Ghostface is too powerful.
Here is my thoughts on Ghostface that I believe something needs to be done about him. Many other players and I who play this game often agree that Ghostface is a super unfair killer to play against as a survivor. I do understand he is a stealth killer like Pig, Myers, and Wraith but trying to play against him is miserable than all the killers. Mainly because of two reasons. When a survivor looks at Ghostface from a distance and he doesn't notice you, there is a sound that will alert him and that killer will search around the area and since killers are much faster than survivors they will be found and a chase will ensure.
When Ghostface stalking a survivor and the same person is staring him in the face they still get exposure on and it's an instant one shot. They even do this mid chase, they go into stalk mode, look at a character for a second and bam instant kill! This happens so often it's not even funny. Combine this with All Ears, Ruin, and Barbeque and Chilli and it's a shutdown, no win for survivors, no chance, hopefully, you can find a hatch at best.
Please make some changes to Ghostface nerf him, please. Killer Players often run Ghostface instead of other killers. Ghostface is constantly in matches cause he basically can't lose. It's even worse if you run into one who camps and teabags you. I even spoked to a few Ghostface players they even say he's super strong and basically a can not lose killer. This happens all the time on the Playstation 4 console of the game even till this day.
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Strange, the same mechanic uses Michael. He stalks u to 99%, and when you are unsafe, he pops EW3 and insta-downs you.
Ghostface is definitly not top tier, just try to use spinechill as awareness perk, for example.
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Uh oh here we go...
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Can we all agree that baits should be very small?
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Assuming this isn't a bait, Ghostface isn't OP, you just don't know how to play against him, if you know how to win chases as survivor you can outlast the exposed effect and staying vigilant will keep you one step ahead of ghostface, if you really need help, run spine chill, it will give you an early waning to when he is coming and increases your vaulting speed
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You're right about this topic isn't bait. It's my very first time making a post in this forum and I've seen what this forum is like over the months on various topics on killers. Which is normally in the favor of the killer for whatever reason.
Plaquer, personally when it comes to me I always have on Spine Chill lv 3 at all times in my build. I do use it to get a heads up on the killer and plan my moves in advance to evade. But let me tell you. Ghostface killers on the Playstation 4 Mostly snowball survivors constantly and lets be honest the hit range of killer weapons during lunges is pretty long regardless if they are using daggers or short weapons. From my experience Ghostface will end chases in a 1 shot, they do not hit twice, in fact all of them will stalk midchase and bam 1 shot. So trying to prolong a chase is a no go.
They will run I'm all Ears, Barbeque and Chilli, Ruin (Everyone runs this) and the fourth one could be whatever sometimes nurse's calling, corrupt intervention or whatever. They are rampant in PS4 console more than any other killer by far. I ran into four different Ghostface matches in a row. Each game was a hatch game except for one, that particular match Ghostface wanted to Teabag a poor Steve in a sailor outfit by using camping and tunneling tactics.
And if that wasn't bad enough. I discovered that Ghostface can put exposure on multiple survivors at once. And it happened when two survivors went to go make a save on a hook survivor and well a Ghostface was camping nearby. After during the unhooking the two survivors both had that target sign on them. To summarize everyone died and there was only one gen left.
This killer is frankly too powerful. Which is why I created this topic.
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Ghost Face is the easiest Killer to loop, he doesn't have any map pressure, he only does have his Night Shroud, which can be really good if Survivors don't pay attention.
But if they do or you just got the most opened map possible it sucks.
His reveal mechanic is broken for both sides, I agree, you can just look at him from 8 meters away and he doesn't get revealed, and as a Ghostface they can reveal you through walls sometimes.
It sucks for both sides, just pay extra attention when playing against Ghostface and you'll be fine.
Also, I would like to mention that your player model blocks the revealing for some reason.
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Its just practice, you need to work on having good chases, if you can play well, then his exposed effect won't even matter, since he won't hit you in the first place. He can be very frustrating to play against, but a nerf is unnecessary, you just need more experience as a player, work on improving yourself and play around his weaknesses. If something is difficult, practice first, if you're stuck, ask for help, once you have understood how to play around it then make suggestions about changes.
