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"Let's Play Killer" day for the developers
Most of the time, apart from Not_Queen, it's clear that most of the developers don't play their own game and are completely oblivious to the things that's happening inside it. Old examples would be them calling killers to "get good" for complaining about looping and such.
So here I come with a pretty unorthodox balance suggestion to Dead by Daylight, the developers need to have an actual play session as part of their job where they're forced to play Killer. Be it only for 2-4 hours, it'd help greatly towards them understand all the faults that Dead by Daylight suffer from.
Any opinions?
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Of course they should otherwise killers would actually be powerful if they did reach rank 1 and see how stupidly powerless 99% of the killers are because of now easy it is to play survivor.
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@ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:
Of course they should otherwise killers would actually be powerful if they did reach rank 1 and see how stupidly powerless 99% of the killers are because of now easy it is to play survivor.That's exactly it. Right now, all they see is data and here-say from the forums. They haven't EXPERIENCED it themselves, so it's easy to shrug aside what's being said and seen.
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After the humiliating experience they should also be taken hostage by survivor hiding in lockers just for good measure.
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i saw mathieu cote play killer... afterwards they insta nerfed the flashlights xDD
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@Mister_xD said:
i saw mathieu cote play killer... afterwards they insta nerfed the flashlights xDDHis preferred play-style is hard camping it with Hag or Trapper. Heck, the first time I saw him play he was Insidious camping as a Trapper next to a survivor who had a trap in front of them, back when that was still possible.
That flashlight nerf is a perfect example on why they must spend more time playing killers. So that they can EXPERIENCE the bullshit first hand.
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@Hillbilly420 said:
Good idea but what will happen is that they'll just play against rank 20's and think everything is honky dory.
They need to play against rank 1 Survivors and see what hell really is like.With the new ranking system, they'll not lose as much on resets and if they're so trash that they cannot escape 20-16.. well.. hmm.. it says a lot, doesn't it?
If every game is 15 minutes, they'd still pull off a lot of games in a 2-4 hour session.
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@se05239 said:
Most of the time, apart from Not_Queen, it's clear that most of the developers don't play their own game and are completely oblivious to the things that's happening inside it. Old examples would be them calling killers to "get good" for complaining about looping and such.So here I come with a pretty unorthodox balance suggestion to Dead by Daylight, the developers need to have an actual play session as part of their job where they're forced to play Killer. Be it only for 2-4 hours, it'd help greatly towards them understand all the faults that Dead by Daylight suffer from.
Any opinions?
I wanna see devs struggle playing killer at rank 1, pulling off their hair and geting a mental breakdown.
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Funny how flashlights got nerfed shortly after that. Its almost like he realized that flashlights were utter bullshit.. but this is exactly what I mean.
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That's so ironic that the actual DBD developer team doesn't even play their own game!
"I think we did a pretty good job so far!"1 -
Lots of devs of many games don´t play their own game. Nothing special.
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How can u built a game without playing it?
Its mindblowing...
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@Rush_b_naked said:
How can u built a game without playing it?
Its mindblowing...I take it you haven't seen the Quality Assurance team play, have you? They're worse than Mathieu and I've only seen them play survivor.
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@se05239 said:
@Rush_b_naked said:
How can u built a game without playing it?
Its mindblowing...I take it you haven't seen the Quality Assurance team play, have you? They're worse than Mathieu and I've only seen them play survivor.
Are you surprised by that? It just reflects all the balancing decision
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Just let Twitchstreamers get involved by balancequestions.
Why is it so hard ? They play the game 12 hrs/ day.
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Only if they play killer at rank 1. And do a full rotation of the killers to see how difficult it is with the killers not called Nurse.1
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@Rush_b_naked said:
Just let Twitchstreamers get involved by balancequestions.
Why is it so hard ? They play the game 12 hrs/ day.
They know all the issues !Most of them play survivor and a bunch of them are toxic as #########. Too much bias for one side or another.
@Master said:
Are you surprised by that? It just reflects all the balancing decisionHeck, no. It just enforces my belief that the developers themselves need to experience their own game to fully understand it.
