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Trickster really hasn't changed that much making him slower would just make him and his rework terrible

FYI you guys caused this decline in the first place since last april. We didnt ask for any of this, YOU did.

The insane crashout over fog-vials and the anti-changes (resulting then to be killed off 2 weeks in)

But defending the most aggrecious killer design in 10 months with no killswitch while the killer was bugged harder and more eggreciously than streetwise ever was.

Is the reason why survivors only tool of defense is : doing gens optimally, switching to killer or playing something else.

Its not just a "survivor mains control the game" last year 90% of the changes we got was mostly killer feedback.

Thats simply the consequence of listening to one side and ignoring the other.

The forums have devolved into pure whataboutism.

Exactly, in DBD the match starts if the player with the slowest connection/hardware loaded in. Which is also why having a very powerful PC with DBD on an SSD might not even matter, since someone else might have a slower connection, so you will not be faster in the matches.

It can however happen that some players can move earlier than others. This is indeed a thing, but the difference is a second at max. Because sometimes you see indeed that another Survivor is already moving or you hear Billys Chainsaw while you are still in the spinning animation at the start of the game. But this is so meaningless that it does not need fixing, OP is straight up exaggerating in what they are explaining.

In skilled hands, he's probably an A. There are Henrys that barely ever miss and they've got Worldbreaker active pretty much constantly.

In my hands? A C, yeah. But he's fun so whatever.

My thoughts exactly.

In the interest of actual discussion, let me give you another perspective.

I'll take you at face value that you both want to improve the game and address core issues.

You claim to want to address these things, and at a surface level you and I both agree that we should address these issues. Ideally at or around the same time.

I'd love to have meaningful discussions about to what degree gen speeds are actually a problem or how we can meaningfully buff trapper without just adding dash slop.

And I'd also have no issue discussing that in context of "and here's the changes to tunneling that would go with that".

Unfortunately, historically what the loudest voices want is the first part (nerf gen speeds), and absolutely will not allow BHVR to address the second part (tunneling). And whenever that has happened in the past, we get direct or indirect buffs that result in making tunneling worse with literally nothing that attempts to address or fix that part of the issue.

And usually, when we start taking about the "fix tunneling part" is where people start to give a huge amount of push back or just throw up their hands and claim it's bias. Or something else to shut down the conversation (usually it's SWF or gen speeds).

So, for context, when @Firellius responded and I gave you solid reasons why tunneling absolutely has to be dealt with in this discussion you shut down instead of engaging. You jumped into "bias" claims instead of giving any kind of actual discussion.

That doesn't feel like you're looking for a solution, it feels like you're joining the loud group that we see a lot here that claim "gens speeds need fixed, but if you expect any tunneling changes I'm out, forget it". Now maybe that's not your stance, and I'm willing to take your word for now that it isn't. But that's likely why you're getting downvoted here.