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I agree that revealing ghostface is broken bugged and i would also remove indication who revealed you because it's kinda unfair killer gets unearned info
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You get to remove the killer's power in less than 2 seconds for like 35 seconds.
"Unearned info" lol.
To address the OP, no. Ghostie is nowhere near OP. He's just okay. He's easy to loop when his power's disabled, has no map pressure, and his power is easily disabled. You can disable his power while running away and after that, he's pretty easy to go against, as he has nothing for the next 35 seconds to use against you.
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I agree he is awful. He's the only killer that makes me not want to play survivor. I will type up my own arguments in the future but for now I fully support changes to Ghostface. He feels very "cheap". I wouldn't say he's straight up overpowered, he just feels unfair and unfun to face like old Freddy did.
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Ah I see what's going on here, you want an Ochido simulator where you go against potato killers who can be juked and easily mind gamed and bullied. Tell you what, how about we all just ask the devs to nerf not just Ghostface, but all killers to the point where they're
-Slower than survivors
-Take 3 hits to down someone
-One shot weapons and exposed status takes 2 hits to down someone
-Completely remove the ability to even stalk
Posts like these are why the devs nerfed ruin and changed doc (for better or worse), whiny survivors who would rather be boosted by the devs instead of using the plethora of existing counterplay to survive.
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You don't like getting jump scared do you Squidward?
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You are really understating Ghostface's power, he is actually a very good killer, but that doesn't make him OP
idk ######### you're talking about, old Freddy was a joke to play against, he wasn't threatening in the slightest and most of the things survivors deem to be "scummy" didn't even work with him i.e. face camping, slugging. Ghostface is NOT old freddy, he is in a good spot atm and you need to understand that just because you aren't doing well against him doesn't mean he needs a nerf, it means you should improve as a player rather than beg the devs to make it easier for you
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You could try reading what I wrote instead of going on the defensive.
Old Freddy wasn't the strongest yet everyone hated him. Why? because although he was not OP he was not fun to go against due to his power.
I specifically said Ghostface isn't the most OP killer, nor is he straight up overpowered. He just feels cheap and not fun to face. So taking the usual defensive approach of "git gud" really doesn't work.
People know how to play against Ghostface, they just don't like how he plays. In the same way that people knew how to play against old freddy but nobody found him fun to play against.
That said there is ample evidence that at the moment you CAN'T play against Ghostface correctly as half the time you can't even reveal him.
What you typed just comes off as saying "don't nerf my killer, i like them strong with easy hits that the survivor can do little about". Perhaps I should ask for you to try playing other killers and getting better at getting hits so that you don't need a killer with zero terror radius, zero slowdown, and zero attack delay while cloaked.
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"I like them strong with easy hits that the survivor can do little about" That is what stealth killers are meant to do, Tier 1 Myers, GF, get the jump on them, surprise them, "Sounds like Orc mischief to me! They come with fire! They come with axes! Gnawing, biting, breaking, hacking, burning!! Destroyers and usurpers, CURSE THEM!!" If anything, Pig, and Wraith needs some love and attention to do the same, the growl/bell kinda kills it for em. Hell if they gave Ghostface permo stealth and got rid of his ability to expose survivors or made it an add-on I wouldn't care less because jump scaring people is what makes him and Tier 1 Myers so much more fun than Pig or Wraith.
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But Myers has a 16m terror radius....like GF was meant to have a 16m warning. When myers is in tier 3, he gets instadowns but you get a 32m radius.
GF has none. Fail to spot him and you're exposed too. It's an awful feeling, especially if he has you at 99% stalk,pops his head around and you're screwed.
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Any time I see people complain that it's too hard to break GF out of his shroud, I know I can safely discard what they have to say about him. Every single time so far, it's always been people that didn't understand how breaking him out worked, and are just upset that simply having him on screen doesn't count as revealing him.
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GF is literally one of the killers that i follow because i want to take his power away. There is not much more to in this game possible to show that you disrespect a killer so much. That is funny because afterwards you can loop for days like any other 115 killer.
I don't know what bad survivor you are but get good, learn anything or play tetris.
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Well thanks for the toxic response.
