We need to stop lying to ourselves. Nurse deserved every nerf she got.
She had it coming for years. She broke the game and was left a monstrosity for that entire time. There was NOTHING you could do to counter a Nurse player that knew what they were doing before the nerf.
Looping? Ineffective against a Nurse that knows how to counter jukes.
Stealth? Good luck with that considering every new release adds more and more perks to make it harder for survivors to hide.
Gen Rushing? Didn't work against a character that can zoom across the map at mach 5 every few seconds.
Even if you managed to juke her it didn't matter. Her blink would recharge and she would close that distance again. There has never been a killer as powerful as her and I'm glad she's been changed.
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Not really, she didn't deserve that basekit nerf, the addons yes, But behavior Did lie to us bout it, and besides, Nurse is not fine to me at all, it punishes the new players that don't know how to use her blink properly, Not fun imo..
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She broke the game? Nurse has been nurse forever and the game grew quite a bit over that time. Maybe she needed some adjustments (I don't think so but maybe) But to just go from OP to worthless? Seems a bit excessive to me.
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And as the game grew she was still broken.
Able to teleport below and above floors, able to avoid collision with pretty much every object in the game, able to reach long distances with a penalty of basically 0. She was broken.
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Definitely deserved nerfs but the basekit nerf feels just slightly over the top. However it definitely isn't something that cripples her Nurse is still a strong killer.
imo the first blink shouldn't have a CD because in some situations you can literally just run forward and she can't catch you unless she has specific addons.
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Before the CD her "cooldown" where she would have an asthma attack didn't matter. She would just close the distance with another 2-5 blinks anyway.
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I know how Nurse worked prior I played her quite a bit although I never used addons on her because all her addons were broken.
Just can't stand playing Nurse now because she feels meh without addons. She isn't weak by any means I just don't find the killer fun to play personally.
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I used to main Legion before their nerf so I know how you feel. It'll just take time to adjust.
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Changed. One thing Is change and other kill. They killed her no one plays nurse because Is unfun u have to run stupid strong addons to Make her playable.
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I can just laugh about bad survivors such as you. Nurse in basekit was the perfect killer and had the most fun game for everyone killer and survivor. It required skill on both sides and nothing more.
You traded nurse vs fun things such as spirit, which according to other bad players has 0 counterplay. Forever freddy :=)
Yeah thanks to people such as you, i have less variety in red ranks, less fun overall and more boring games than ever. Maybe it is time to adapt a growth mentality you know? But that is too hard for the majority of entitled kids.
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I would MUCH rather go against a spirit than a pre-nerf Nurse in red ranks.
Less variety in red ranks? are you ######### kidding me? Nurse/Hillbilly/Spirit were the only things I have ever seen there. At least now we have more killers that are pretty okay and perks that have gotten buffed that directly make other killers more efficient.
Of course it required skill too. But JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GOOD AT NURSE DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BREAK THE FUNCTIONS OF THE GAME.
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I don't believe in nerfing things that require a high amount of skill. And nurse is easily one of the hardest killers to play mechanically outside of maybe hillbilly.
A godlike player with a nurse will dominate....
But if you have so much as an ounce of suck in you, nurse will get embarrassed all game long.
The rest of the killers do not require many brain points to control, nor thought, nor guesswork.
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Thats demonstrably false. Making a mistake on old nurse was 10 times more punishing than missing a swing on say a wraith....or literally every other killer in the game.
If you miss and get stunned on nurse the window of opportunity for the survivor to grab enough distance and juke you again is huge, and can only be made up for by getting the next blink right, if you screw it up its GG. I've gone up against many a "noob" nurse player as survivor....and I suck at survivor btw, but its so easy to juke and embarrass low skill level nurse players it should be reportable as abuse....
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This is just a well of ignorance...imagine adding a cooldown that a killer uses to..oh I dunno..move..? Not just chase..move..her play quality is horrible..cant really enjoy her new addons to play around with very much thanks to the cd on the blinks , and honestly it shows the utter lack of faith in survivors supposed skills that people actually appreciate getting chase time given to you without earning it...as a survivor its degrading to what they seem to think I'm capable of..as a killer its insulting because the work was beyond sloppy..what a great way to say thanks to the only killer that made this game survive up till now..and now they ignore and dodge every post and thought about the changes..worst thing to happen to dbd since the legion release
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I always though that the nerf is necessary, and everyone knows that she still the best killer easily
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Nah base kit nerf was overkill and everyone knows it.
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the most fun game for everyone killer and survivor
KEKW
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I just 4Ked 2 games in a row with Nurse. Granted, I've been playing her a while now and have gotten pretty good at placing/predicting blink locations, but it's not impossible to have fun with her.
