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the hatch standoff has to go

dannyfrog87
dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568
edited July 2018 in General Discussions

its about time the devs do something about it. so going for the evil incarnate achievement on grim pantry managed to farm enough evil one gen left. kill all 3 but the obsession its basically a standoff i walk away a few times come back. they take the hatch because amazing free wins and get out of jail free cards. ♥♥♥♥ing ridiculous

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  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    @Lowbei said:
    cool story

    if you have nothing constructive to say besides "cool story" say nothing at all.

  • DraconDirnc
    DraconDirnc Member Posts: 121

    The only advice I can give is run Judith's Tombstone so you get evil 3 permanently. You can then one shot them before they can get in the hatch. This however will not fully solve the hatch standoff. I personally don't need 4 kills every match. I will gladly let one escape if they did the job well and stayed hidden. I wish you luck on your achievement.

  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568
    edited July 2018

    @Lowbei said:
    dannyfrog87 said:

    @Lowbei said:

    cool story

    if you have nothing constructive to say besides "cool story" say nothing at all.

    you seem salty

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring

  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    @DraconDirnc said:
    The only advice I can give is run Judith's Tombstone so you get evil 3 permanently. You can then one shot them before they can get in the hatch. This however will not fully solve the hatch standoff. I personally don't need 4 kills every match. I will gladly let one escape if they did the job well and stayed hidden. I wish you luck on your achievement.

    i know that easier said than done il try it on auto haven wreckers with a key a map small enough to farm enough evil. well cant one shot them when im in perma ew3 and they know im going to kill them lol. so they wait till i leave. doesnt solve the issue lets hope i can apply enough map pressure

  • DraconDirnc
    DraconDirnc Member Posts: 121

    I wish you the best of luck.

  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    @DraconDirnc said:
    I wish you the best of luck.

    thanks il probably need it lol

  • DraconDirnc
    DraconDirnc Member Posts: 121

    I think they need to add the hatch closing mechanic last ptb mechanic seemed rather fair close the hatch all gens powered. That is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like.

  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    @DraconDirnc said:
    I think they need to add the hatch closing mechanic last ptb mechanic seemed rather fair close the hatch all gens powered. That is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like.

    yeah they do a guy i played against i was lf in the ptb he managed to do a gen till i eventually found him but i lost him a few times. id say just remove the damn hatch but they wont do that lol

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 

    how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

    if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

    the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

  • Volfawott
    Volfawott Member Posts: 3,893
    dannyfrog87 said:

    its about time the devs do something about it. so going for the evil incarnate achievement on grim pantry managed to farm enough evil one gen left. kill all 3 but the obsession its basically a standoff i walk away a few times come back. they take the hatch because amazing free wins and get out of jail free cards. ♥♥♥♥ing ridiculous

    All around me are familiar faces
    Worn out places, worn out faces
    Bright and early for their daily races
    Going nowhere, going nowhere
  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 

    how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

    if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

    the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 

    how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

    if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

    the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 

    and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.

    but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.

    the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 

    how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

    if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

    the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 

    and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.

    but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.

    the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another

    At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn. 
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    edited July 2018
    You are not entitled to get anything else then salt. The killer have the chance to get his prey before he found hatch. That’s it. Kappa
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 



how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 

    and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.

    but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.

    the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another

    At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn. 

    and thats exactly why the hatch stand off has failed as a mechanic and needs to be fixed.

  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Yes I think so too. Killer shouldn’t be able to catch a jumping in survivor, so he gonna Hunt him before he find hatch. 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @KingArthanal said:
    Yes I think so too. Killer shouldn’t be able to catch a jumping in survivor, so he gonna Hunt him before he find hatch. 

    who should have the leeway im not really interested in, i just think that they should remove the possibility of the hatch stand off entirely.

    if the survivor finds the hatch first, great he can jump in. if the killer does, great, he can close it down.

    i feel like this is the most fair.

    the whole idea of "the most stubborn person wins" isnt even true for the hatch stand off as its the survivor that holds all the cards. the killer cant hit the survivor when he's protecting the hatch as they can just run through him and jump in. if the killer is meant to go for the survivor, then the survivor has to actively go for generators and be away from the hatch.

    the killer does not have the opportunity to kill all survivors if the survivor dont go away from the hatch, thats why i believe simply being able to close the hatch is most fair. if the hatch is closed, they can still get out with generators.

    killers are not entitled to a 4k, and survivors are not entitled to avoid everyone dying either. being able to close the hatch, is fair to all.

    as it was already in the pre patch but was taken out, i still fail to see why they did that. having a mechanic that removes the hatch stand off to begin with, sounds a lot better than having a mechanic that can essentially extend a game indefinitly untill the survivor leaves the hatch or killer hits the survivor and lets him live.