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You should watch Tru3ta1ent and Marth88, they both play killer and survivor. I only listen to them about what's really wrong with the game because they experienced both sides equally so their feedback will be worth listening to.se05239 said:Most of them play survivor and a bunch of them are toxic as [BAD WORD]. Too much bias for one side or another.
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@Nickenzie said:
You should watch Tru3ta1ent and Marth88, they both play killer and survivor. I only listen to them about what's really wrong with the game because they experienced both sides equally so their feedback will be worth listening to.I watch a few streamers myself, Tru3ta1ent being one of them, but they're still heavily biased. Marth88 knows firsthand how insanely broken a SWF squad is and Tru3ta1ent often express how frustrating it is to play killer. I still don't think you should put streamers on balance duty.
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Isn't that the truth tho? I just faced a SWF with a clicky clicky flashlight and I was able to sacrifice 3 of them, luckily they were altruistic for me.se05239 said:I watch a few streamers myself, Tru3ta1ent being one of them, but they're still heavily biased. Marth88 knows firsthand how insanely broken a SWF squad is and Tru3ta1ent often express how frustrating it is to play killer. I still don't think you should put streamers on balance duty.
Not every streamer deserves to make balance calls but certain ones that play both survivor and killer 50/50 should have a voice for their community. I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game. Streamers, only the few that play 50/50, should have some factor in deciding balance since they play hours upon hours of DbD.0 -
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
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@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
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@Rush_b_naked said:
Just let Twitchstreamers get involved by balancequestions.
Why is it so hard ? They play the game 12 hrs/ day.
They know all the issues !Thats not a solution, they might give ideas but devs need to build their own opinion.
DS was a perk designed by the community btw, but considering that 80% are survviors, thats not rlly surprising.1 -
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
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@Laakeri said:
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.He's still well versed in both sides of the spectrum, though. He got several thousand hours at the least and since he's willing to not rely on full meta to play his games, that proves he's better than most.
The thing about the developers and people being in contact with them is that it never feels like they listen to actual feedback from anyone but people who review-bomb their game. Killers complain and gets a "git gud" from the devs while they just sit and look at their data. They need to be more immersed with their game.
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@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
You should watch Tru3ta1ent and Marth88, they both play killer and survivor. I only listen to them about what's really wrong with the game because they experienced both sides equally so their feedback will be worth listening to.I watch a few streamers myself, Tru3ta1ent being one of them, but they're still heavily biased. Marth88 knows firsthand how insanely broken a SWF squad is and Tru3ta1ent often express how frustrating it is to play killer. I still don't think you should put streamers on balance duty.
Well since marth actually proved how broken the game is....... also it is quite frustrating to play killer
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@Hillbilly420 said:
@se05239 said:
Most of the time, apart from Not_Queen, it's clear that most of the developers don't play their own game and are completely oblivious to the things that's happening inside it. Old examples would be them calling killers to "get good" for complaining about looping and such.So here I come with a pretty unorthodox balance suggestion to Dead by Daylight, the developers need to have an actual play session as part of their job where they're forced to play Killer. Be it only for 2-4 hours, it'd help greatly towards them understand all the faults that Dead by Daylight suffer from.
Any opinions?
"Just break the pallet." Is another example.
Good idea but what will happen is that they'll just play against rank 20's and think everything is honky dory. They need to play against rank 1 Survivors and see what hell really is like.
Simply let them face a squad of experienced streamers and they will show them how broken the game is. Worked pretty well in the asian twitch event too
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@Master said:
The examples you picked both play survivor and killer, unlike some other streamers.....There's little fun in watching one trick ponies.
@Master said:
Simply let them face a squad of experienced streamers and they will show them how broken the game is. Worked pretty well in the asian twitch event tooThat flashlight nerf a few days later confirmed that the developers didn't know how bullshit the flashlight was until they experienced it first hand. That's why they need to play their own game more and preferably the killer side, since the survivors themselves don't get to experience the #########.