I think her game play really comes down to snowballing and information - I run BBQ and Chili as well as Iron Maiden, so locating people after a hook is pretty easy as long as they're outside the minimum range of BBQ. She's still great at ending chases early if you've built up a muscle memory of her blink timing, and if you manage to have 2 survivors on hooks, the game is pretty much stalled. Discordance is also a handy perk for the early game.
I do understand that it's a much harsher penalty for missing blinks, especially if you're still learning her. It also hurts her a lot more after the nerf if you don't know where survivors are and spend precious blinks moving towards generators with nobody around them.
Just my $0.02.
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The reason you don't see Nurse as much anymore is because of how high her skill-floor has become. At the highest level, Nurse is the only killer that can still 4k with no perks or add-ons if the killer makes no mistakes throughout the game.
Nurse will be the strongest killer in the game until she either gets deleted or reworked to have an ability that isn't 'blink'. A nurse that doesn't miss blinks does not have a counter. Juke all you want, but a nurse with 1k+ hours is going to predict you correctly every. single. time.
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Yeah for real... even a base-kit nurse was unbeatable and not many people realised that... nurse was just the go-to... you’ll always 4k if you’re good enough and survivor’s couldn’t do anything unless they had discord, commodious toolboxes and anti-nurse perks.
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And now you just see Hillbilly. Much variety. I don't even face Oni and he just came out.
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You totally get it Nurse saved DBD but most of people complaining are the one who haven't the dark times. Nurse saved DBD so everyone should be grateful.
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I'd imagine this is why the developers raised the skill-floor higher. The chances of you running into a nurse is lower since she's much harder to pick up and play, so there will be less people playing her overall (and thus getting better at playing her). I feel like she's going to be like hag - not many people play her, but the ones that do are great with her.
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The basekit got overnerfed a lot. It was fine the way it was and didnt need any nerfs. Her addons however were extremly OP and where rightfully nerfed. But we need the old base kit back.
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Regardless of whether she needed a nerf or not there were and still are far better ways to implement it that respects and maintains what made Nurse fun to begin with while also toning her down.
The changes we got not only took a bat to her kneecaps, it also shot and gunned down the fun aspect in her kit.
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^ She doesn't feel as fun because of how punishing her mistakes are. It doesn't feel good missing 2 or 3 important blinks over the entire match and going from a 4k to a 0k because of that.
Her fundamental ability to bypass every defense survivors have in the game is inherently game-breaking. They should have taken a 12 gauge and put her down in the shed out back, lit the body on fire, and nuked the area afterwards. She just isn't a healthy character for the game.
I've played against multiple Nurse's that still run no perks, no add-ons, and just don't miss blinks. Ever. It's extremely impressive and I give them props, but that's just not fun to play against when you can't do anything to avoid getting hit.
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Well a difficult to play killer should not be forced into mediocrity , that's absurd
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No she didn't. That was the addons that where the problem. Her base kit was fine. Now she has no map pressure and a weak chase on most maps.
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I wouldn't say she has weak chase, from my experience. I do agree that her map pressure is much lower now, so she's much more reliant on information perks and making the most out of her blinks.
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Nurse was stupid before the nerf, this just brought her back down to reality tbh.
How can people complain about her having a cooldown on a power that allows her to literally bypass any defence the survivor has? Doesn't matter if you're on another floor, behind a wall, behind a pallet, she can still reach you... And people think that she was okay?
People say things like "she's less fun", and "her base kit didn't need changing"... Well obviously she isn't as fun because now she's not as broken, and I disagree that her base kit didn't need changing. It was too easy to play her considering how powerful she was.
The only reason people cry now is because it got harder to excel with her (rightfully so with how powerful she is); but she's still easily the best killer in the game.
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Oh yeah? I rather play a nurse at red ranks what now? Prenerf vanilla nurse was the best, enough pressure to keep the game interesting and not too much of a hassle. Now you get bored to death with boring killers.
Show me why basekit nurse needed a nerf, it was just about skill and nothing else. You know what? I was able to tell why we lost when going against a vanilla nurse or where we won.
We traded nurse for freddy to me that is a bad trade nurse over freddy always. Do you wanna tell me freddy/spirit provide the same interesting game? No they do not, powers that are lackluster and force a utterly boring playstyle dragging the game on without end.
Nothing has changed in terms of buffs to other killers, i will mark the day i see a red rank clown or bubba, doctor etc list goes on. All those btw are the same roster of the 115% loop brigade at least nurse made it more interesting and making the whole map your playground not just jungle gyms etc.
4man optimal swf still is ignored by devs because swf is just goofing around with friends. Because of noobs like you who are boosted and do not belong in red ranks or even purple (in purple ranks even ruin poses a problem lul facepalm) we get everything that remotely has anything to do with skill taking out of the game.
I guess you are the kind of person that lasted 10sec in a chase and cried op instead of improving anything.
