The Nurse is being ignored
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Nurse is not ignored and perhaps is not the spot the devs want she to be but it takes a lot of time to rework a killer, there is already a lot of issues and reworks that devs need to do.
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The Nurse is still playable, you are correct in that. But no one WANTS to play her anymore. They took a very popular killer, and turned her into one that people only use if the have a daily the want to complete.
People play games to have fun, if there is no fun, then that is a wasted character.
The nerfs to the Nurse were fatal. I have played against maybe 2 Nurses since the gutting.
I've played against more Legions then Nurses.
All the people that are happy with the Nurse changes, are mostly survivor mains that couldn't pull the same ole pallet loop defense against her. But most of the people who play the game and are honest know the Nurses changes were too much. And I'll bet the data will show that more will need to be done to swing the balance the other way, if BHVR hopes to have people play this killer again.
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Okay ur first point was to try and justify a basekit nerf by explaining a problem that stemmed from her addons. So why you think you were justifying a nerf to her basekit by explaining an addon problem is beyond my comprehension.
"So you done your calculation, so why don't you calculate how long the chase would be if you land all your hits as Nurse. Also, you are saying it as if the nurse blinks can't catch up with the nurse which is untrue."
She travels 20 meters with the initial blink, 12 with a fully charged chainblink. At best she can travel 32 meters in one burst and then has to wait 6 seconds before being able to move at that speed again. Survivors run at 4.0 meters. In 6 seconds they can cover 24 meters. Against Nurse who runs at 3.85 meters. Survivors gain .15 meters per second. So by 6 seconds they gain over 1 meter on Nurse, this is not at all including her fatigue stun which kicks her movement speed down to almost 0 for survivors to get a free 9 meters on her. When you consider LOS breakers, the fact that Nurse is slowed while charging a blink, and the number of bugs/glitches that turn Nurse into "dead by dedicated servers", the counterplay for Nurse is boiled down to "Hold shift and W. Profit".
"Nurse's power is too weak? Are we speaking about the nurse that can go through walls and ignore all defences that a surivior has? Capable of not only applying fast chase time, but also capable of applying map pressure?"
The same Nurse that moves slower than survivors and needs her power to catch up to them? The same Nurse who has a 6 second cooldown on one power? Separated into one 2.5 second cooldown and one 3.5 second cooldown? Yeah, the very same.
"The reason why people use Spirit is because she is a free, easy win without any challenge. Don't believe me you can just watch Scott jund who made a 2 hours video of him winning constantly as a spirit. He doesn't call himself a skilful nor main spirit which says alot."
So how did she only start dominating red ranks after Nurse, the only other red rank viable killer, was reworked?
"The nurse I play as sometimes with what I seen of good nurse players are disgusting. To say she is unfun I can understand(but she wasn't really that fun in the first place without add on), but to say she can get bullied and is weak. Now you are just over exaggerating or haven't seen the nurse players I been against."
So your examples are the only ones that exist? I've seen dozens of people talk about how easy it is to bully Nurses right now. I've seen tons of people, including myself, who had fun with old Nurse with no addons, and now we're at least heavily considering leaving her because she isn't fun anymore. I have way more examples of people who are not a fan of current Nurse than you have of your own accounts. I'm a rank 4 Nurse. I continue to main her because I love her concept and character, but goddamn she is NOT fun anymore.
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That doesn't mean gut Nurse and move on. They promised us they'd handle her carefully and not nerf anything that was controversial.
As Zuko says in the Last Airbender, "what an amazing lie that was".
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I am not saying that. I had ton of fun playing her, I am just saying that it will take time until she gets "love" again
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They should make her base kit 1 blink only while moving at 110 or 115 MS speed.
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The changes just came out not too long ago. They've already got other plans for other killers. You guys need to learn the art of patience.
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Lol. How long has it been since Legion has his balls kicked into his throat so he choked on them? What? He STILL sucks eggs & is even being nerfed more recently?
Expect twice that time for Nurse to stay garbage.
This game is Survivor-biased in a big way, and don't let Survivor mains tell you otherwise.
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Just be patient....3 years later they'll do the 3rd major nerf and make her have only 1 blink.
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She literally just got nerfed in the last major uodate. How is she being ignored?
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Lmao with the leak info about the legion get another nerf i wouldn't even be surprised if they did that 🤣🤣.
I dont know what going happened to this game but its not look good.