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. 



how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?

if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.

the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 

    and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.

    but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.

    the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another

    At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn. 

    and thats exactly why the hatch stand off has failed as a mechanic and needs to be fixed.

    No the mechanic hasn't failed. The players have. If the survivor gets their first he should leave. If the killer gets there first, well he should patrol around for the survivor. If he camps the survivor should do gens. If he leaves the hatch then the survivor has a chance to escape thru it. 

    It's stupid for both parties to just stand hatch. BUT being able to close the hatch and then go find the survivor on a gen is just a free kill. 
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said: You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement.  how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him? if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators. the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.

    It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. 



and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.

but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.

the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another

    At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn. 

    and thats exactly why the hatch stand off has failed as a mechanic and needs to be fixed.

    No the mechanic hasn't failed. The players have. If the survivor gets their first he should leave. If the killer gets there first, well he should patrol around for the survivor. If he camps the survivor should do gens. If he leaves the hatch then the survivor has a chance to escape thru it. 

    It's stupid for both parties to just stand hatch. BUT being able to close the hatch and then go find the survivor on a gen is just a free kill. 

    First of all what you say makes ZERO sense. you say the survivor gets there first he should leave? great. thats not a hatch stand off. the hatch stand off happens because the KILLER gets there first and stands on the hatch. and the survivor comes some time later and they look in to each others eyes. thats a hatch stand off. how would the stand off happen if the survivor got there first? he would just jump in.

    given the speed boost you get as survivor when you are hit, you need to be pretty ######### far away from the hatch for it to be beneficial to the killer to hit the survivor.

    And why is it a free kill? if the hatch is closed off, then its like playing the game normally as a survivor. one person can still hide, and still do the last generators. its vastly harder to find one person than it is to find 3. and if the survivors were smart they didnt repair generators so the last generators are next to one another.

    do you really have to little faith in your survivor skills that you cant hide from the killer when you're alone?

    IF a mechanic forces you to LET GO of survivors, when its your objective to kill them, then yes it has failed.

    Killers cant block the exits, they are too wide, the survivors are meant to simply run out.

    the hatch he can block, yet he cant win by standing there.

    thats why the mechanic fails, because the survivor has all the cards, and the situation isnt fair. The survivor can do the remaining generators or he can wait to be hit once, or wait for the killer to go away. The survivor holds the cards here, he has the opportunity to move things, and still get out alive. if the KILLER starts making a move, he will lose. he can only react to the survivor going away if he wants to be successful, he cannot be the first to make the move.

    the hatch should be able to be closed.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @KingArthanal said:
    And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.

    if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can now.

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Then the killer should just hit him and move on. NOT entitled to a 4K
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:
    And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.

    if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can 


    Survivor can jump in during close hatch?

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @chemical_reject said:
    Then the killer should just hit him and move on. NOT entitled to a 4K

    You're not very smart are you.

    what part of do the last generators even if its just 1 generator, somehow means you will INSTANTLY LOSE the battle?

    did i say i was entitled to a 4k? if survivors do the generators, they get out. if the hatch gets closed in the end, you can STILL get out alive. what part of YOU being able to get out alive, screams "4k entitlement" to you?

    you had an EXTRA opportunity to get out because you were the last survivor. you didnt find the hatch in time, now its closed. its not like the exit gates are powered off and you cant do your job as survivor and get out the normal way.

    YOU are not entitled to survive but you make it out to be like you are.

    if i need to move away and let him through, then the mechanic fails. because it forces the killer to go against his objective, which is to kill. thats logic. if you dont see it, then there is no helping you.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @KingArthanal said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:

    And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.

    if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can 

    Survivor can jump in during close hatch?

    i have no idea. im imagining it like the generators. you cant damage generators as a killer when a survivor repairs them. so im guessing while the survivor is doing the jumping in through the hatch, the killer cant close the hatch. but then again, you have no need to close it, during that time as you just grab them in the air, which is possible. if you're afraid of DS you can drop them again, close hatch, and pick up.