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@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
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@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
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@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
I too used to watch him and Hexy in 2016 and thought these guys are best killers ever! Why else these guys would have +1k viewers if they are not the best, right?
Then I actually started to play this game myself for more than just dailies and realized they are actually not that good.
While its true they are still better than 95% of the players, but not as good as people think.
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@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
I too used to watch him and Hexy in 2016 and thought these guys are best killers ever! Why else these guys would have +1k viewers if they are not the best, right?
Then I actually started to play this game myself for more than just dailies and realized they are actually not that good.
While its true they are still better than 95% of the players, but not as good as people think.
Yes thats because views are gained by entertaining the viewers and you need to do more than just playing optimally.
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@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
I too used to watch him and Hexy in 2016 and thought these guys are best killers ever! Why else these guys would have +1k viewers if they are not the best, right?
Then I actually started to play this game myself for more than just dailies and realized they are actually not that good.
While its true they are still better than 95% of the players, but not as good as people think.
Yes thats because views are gained by entertaining the viewers and you need to do more than just playing optimally.
I'd say that Truetalent is better than most streamers out there just because he's willing to not play optimally, if viewed from an overall standpoint, as he constantly needs to adapt to situations and such.
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@se05239 said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
I too used to watch him and Hexy in 2016 and thought these guys are best killers ever! Why else these guys would have +1k viewers if they are not the best, right?
Then I actually started to play this game myself for more than just dailies and realized they are actually not that good.
While its true they are still better than 95% of the players, but not as good as people think.
Yes thats because views are gained by entertaining the viewers and you need to do more than just playing optimally.
I'd say that Truetalent is better than most streamers out there just because he's willing to not play optimally, if viewed from an overall standpoint, as he constantly needs to adapt to situations and such.
Well playing non-optimally makes him indeed a worse killer, at least from a gameplay perspective^^
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@Master said:
@se05239 said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
I watch him from time to time too and I suggest you do the same before insulting him like this
I too used to watch him and Hexy in 2016 and thought these guys are best killers ever! Why else these guys would have +1k viewers if they are not the best, right?
Then I actually started to play this game myself for more than just dailies and realized they are actually not that good.
While its true they are still better than 95% of the players, but not as good as people think.
Yes thats because views are gained by entertaining the viewers and you need to do more than just playing optimally.
I'd say that Truetalent is better than most streamers out there just because he's willing to not play optimally, if viewed from an overall standpoint, as he constantly needs to adapt to situations and such.
Well playing non-optimally makes him indeed a worse killer, at least from a gameplay perspective^^
Not gonna argue with that but my point still stands.
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I agree that the developers should spend more time in what they created, but not just for several hours. Best way would be to let them get to rank 1 with both killer and survivor, or atleast any red or purple rank to fully understand the issues that the players have
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For devs onlt what count is more skins for survs and make more money on this crap.Fk the balance in game we need more dlc and skins.No need play in dbd becose we work on another dlc and skins and for what? You want fix game with dlc add new perks what make balace in game? But wait how i supose to take all need perks for killer if i got 4 slots i can't also i cant compare with better survs who got 2 lifes and many second chances like ds sc sb dh etc!4
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@Larcz said:
For devs onlt what count is more skins for survs and make more money on this crap.The Warframe devs are making gold and they're actually listening to their playerbase and making changes on a regular basis. I think that BHVR would get more money from us players, should they follow DE's example.
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@se05239 said:
@Larcz said:
For devs onlt what count is more skins for survs and make more money on this crap.The Warframe devs are making gold and they're actually listening to their playerbase and making changes on a regular basis. I think that BHVR would get more money from us players, should they follow DE's example.
DE? Studio who made Warframe?
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@Larcz said:
@se05239 said:
@Larcz said:
For devs onlt what count is more skins for survs and make more money on this crap.The Warframe devs are making gold and they're actually listening to their playerbase and making changes on a regular basis. I think that BHVR would get more money from us players, should they follow DE's example.
DE? Studio who made Warframe?
Yes. Digital Extremes. DE.