GF seems quite well hated among the community so I guess we all need to get better and learn what fun is.
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Yeah you do because the noobs and potatoes in this game, rob any skilled player of any challenge and you make the game dull and boring because you struggle with the most basic aspects of this game.
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That is the biggest problem I have with Ghostface. If they can fix that issue where Ghostface doesn't some type of notification that someone is looking at him even if it's for a second it makes the game better. But with that stupid notification is just insanely powerful, it needs to go.
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The guy is very powerful, he is by far the most popular killer on the PlayStation 4 next to Myers and Spirit killers. I see Ghostface far more than any other killer even the Oni and Hilbilly takes a backseat when it comes to Ghostface. And these guys are running very similar builds like 90% of the time. And like I stated before each game is a hatch game except for when they wanna tunnel and camp one survivor just to teabag them.
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Even the killers who play Ghostface tells me he is the cheapest killer to play as. He's basically the You can't Lose the deus ex machina of Dead By Daylight killers.
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It's not just me who wants him to get nerfed or change some functions of his. I don't even have to search the forums to find topics on Ghostface being too OP, needs a nerf, etc, I'm sure there are quite a few complaints there about him. And majority of the players I do end up talking to in Dead By Daylight agrees he is OP, and some who actually knows about the existence of this forum and they don't wanna deal with this forum because of the heavily biased opinions on defending killers and nerfing survivor perks to the ground and buff killer perks.
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It seems your missing the big picture. I don't care about the other killers, they are fine and sometimes fun to go against espeically Ms.Piggy. Ghostface is one a whole different story of BS. And lets be real, players will always go for what the Meta is to get easy wins, before it was Spirit and there was tons of them before the nerf. Since then it's now Ghostface 90% of the time. I don't even remember the last time I seen a Nurse, Doctor, Hillbilly or even a Clown.
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Myers is fair and I'm okay with that. But you know exactly what I'm dealing with when it comes to Ghostface. It happens in all my games and people just get snowball, some players are so tired of seeing Ghostface they just dc. They just say screw it.
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Have him in the center of the screen while looking at him right?
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You know its weird how Myers and Gf share similar mechanics, yet a number of people on here (myself included) listed Myers as the most fun killer and Ghostface as the least fun killer.
I see many games where GF gets an instadown or a gen grab right at the start like 15 seconds into the game and its that which always causes the dc. People feel its cheap and bs. Myers can get gen grabs too but its rare and also he moves slow and his breathing is louder than Ghostfaces cloak so I’m guessing thats why they don’t care. Also they know that Myers will lose that kind of stealth soon enough.
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Ghostie is a popular killer, but he's not even close to red rank material. He's very popular in the green rank territory, but as a red rank survivor and killer, and Ghostie main, he's not red rank material and I see the typical Spirit and Billy way more often.
You cannot apply your experience to the game as a whole.
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Ghostface is easily red rank material. His ability to get free hits and the fact that survivors have no idea where he is often wins me games easily. It's not just my experience I watch a number of streamers who all have the same experience.
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Yeah but it doesn't matter if he can get free hit if survivors completely counter the ability that gets him it by looking at him.
And then he can be easily looped by competent survivors.
Add that to the fact that he as no map pressure and he's not gonna be winning too many games without something to heavily slow down the gen speeds.
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But survivors dont see him coming, and many struggle to break him out because of how busted the mechanic is. GF can expose them and they cant reveal him.
i dont know what to say. I find him really strong and its easy to dominate good teams with him because his stealth is overpowering.
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Survivors don't see him coming if they don't have Spine Chill or he's taking a weird route to avoid line of sight. Good Ghostie players will purposefully do that to sneak up, unless they literally can't provided the map is something like Red Forest or Mount Ormond.
The reveal mechanic doesn't work if you don't have 40% of him in the center of of the screen.
Knowing this actually makes revealing him a lot easier.