Yeah i am decent with nurse i guess, however, funfact, when i play her now i throw everything out of the window and play
boring/efficient/optimal, nobody likes that. Not me when i play that killer, not the survivors i face, it is first hook and die for them.Forcing people to play optimal is such fun.
Yeah you would think that, reality is that autoaim ######### her up and punishes nurse harder than any other killer in the game for that what does that have to do with skill? Play a basekit nurse and the most effective counterplay is running in a straight line, in another thread you can see a video i made about it. It is ######### dumb, run to the next LoS blocker, adjust the angle a little bit, no need for jukes or anything just run and it is ez pz. Servers do add their "effects" to that as well.
Nurse might be a strong killer, depending on map and addon she uses but in the end the killer is not fun to play as you can do what you can with her with almost any other killer now. I rather take another killer as it feels rewarding to play.
Yeah you know a nurse that doesnt miss a blink, i have a problem with that because that is depending on the survivor she faces. But hey it is all on the killer and boosted trash survivors do not exist in red ranks.
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"She had it coming for years. She broke the game and was left a monstrosity for that entire time. There was NOTHING you could do to counter a Nurse player that knew what they were doing before the nerf."
1. How many players like those are out there, realistically?
2. Get good.
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running from killers? How strange omg
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I'd rather they overshoot than undershoot a nurse nerf. According to most people they overshot and that sounds good enough to me. If you want to play a broken game please stop playing dbd
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cool, a broken killer should not become unplayable/ nonviable because they were op
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Blinking wrongly gave a lot of opportunity to the survivor in chase. She didn't break the game she changed it. She broke the loop de loop throw pallet meta that is played against every killer. For one killer you actually had to think where to go what to do and if you messed up you get hit. Survivors complaining about how she ignores pallets. So what? The whole map is there to use and the resources are not finite like pallets. The goal in a chase is to waste time, to allow other survivors to complete gens not 1v1 the killer all match.
In the end the only players benefiting from the added cool down are survivors that were already good against Nurse. Survivors that rely on loops and pallets still sit at pallets against a Nurse then complain when she hits them.
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I was never against a small nerf to her basekit but I think this was one of the worst ways to nerf her. Constantly waiting for your power to recharge makes her unenjoyable and frustrating to play.
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I actually love how terrible she is now. She had it coming a long time, ruining my survivor games for way too many years.
Now bad killers can't get carried so hard by an overpowered character, and I can get back to looping them...…..as DbD should be.
KILLER MAIN BY THE WAY
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Yeah you would think that
Why are you trying to be a dick?
If you haven't faced a god tier nurse since the recent patch, lemme tell ya, you're missing out. They are few and far between. You don't need add-ons or perks to be effective with her whatsoever. If you put enough time into Nurse, you learn what people do. I'm talking a lot of time. You can't juke a Nurse that knows what you are going to do, because they've seen it a million times already.
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Even Nurses with 1k hours can be juked. Sorry to tell you, but they are not Nostradamus, they won't predict every survivor move. Also, a Nurse without perks or add-ons will get destroyed by a good survivor team, no matter how good she is. Nurse kinda lacks mobility and map pressure without add-ons, so you can just gen rush and she can't do anything about it, especially if she gets a big map like Rotten Fields or Red Forest.
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If a nurse runs no perks or add-ons, they can definitely lose on a very large map, like you mentioned. She definitely would need something to help her out on those type of maps. But, I think you underestimate how long 1k hours is compared to how many options survivors have as far as juking her goes.
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Time played has nothing to do with skill. It only implies game knowledge, which is still an advantage, but there's a reason you can go to CS:GO and watch lifetime players get dunked on by like 14 year old E-sports kids.....some people are just naturally better at video games.
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Any well coordinated survivor team will wipe the floor against pretty much any killer, especially if they spread out and do generators individually. Even killers that can teleport/travel to a generator relatively quickly can only place pressure on the person repairing the generator they teleport/travel to. That's why perks that affect all 4 survivors ability to repair generators are so important.
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Have you played nurse on console?
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Nurse players aren’t robots- if they predict right every time then you are being massively outplayed.
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She needs a lot of experience and she is a lot easy to loop with you know how
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You realize that she can’t see through objects, right? Blinking through floors and ceilings still requires Nurse to guess where you are exactly.
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She has ears though, and all you need is a headset to hear an injured survivor through a wall/above you (and also footsteps when sound isn't bugged).
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Nope, worst mistake ever made to DBD. Best DBD killer ruined.
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I agree, but the skill ceiling in a game like CS is far higher than with any character in DBD. With enough playtime you can learn patterns survivors tend to stick to for juking, and put yourself in a spot where no matter where they juke, you can guarantee a hit with the 2nd blink.
More-so I meant that there are players with enough experience on Nurse to know where to position the first blink in any situation, to guarantee a hit with the 2nd blink.
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Nothing guarantees a second hit unless the survivor happens to be in a tight corridor.
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