  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.
  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    Then the killer should just hit him and move on. NOT entitled to a 4K

    You're not very smart are you.

    what part of do the last generators even if its just 1 generator, somehow means you will INSTANTLY LOSE the battle?

    did i say i was entitled to a 4k? if survivors do the generators, they get out. if the hatch gets closed in the end, you can STILL get out alive. what part of YOU being able to get out alive, screams "4k entitlement" to you?

    you had an EXTRA opportunity to get out because you were the last survivor. you didnt find the hatch in time, now its closed. its not like the exit gates are powered off and you cant do your job as survivor and get out the normal way.

    YOU are not entitled to survive but you make it out to be like you are.

    if i need to move away and let him through, then the mechanic fails. because it forces the killer to go against his objective, which is to kill. thats logic. if you dont see it, then there is no helping you.

    Exactly but being unable to find the survivor before he finds the hatch doesn't mean u get the last kill. Maybe that lone survivor had a crap team he played his best game ever by doing the 2 gens to get the hatch spawned. He DOES deserve that last chance escape. 
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:

    And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.

    if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can 

    Survivor can jump in during close hatch?

    i have no idea. im imagining it like the generators. you cant damage generators as a killer when a survivor repairs them. so im guessing while the survivor is doing the jumping in through the hatch, the killer cant close the hatch. but then again, you have no need to close it, during that time as you just grab them in the air, which is possible. if you're afraid of DS you can drop them again, close hatch, and pick up.

    You should add also 100k blood points for doing so and free ice cream.
  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    @Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlement 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @KingArthanal said:
    Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.

    you dont solve the situation if you CANT grab the survivors. and i did answer your question.

    if i cant grab a survivor, nothing stops me from remaining stationary on the hatch. the hatch stand off has thus commenced.

    and what part of closing the hatch is unfair? its an extra way to get out. an EXTRA way, not the only way.

    survivors needs to accept that if you have a bad team, you lose. if you only got 3 generators done? too bad. you lost. get over it. that is, if the hatch is closed of course and the last survivor fails to do the last 2 generators.

    if they find the hatch first, great, jump out. but the killer should be able to close it, otherwise there's gonna be a hatch stand off. and those are a waste of time.

    it takes 80 sec to do a generator, but its different from game to game how much repair time is remaining on the last generator they need before they all got killed. or if theres even 1 generator left only.

    have you ever heard about baiting? if you do a generator, purposefully fails a check so it notifies the killer, while the survivor then walks to the hatch, then the killer is off. the MOMENT he walks away form the hatch to patrol generators, the survivor can jump in.

    have you actually ever been in a hatch stand off or are you imagining how it goes down? because i have, and they're a pain to be in as a killer due to the fact i can only ever react. survivors rarely walk away from the hatch, sometimes they pretend that they're going to do generators when they are really just hiding behind a tree or something else. they dont want to do generators, they wait for the hatch to be clear. thats why its dumb. they have a way out other than the hatch, and now we're standing here like morons. because they know i cant walk away too far from it, unless i want to let the last guy go. i wont let him go, if i can avoid it. and im sure survivors dont want to be killed either, but thats why they can still do generators.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    @Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlement 

    my vibe screams fairness. your vibe screams: I need at least 5 different ways of exiting including a helicopter that flies over and picks me up, in order to survive.

    the whole aspect of this being a team game as survivor is just lost on you. why not just accept that your team messed up and now you are alone?

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    @Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlement 

    my vibe screams fairness. your vibe screams: I need at least 5 different ways of exiting including a helicopter that flies over and picks me up, in order to survive.

    the whole aspect of this being a team game as survivor is just lost on you. why not just accept that your team messed up and now you are alone?

    No. I don't mind not escaping if I was able to have a fun, lengthy match and get some blood points. Why u on the other hand rage about hatch stand offs cuz u feel entitled to that last kill instead of just letting it go and starting a new match 
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    edited July 2018
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:
    Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.

    you dont solve the situation if you CANT grab the survivors. and i did answer your question.

    if i cant grab a survivor, nothing stops me from remaining stationary on the hatch. the hatch stand off has thus commenced.

    and what part of closing the hatch is unfair? its an extra way to get out. an EXTRA way, not the only way.

    survivors needs to accept that if you have a bad team, you lose. if you only got 3 generators done? too bad. you lost. get over it. that is, if the hatch is closed of course.

    if they find the hatch first, great, jump out. but the killer should be able to close it, otherwise there's gonna be a hatch stand off. and those are a waste of time.

    it takes 80 sec to do a generator, but its different from game to game how much repair time is remaining on the last generator they need before they all got killed. or if theres even 1 generator left only.

    have you ever heard about baiting? if you do a generator, purposefully fails a check so it notifies the killer, while the survivor then walks to the hatch, then the killer is off. the MOMENT he walks away form the hatch to patrol generators, the survivor can jump in.

    have you actually ever been in a hatch stand off or are you imagining how it goes down? because i have, and they're a pain to be in as a killer due to the fact i can only ever react.