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If you pay attention he won't get the jump on you, he is meant to be a stealth killer, he constantly pressures survivors by being unpredicatable. Yes I agree revealing him is inconsistent, but an exposed status effect isn't a death sentence, Myers gets looped, Billy gets looped, Haunted grounds, make your choice, Noed. If you can outlast the exposed it doesn't even matter, plus you shouldn't expect the killer to not use their power, especially when their power is good in chase like ghostface's is. Nerfs should not be dolled out because of a subjective opinion of "he's not fun to play against" objectively speaking, he is in a very good spot, he has counterplay and a power that is strong and fun, he is atm the only real stealth killer, it forces survivors to play differently and that doesn't make him unfair, it makes him unique, and not being able to adapt and then complaining isn't a great solution
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And yet buffs were handed out when killer mains cried, now we end up with the killer who a lot would agree is the least fun killer in the game.
his stealth is bullshit. He removes terror radius, has no noise, no red stain, no slowdown or no penalty to attacking unlike other stealth killers
He’s awful and ruins the game for a lot of other players.
its funny how hes not allowed to be changed because people dont find him fun yet when killers didnt find him fun THEN he had to be changed. Double standards. GF was DESIGNED to have a 16m auditory warning.
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Once again, who the HECK is "a lot"?
You and your friends or the people you watch on YouTube or Twitch does not count, as it's not an accurate rep of people's actual opinions.
His stealth is removed for 35 seconds in like 3-4 different ways.
He does make noise. His cloaks flapping are actually pretty discernible when nearby (if sound worked lol).
Ghost Face was designed to what, lol?
Please, just stop projecting you opinion on something you clearly do not understand.
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You have two perks that aren't teachables that totally counter his stealth, he makes plenty of noise (If you actually listen) and his pale white mask gives him away pretty often. You need to pay attention, sure there will be times where you get put on a gen that he will probably get a free hit on since its so risky, but thats his strength, to catch you when you're unprepared and capitalise on it, so don't get caught unprepared, the second you know its ghostface always watch your back, pay attention to your teammates, whether someone gets injured, or the obsession is being chased, or if you see teammates reacting to something its probably him and you should take the hint. His stealth is a powerful ability, but with the proper preparation and vigilance, you can prevent him from catching you off guard.
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no matter where you go you see lots of comments about GF being awful to play against. It's definitely not a niche opinion. He commonly seems to be one of the most disliked.
All GF players run his recharge add ons. It's common knowledge those are his best and every GF runs them to ensure his stealth recharges as fast as possible.
He's meant to make noise but yeah audio is broken right now so it's easily drowned out, also 8m? you're basically on top of the survivor at that point.
No matter where you look, twitch, here, youtube, reddit, twitter it is commonly agreed that GF is one of the stronger killers in the game and feels bad to play against. I think it is you who needs to stop projecting that he's underpowered for red ranks and perfectly fun to go against.
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spine chill? oh please. wasn't that why everyone complained about spirit? that you needed a specific perk against her?
I didn't even have an issue with spirit I didnt think she was too bad but iron will is a good perk regardless, spine chill is not a fun perk imo and I don't like it nor would I ever need it aside from this one killer who has more problems than just his stealth.
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I never said you NEEDED spine chill, although if you have it it makes beating ghostface a lot easier, but he has a lot of indicators of when he is coming, his cloak makes a ton of noise, you have EYES that can ######### SEE him since he needs LOS, and the most obvious is crows, if you listen you will hear crows caw and fly off when survivors or killers disturb them, they are very audible, so listen and look up when you hear them to see where he is approaching from. You need to be aware of the environment and use it against ghostface, crows are something most people don't even notice but knowing gives you an early warning against any stealth killer
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Eyes that can see in the open but half the gens block line of sight.
Also no he doesn't make a ton of noise lol. This is what a lot of people hate. Granted sounds are busted but any nearby noise i.e. a gen being worked on drowns out his clothes.
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I've never had any problems, I mean I've escaped from a few and been killed by a few. Not being able to reveal him sounds more like a dedicated servers issue.
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No matter where you go you also see people clamoring for Freddy nerfs, DS buffs, Dead Hard nerfs, and etc. People will always complain about stuff they lose to.
Please, actually show me these majority of people online complaining about Ghost Face.
Because this and one other thread a few days ago are literally the only posts I've ever seen calling for Ghost Face to be nerfed.
I guarantee those people don't understand his power completely, and don't play Ghost Face at red ranks.
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