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The problem is that the devs don't really care what we think. I play both survivor and killer, but unless you are the majority of being a rank 20 survivor, your thoughts get skipped. These forums are a great example. I have 1k hours, I've been rank 1 survivor and killer many seasons, but you don't see that anywhere on the forums. My response is the same as any other. Watch TydeTyme, he's explaining how every time we take a step forward for balance, it's two steps back. Instead of a play killer day for the devs, how about a no killer day? ALL killers don't play for a day, or hell a week, and then they'll finally wake up and go this is a problem. This game will not work without killers, and when survivors are in queues for an hour because no killers are there the devs will finally have to take notice. I'm tired of getting stepped on and stabbed in the back every single patch. I played when the game first came out, killers were scary, survivors had to use their brains, and the game was fun. Now, survivors get to run around in circles, they learn from streamers that want to BM and run around because the streamers don't want to play stealthy, so the killers have become a punching bag point farming simulator. You may as well have an AI killer and normal survivors. Killers can't have fun and play say a wraith without being bullied all to hell. They wonder why they get Billy's and Nurses every game, it's because we're tired of all this BS. I'm fed up with it. Mathieu's suggestion was to play other games, maybe all killers being gone for a few days to play other games will finally make them understand, a killer strike.
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@Lyro92 said:
The problem is that the devs don't really care what we think.Ain't that the truth. Or well, they do care what we say, if we reviewbomb their game. "We" being the survivors who scream doom as soon as something on their side get nerfed.
Mathieu's suggestion was to play other games
I am currently enjoying MHW and it feels good being away from DbD.
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MHW?se05239 said:r@Lyro92 said:
The problem is that the devs don't really care what we think.Ain't that the truth. Or well, they do care what we say, if we reviewbomb their game. "We" being the survivors who scream doom as soon as something on their side get nerfed.
Mathieu's suggestion was to play other games
I am currently enjoying MHW and it feels good being away from DbD.
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@Laakeri said:
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
@se05239 said:
@Nickenzie said:
I really REALLY feel like the developers should at least talk to some of the streamers that play both survivor and killer regularly if they don't play their own game.Heh. The only ones that the developers listen to are the survivors review bombing their game in protest over small changes.They seek to keep the majority happy.
It's some nice wishful thinking though. Streamers who actively play both sides should be listened to. It'd be amazing if @not_Queen, in her community manager role, could reach out to most and ask them to make a list of the things they like the most with DbD and the things that they dislike the most.
Good players are in fact in touch with the devs about the balance. OhTofu is one them, but Tru3 is not cuz well, if you play this game enough you actually know he is not that good of a player, he is good streamer, but mediocore player.
Yeah he is mediocre because he refuses to play tactically, but at the same time playing tactically is considered toxic by survivors..... its kinda funny tbh
Using Thanatophobia or Ruin on m1 killers instead of Enduring and tries to Bloodlust on safe pallets & Jungle Jyms. He even respects pallets when he uses Enduring and gets looped for 5 gens cuz of that.
Also all Survivors that are half capeable (not r20's) are SWF for him.
Thats not refusing to play tactically, its pure stupidity and ignorance.
"Tries to bloodlust on safe pallets & jungle gyms"?
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That's exactly it. Right now, all they see is data and here-say from the forums. They haven't EXPERIENCED it themselves, so it's easy to shrug aside what's being said and seen.Seems like you're discarding data as a non relevent tool to understand the game. Why is that ? I guess data is the most reliable way to get real information on the game without all the drama attached to everyone's unique experience and feelings ... we're not talking real life here ... we're talking about a video game where everything was created with a purpose, and everything can be breaked down into logic algorythm.
So in the big picture, if killers sacrifice 50 % of the survivors, then obviously the game is at least roughly balanced. Experimented killers not getting the 50 % chance to kill experimented survivors or SWF, is a problem, but when compared to the big picture this is just a detail. I believe devs are working hard to even things out. Yet of course they cannot risk breaking the whole game balance just to please some veterans, because this is not their game : this is everyone's game.
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