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I meant ignored by the devs, she got nerfed and they never said anything else about her.
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It hasn't even been a month yet. Let them take a few weeks to gather data on how she performs.
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Dont ask for any more nurse changes. if you do...
well... you know what is going to happen to a certain killer....
just take the nerf before she gets nerfed again...
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@Outland But why should they care?
How did they handle the feedback that was here on the forums? They ignored it.
I don't feel there was care or whatever when devs tell you that "great mindgame potential" is 115% on a 60s timer, just shows how little they understood the entire interaction of killer and survivor regarding nurse. Neither did they fix the bugs when charging blinks and it sounds like she is having a stroke...
Sorry I doubt they care, spirit is next (i never really played spirit as to me she is boring and unappealing) and meanwhile SWF is just goofing around with friends. Remind me again why were nurse changes needed? Oh yeah right because of a very small percentage of all people and not the majority of people that just sucked with her. Yet somehow the very same concept is ignored when it comes to other aspects of the game like SWF. Where the excuse is well most just goof around ...
Yeah but check how long nurse is a killer in this game and how long some people play her compared to legion.
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I do not think that you actualy main'd her, like, you were good with her you should be good still. If you think that dominating the match is fun is completely wrong. What I want to say is: you think that something is bad if it don't is unbalenced
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Finaly someone with more than 2 braincells
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I agree with you, it does appear BHVR give zero F's to the feedback supplied by their userbase. They seem to only go with what HARD DATA their reports show them. Only this time I do believe that their data will show a major decrease in Nurse matches because all they managed to do with her changes was make a truly unfun and frustrating Killer.
She won't be over performing now, because she'll barely see any matches.
Anyways, hey its their game to F up i guess.
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tbh I think most of the ppl who say that "Nurse is way slower bc you need to use 1-blink only for map pressure" just don't want to adapt and feel they need to always have 2 blinks to pick-off mispositioned survivors.
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I'm a nurse main too. And the nerf was definitly a huge nerf, but she's still the best, i can agree on that.
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enlighten me on how a killer is still the best when the counterplay to Them is to hold W and shift
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CD addons. Simple as that.
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So you need a yellow and green add-on to not get countered by survivors who run in a straight line. Seems right ...
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You said she's not the best anymore. You don't said she's not the best without addons anymore.
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Explain how the changes too a massive changing because she still ignore loops and the only disadvantage I can think about is the few seconds cool down when using her power.
Also, what was fun about the old nurse that isn't for the new one?
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I don't need to explain how the changes were so massive. The proof is this.
Almost no one wants to play the Nurse now, the sheer drop in trails with a Nurse should show you that they turned that particular Killer into one people only use when they have a daily to do.
Like I said the Killer is still viable to play, but the fun factor has been removed and no one is willing to waste their available play time on a Killer that fails to deliver any enjoyment.
So yeah you are right the changes may have been minimal, but the impact they have, tanked this particular Killer.
Killers do not like spending the majority of the time recovering from blink stuns to have to wait some more to get their required mode of mobility back.
Basically the amount of time a Nurse spends in a trial just waiting for negative effects to right themselves is just nuts.
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First off, if you read my first paragraph I was talking about the nurse and everything she has, not a base kit.
Secondly, why would the nurse chase after the surivior without her blink? Also, you forgot to include that the best kit nurse with one blink is capable of cover 13.34 m/s. So regardless of what you say, she is capable of catching up with a surivior even if the surivior has an head start and knows the exact location of the killer.
I'm sorry but to use the dedicated servers as an excuse for the nurse isn't valid because it has also affect the suriviors when killers use there lunge attack which looks like it shouldn't have hit.
Thirdly, so the nurse that is capable of ignoring all defences a surivior has and is always capable of catching up on them is weak? The nurse that even without add on is still capable of winning games consistently?
Fourthly, like I said, spirit is much more easier to use and requires less skill to an games unlike other killers. What's the point using killers that are harder to use and takes alot of time to learn, when you have a killer that can offer a free win?
Don't expect you to watch it. Just there to show you how easy it is.
Dozens of people that talk about her but have never shown evidence of being good at her in the first place? In that case, then anything a surivior ask for, for a nerf or change should be done because they have an higher fandom than killers. However, as you can see from the forum not everything a surivior demands is done.
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You are saying it as if millions of people were even good while playing with her.
