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I'm glad you admit the folly of your argument.

So, what do I mean by that?

It's really simple. The reason we can't have anything nice, the reason all the new players quit, the reason why "everyone tunnels/everyone is genrushing".

It's us. The "I HAVE to win" mentality, the constant Us VS Them arguments, the sheer, radioactive toxicity oozing out of every interaction between players.

BHVR doesn't help as much as they should. True. But what can you even do with a decrepit cesspit that the DbD community is?

Shouldn't the point of a game be to have fun? To have a break from stress and relax?

Because it was always intended.

Likewise, it's a potential advantage, not a guaranteed one. Most groups goof around.

Consoles have built in voice chat. Discord is also free and included on consoles, so it's hardly a third party application.

It honestly just reads like you've been getting smoked in matches and are venting.

There are people who play games specifically to have a competitive experience, rather than to relax. I like to do both :)

Personally I think DBD is the wrong game to play if you're looking for a competitive experience (there's several popular MOBAs, dozens of fighting games, several RTS with big communities, and a whole bunch of shooters ranging from Battle Royale to Hero Shooters to more standard FPS, all of which are better structured for that kind of thing).

I'd argue it's a clash between people like you and i (who agree DBD should be a more relaxing experience), against people who think the game ought to be treated as competitive, that's causing the problem. We think the game should be treated as casual, so when people hypersweat it annoys us, but those people probably get annoyed that people "aren't taking the game seriously." I also think the "us vs them" point you made also plays a huge part.

Back in my day we only had 1 mode 👴🏼

Tunneling is not required to win.

It is the easiest and most optimal way, sure, but also the most braindead.

Can't believe you're getting downvotes when you're speaking hard facts. I think the problem is that some players don't want the game to simply slowdown, they want it to stop. So they can continue to waste time and play inefficiently, and still have it pay off. You are 100% correct that pressuring survivors slows the game down, and that's how it's intended to work. But you still need to play well to have good results. Sometimes your opponents will play better, and likely they will win as a result. That's PVP for you.

Ive had many matches lately, specifically in the past 2-3 days where there are hackers running rampant its so blatant that in one of my matches at the end a survivor said yeah they were hacking. Anyone else running into this? Should I not play on the steam client or is console pretty rough too?

Most common is just doing the wrong gens, resulting in the equivalent of a 3-gen.