    You are not entilted to a free kill. As long you just want a killer sided hatch you gonna get nothing and it will stay the same. If a survivors does well he’s entitled to get through hatch. You had enough chances to get survivor before he’s going to hatch. You could ensure they couldn’t do 2 gens or find him before he find hatch. Compared to killer the survivor couldn’t do any single mistake on his way repairing gens or doing hatch because he just die then. And why should survivor walk to closed hatch when survivor fail skill check on gen? It’s already closed. Only solution is to make killer not grabbing survivor anymore. Deal with it and don’t try to make any suggestions for free kills.
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    @Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlement 

    my vibe screams fairness. your vibe screams: I need at least 5 different ways of exiting including a helicopter that flies over and picks me up, in order to survive.

    the whole aspect of this being a team game as survivor is just lost on you. why not just accept that your team messed up and now you are alone?

    No. I don't mind not escaping if I was able to have a fun, lengthy match and get some blood points. Why u on the other hand rage about hatch stand offs cuz u feel entitled to that last kill instead of just letting it go and starting a new match 

    no i "rage" because the hatch stand off is a failed mechanic that shouldnt be allowed to exist. its a WASTE of time. ive seen a stream of a hatch stand off lasting over 30 minutes. my own longest one took 13 minutes.

    the fact you assume im raging when im bringing arguments to this case, and the fact you cant even finish your words and have to write "cuz" means this discussion is over. you bring nothing valid at all, except "4k entitlement" and you believing that being alone means you instantly lose the game.

    i will not let you go, survivor main, because my objective is to kill you. do you follow me so far? good. if the hatch makes it more beneficial for me to let you go, and it does because otherwise i waste time, then its a failed mechanic. if a mechanic forces you to do something thats against your objective, then it fails.

    thats logic. do you understand that little fact?

    do you also understand that you can STILL get out, if you dont go through the hatch? that if the hatch is closed off, then that EXTRA way you were given, for free, isnt the only way out?

    YOU, the survivor, holds all the cards in this hatch stand off. the killer does not.

    do your generators if the hatch is closed.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @KingArthanal said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @KingArthanal said:

    Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.

    you dont solve the situation if you CANT grab the survivors. and i did answer your question.

    if i cant grab a survivor, nothing stops me from remaining stationary on the hatch. the hatch stand off has thus commenced.

    and what part of closing the hatch is unfair? its an extra way to get out. an EXTRA way, not the only way.

    survivors needs to accept that if you have a bad team, you lose. if you only got 3 generators done? too bad. you lost. get over it. that is, if the hatch is closed of course.

    if they find the hatch first, great, jump out. but the killer should be able to close it, otherwise there's gonna be a hatch stand off. and those are a waste of time.

    it takes 80 sec to do a generator, but its different from game to game how much repair time is remaining on the last generator they need before they all got killed. or if theres even 1 generator left only.

    have you ever heard about baiting? if you do a generator, purposefully fails a check so it notifies the killer, while the survivor then walks to the hatch, then the killer is off. the MOMENT he walks away form the hatch to patrol generators, the survivor can jump in.

    have you actually ever been in a hatch stand off or are you imagining how it goes down? because i have, and they're a pain to be in as a killer due to the fact i can only ever react.

    You are not entilted to a free kill. As long you just want a killer sided hatch you gonna get nothing and it will stay the same. If a survivors does well he’s entitled to get through hatch. You had enough chances to get survivor before he’s going to hatch. You could ensure they couldn’t do 2 gens or find him before he find hatch. Compared to killer the survivor couldn’t do any single mistake on his way repairing gens or doing hatch because he just die then. And why should survivor walk to closed hatch when survivor fail skill check on gen? It’s already closed. Only solution is to make killer not grabbing survivor anymore. Deal with it and don’t try to make any suggestions for free kills.

    its not a free kill if he can still get out. what part of that dont you guys understand? and how is it killer sided that he gets an extra way out for free that he didnt even have to work for? by all means the last survivor could sit crying in a corner and still be allowed to leave.

    he can still get out, thats not a free kill entitlement. and this "entitlement" talk has to stop. no ones entitled to anything. im not entitled to 4k, and you are not entitled to a free escape.