Once again, she kept her function of using her power just more drawbacks.
Once again, I said nurse isn't a fun much of an enjoyable killer and is from it if you read through my previous argument. It's clear that you responding means you highlighted one of the arguments I was in, but never bothered reading through it.
I also mention what you said about the duration not being fun and that is very understandable. However, you must understand that the devs are thinking of methods to make harder to learn, but enjoyable to to play once fully understand. This is to keep the surivior mains to stop making constant reports about a killer.
If that's you conclusion, then fair enough. I'm just here to be reasonable (somewhat). If you and many people do think it has a big impact and deed her as unfun then I can't what's fun for you and what isn't.
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First of all the video you linked with Nurse literally states that if a Survivor notices you blinking directly at them, that hit is not possible, meaning you can get ran for the length of the Thompson house without concern from survivors bc you just wont catch them. So that video hurts you more than helps ur BS case that Nurse is still this S+++++++ killer.
You aren’t at all being reasonable. The point of this rework as the devs said is to make her more fair. But she *ISNT MORE FAIR*. She’s unfair, except now it’s unfair to play as her, not against her.
Nobody wants to play Nurse, she has disappeared from the red ranks where all the meta slaves live and the silence on her from the devs is very VERY telling. Clearly they are proud of this rework despite it being a lazy mess of nerfs and half baked reworks. From the people who brought us the Freddy rework, this is ######### shameful and I’m insulted that they think this is good.
She isn’t fun, she’s fallen out of red rank viability, and her counterplay is literally run in a straight line like a rank 20. She’s no fun and she’s no good.
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I don't know if the link I sent you is the same as the one it is now. But if it is then the video just proves that the nurse is capable of catching up to any surivior regardless of how far they are. So the point of a surivior simply running in a straight line isn't valid. A surivior can run in a straight line against any killer and still make a far enough distance to make it to another loop.
She is unfun, but she isn't weak and her counter play isn't running in a straight line.
The surivior would have already been in a far enough distance to where the nurse would have to used alot of blinks. Just like every other killer trying to catch up to a surivior in a chase. For example, each blink the nurse has can cover 13.33 m/s, but the trapper moves at 4.5m/s. Obviosuly including the fatigue and e.t.c she would still be going around the same speed rate as the trapper when using no add on. So once again, she would still be moving faster than a surivior with her blink.
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Play base nurse against good survivors on rotten fields. Then tell me she's viable without addons still. If you keep thinking that.
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So if I'm playing against good surivior then why can't i use add ons? So they can bring items and e.t.c while I'm just here running no add on?
I mean I don't mind doing that, but I don't get the point of you speaking of "good surivior " as if I can't just be a "good killer " and not miss all my shots. This isn't me necessarily saying it is "easy" but if you are good at aiming then I don't see much of a challenge here other then me missing my hits. It doesn't mean I'm saying she is fun, I'm just here to say she isnt weak as everyone make her seem as if.
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Nurse was very easy to play. Took me less than 10 hours with her to get 4ks in red ranks. The new nurse requires actual skill, and while I wont say she is fun because that is totally player dependant, she is strong and balanced, being the best killer in game if the person using her has mastered her ability
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Nah, they took Legion and curb stomped him with this update.
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Without addons, because you keep claiming she's still viable on the highest level without addons.
The problem is not her chase potential. She lacks massive map pressure without CD or range addons. And range addons give you a worse chase potential. So you go with CD addons, then she's still viable.
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You'll notice that whenever a survivor main makes a thread to complain, Peanits will be in there swiftly to interact with them and listen. Any thread like this, aimed at discussing problems we have with killers? Completely ignored, they simply don't care.
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She is viable because she still has the power to end chases faster. The only problem is how patient a killer has to be while using her. For the map pressure, I don't think it's a big deal because even though she can cover less map pressure she did before, she can still get to areas very fast. If you saw the link I sent of a guy testing her teleportation distance. She can still get around the map well and catch up to any surivior.
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Nurse has disappeared from red ranks because all the previous nurse players who were used to an overpowered, overtuned killer feel jilted even though she is still the best, possibly second best killer. If this cooldown is all it takes to make the nurse go from super fun to super boring, it sounds to me like you are not being truthful to yourselves. She isn't overtuned anymore. And that's why all those previous nurses aren't using her.