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Lmao welcome to the Internet hunny. Land of shorted words. Ur raging cuz u got outplayed and couldn't get ur little 4k. The conversation was over when u started REEEeEEeEEEeeEeeing and posting little novellas. Maybe u should log out of the forum and practice. Then the hatch stand off might not trigger u so much. 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"

    when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.

    The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.

    so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.

    they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.

    but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.

    good day people.

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"

    when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.

    The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.

    so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.

    they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.

    but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.

    good day people.

    It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Killer are not weak, they only are too bad. Killer needs a higher skill cap and most killer doesn’t fulfill this. Thats why this killer sided discussion still exist. I could get 95% of 4K games end before even a hatch standoff started. If I down 1 of the last 2 survivor with whisper I have 300 sec too search for the other survivor if he’s not already close to other survivor. Even when I fail too find him within 300 sec and that would be really bad. I still have the chance to find him before he find hatch. Often I already know where hatch is and can patrol route to it per whisper. I see the survivor in the disadvantage here and I say this as main killer. Be happy that you’re even able to grab him at hatch when you failed this hard. In my opinion their shouldn’t be any hatch grab. This just empower noobs more. If I fail i gonna let the survivor escape free as long he’s not a #########. Git gud god damn and stop crying it’s annoying. Read some guides about it.

    you can’t do any single gen with a patrolling killer so it’s a free kill for him. When will you understand this.
  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    „Goodbye“ just show you was wrong with your childish attitude
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"

    when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.

    The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.

    so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.

    they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.

    but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.

    good day people.

    It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....

    no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425

    @KingArthanal said:
    Killer are not weak, they only are too bad. Killer needs a higher skill cap and most killer doesn’t fulfill this. Thats why this killer sided discussion still exist. I could get 95% of 4K games end before even a hatch standoff started. If I down 1 of the last 2 survivor with whisper I have 300 sec too search for the other survivor if he’s not already close to other survivor. Even when I fail too find him within 300 sec and that would be really bad. I still have the chance to find him before he find hatch. Often I already know where hatch is and can patrol route to it per whisper. I see the survivor in the disadvantage here and I say this as main killer. Be happy that you’re even able to grab him at hatch when you failed this hard. In my opinion their shouldn’t be any hatch grab. This just empower noobs more. If I fail i gonna let the survivor escape free as long he’s not a #########. Git gud god damn and stop crying it’s annoying. Read some guides about it.

    you can’t do any single gen with a patrolling killer so it’s a free kill for him. When will you understand this.

    you can if the killer has to cover a hatch also.

    ive been in hatch stand offs on both sides, its very possible. the killer aint moving too far from the hatch.

  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    You said to me the hatch is closed after killer found it, so why should he still camp it when it only open after doing gen?
  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"

    when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.

    The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.

    so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.

    they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.

    but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.

    good day people.

    It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....

    no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.

    What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty. 
  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @KingArthanal said:
    You said to me the hatch is closed after killer found it, so why should he still camp it when it only open after doing gen?

    i didnt know you meant after it was closed. if you wrote it then i admit i didnt read most of what you wrote.

    IF the hatch is closed yes he patrols generators.

    that doesnt mean you instantly lose. it means you play it stealthily, more stealthily than ever and if not you lose.

    but if thats a hard pill to swallow for survivors, then lets just do it so the killer cant stand on the hatch or walk over it. like it was a physical thing. that way the stand off is also canceled and everyones seemingly happy.

  • Beardedragon
    Beardedragon Member Posts: 425
    edited July 2018

    @chemical_reject said:
    Beardedragon said:

    @chemical_reject said:

    Beardedragon said:

    Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"

when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.

The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.

so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.

they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.

but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.

good day people.

    It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....

    no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.

    What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty. 

    me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.

  • KingArthanal
    KingArthanal Member Posts: 91
    Yes but why you say you can still win the game after killer found hatch? He close it and you can only open with doing a gen. Wasn’t that your words?