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As somebody who plays 50/50, I can tell you Nurse only ends chases as fast as you're implying if she is MILES better than survivors in terms of skill. If she is Miles ahead of survivors in skill. Then no, those survivors should not be escaping, at all. You face down someone leagues better than you, do not expect to win. And if you do expect to win, you are very entitled. As a survivor who also plays a lot of Nurse, I can tell you it is far easier to play against her now than it is to play against any other killer.
One juke against Huntress? Hag? Spirit? Billy? Myers? Plague? They stick on you. One juke against Nurse? Nope. She's peaceing out.
You keep arguing that patience is now the way to play Nurse. That is bad. Base Nurse already required patience. You are patient with ur blinks? You land on the survivor and hit them. You aren't? You miss and go through fatigue. This whole line of "The only problem is how patient a killer has to be while using her" is just a bunch of equivocating bullshit.
You strike me as somebody who doesn't play Nurse, at all. If she's such a great killer still, like you argue she is, why has she just up and Houdini'd her way out of red ranks. She borderline does not exist up here.
You strike me as somebody who doesn't understand that a 6 second cooldown to a power, divided into one 2.5 second cooldown and another 3.5 second cooldown, isn't fun or fair. Especially when that power is necessary for basic killer functions. Imagine if Clown or Legion needed to use their powers otherwise they're slower than survivors. Imagine if Huntress moved at 90% MS and needed her hatchets to down survivors. Would you still argue that those killers are still good? I don't think you would. She's out of red ranks where the metaslaves sit. Metaslaves don't main a killer bc they're fun, they main them bc they're good.
And by all means if you think Nurse is still the best killer in the game, please prove me wrong. Post a video of you grinding Nurse to R1 in one sitting. Prove to me that she's still the best. My guess is you'll realize how wrong you are once you leave rank 9.
Yeha no. That is just a lie. Unless you had Omegablink or 3/4/5 Blink, you did not steamroll red rank survivors with only 10 hours of practice.
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Explain how someone can out play the a nurse player who is very experience and skilled? You talk about a surivior can rscspr from her, but never explain how exactly.
Of course it's easier to face nurse players because how many of them are good compared to those just doing dailies or are bad?
Huntress would have to go to a locker and grab new hatchet. This gives suriviors time to escape, otherwise Huntress will become an easy loop able killer.
Hag would have to waste time placing down traps which give suriviors time to escape. A surivior can also use items such as a flash light to disable it.
Myers would have to fully stalk you and that itself takes a long time which commonly result in 3 gens being done depending on the team.
Hilbilly's attack can be dodge (like every killer) and result in the killer haven't to waste time recovering for there punishment on missing there chainsaw.
You can juke a spirit, so does that mean she is weak killer?
Old base nurse hardly required patient. Her fatigue is normal compared to other killers. Obviously the new one is more longer and unfun (she wasn't really that fun to begin with). But she isn't weak.
So a killer going into fatigue isn't a good thing? So a killer should have access to spam there attacks?
She still does exist in red ranks, so what are you talking about? There is now 14 killers and you expect one of the hardest killer to learn to appear frequently?
I dont think you are that good with nurse or have seen good nurse players if you are saying that.
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She wasn't easy to begin with, why make her not only weaker, but also even harder? No-one plays her means she's balanced, because all 5 nurse players have a 50/50 result on her.
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Ok, I have lost my place in this discussion because OP called me a liar. Bye Guys
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Myers, Huntress, Demogorgon, and Hag are all excellent killers. Just because you don't play against them often doesn't mean they're bad. I get Myers like every other match.
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I dunno, I just started using the Nurse. She has a learning curve for sure (especially on console), but she's great.
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If you think so...
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You guys don't understand!
You have to be patient with your blinks and that lets you end chases faster!
(######### DOES THAT MEAN O_O)
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Hate to interrupt this back and forth but has anyone played Nurse in the PTB?
They made changes to how her blink movement interacts with the server.
From my experience the blink movement animation is missing. It looks like you blink in place then instantly pop to where you would of landed normally.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Lol you really think they ain't bad? Have fun with 4 spine chills with Myers.
Huntress is barely played same as the others. Myers is just rare.
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People still crying about the nurse nerfs? Lmao
She's still the strongest killer in the game and so much more fun to play with the new addons, and that's a fact. The only real nerf here is that she's gone down from being the best killer by far to being the best killer with Spirit in a somewhat close 2nd.
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