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Why don’t people actually try and put the effort into learning nurse ?
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LOL
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Because only a god tier Nurse can do really well with her, that's why. She gets punished far too hard for not perfectly hitting every blink. Guess what? There are so many things that mess with your blinks, terrain wise, that it's already difficult.
So when you add how hard you're punished for missing blinks into survivors who maintain distance and constantly break LoS, you will have far too extended chases. She can't even traverse the map as quickly, when she's already super slow.
She's absolute garbage against good survivors at her stats at red ranks show it, yet everyone here will lead you to believe they were all just trash Nurse's, when the reality is the effort you put into her is no longer paid off. Can I destroy survivors on her? Yeah, I can destroy survivors I probably would have destroyed on any killer, just a little bit faster.
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This.
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Well the main reason she was OP in the first place was because of Omega 3-blink nurse, and a 5 blink nurse.
The old base kit nurse actually required a high amount of hours to learn her power throughout, and was balanced.
The current God Nurses and the actually good nurses had to spend hundreds of hours mastering her power.
The main reason survivors cried Nurse was Op was just because of the Add ons, not the base kit itself. The ones who cried OP at old basekit nurse where ones who couldn't or refused to learn how to play against her (which was LOS breakers and jukes), and ones that just want every killer to be looped.
The current Nurse is in a bad spot, she is add on dependent in order to not be easily countered. Survivors can outrun the current basekit Nurse in a straight line. Also add on Dedicated servers, as well as the amount of bugs that hurt the Nurse.
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This, current nurse needs a buff. I've provided 4 viable options that would put her back in a good killer status without making her OP:
a)Get back 3-4 blinks and leave everything else as is. b) Have her base speed increased to 4.2-4.4 just like hag or huntress and leave the rest as is, c) remove the fatigue, or d) remove the c/d between blinks.
Any ONE of these changes would buff her back to the top tier while maintaining her very high skill cap and without putting her anywhere near as powerful as she was before.
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Option A sounds a bit too much imo, but considering that there is a fatigue and cooldown, its hard to say if that would be balanced. It would require a lot of testing, but for me I would say 3 blinks would be the max, but that even feels too much for me.
Options B, C, and D are honestly the options that should be considered.
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People like you completely ignore that this killer has a map that completely eliminates her power because she can not use it on the map. Aw you got oni map? Well too bad for you because this map is/was filled with deadzones where it is near impossible to blink correctly.
If that is how you define strongest killer, okay.
Meanwhile I haven't seen a single nurse that was able to offer even a little challenge. The killer has simply no rewards for learning how to play the killer. Also if skill had anything to do with balance approaches well might want to consider the slight adjustments of nurse compared to "it is too difficult to hit great skillchecks :(".
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I define strength in terms of raw potential, not in terms of how that potential is realised on particular maps. I don't and never have ignored the fact that Nurse suffers on maps like Sanctum of Wrath, I just don't take external variables into account when assessing the strength of a killer.
I also didn't mention anything about balance, so I'm not sure why you're talking as though you're refuting one of my points in that last sentence of your comment.
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Even then with more reason she is not a strong killer. Her nerf was too big and now even if you know how to use her and have put in the time, she is one of the weakest options.
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Here's a question for you:
Should there be a killer who can only be realistically played by the top 10 players in the world to begin with? If so then please explain why?
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You are basically measuring strength by how well a killer does under optimal conditions.
With current Nurse, Huntress actually does better under optimal conditions. On maps like Blodlodge a Huntress could theoretically land 5 hits in 20 seconds if she had a 100% accuracy. You could not say the same about Nurse, since she has a cooldown now. Even with cooldown add-ons she lands hits slower, especially since she travels slower than Huntress' hatchets.
A Hag can deal more damage per time, if her web gets triggered really fast.
Bubba can basically down the entire team in one charge.
Billly can do so as well, but with more flexibility.
Trapper could do, if his traps work out all at the same time.
Are all of those killers stronger than Nurse now?
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Because Once i learn how to play Nurse, they will just nerf her again after a year
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Absolutely they are, and so is spirit and almost all other killers without even have to wry about the exponential learning curve. Warcrafter hit the nail on the head: Should there be a killer who can only be realistically played by the top 10 players in the world to begin with?
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I got good at her awhile ago and just don’t wanna touch her. Her constant stun everY time is so unfun I just can’t take it. If they made screen go black or look like tunnel vision rather than looking down I’d be ok but she’s so annoying to play. I’m pretty good with her but I’d play before rework Freddy before I do her.
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No. Personally, I think that's an exaggeration when it comes to Nurse, but as I've said already, I don't have the personal experience with Nurse necessary to engage in balance discussions about her. All I can say is that from what I've seen, and more importantly from what I've heard from experienced players whose opinions I respect, Nurse is still the strongest killer in the game.
I'm not here to discuss balance, because I don't feel I'm qualified to do so. My original comment was just trying to answer OP's question of why most players don't feel that learning Nurse is worthwhile. I suppose I should amend it to say that there are actually two reasons, the second being that some players don't want to learn her simply because they don't think that she's very strong anymore.
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OP I don’t think many people put a lot of effort into learning period.
It’s very easy to lose and come on the forums and post about how x, y, and z need to be changed but yet your skill remains the same because you refuse to learn. That’s been my experience in these forums.
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Except I HAVE put in the time, 500+ hrs on her, rank 1 3 months in a row and she is NOT the strongest killer. Numbers support it. If someone says she is still the strongest killer they are either trolling, uninformed or simply ignorant. We've provided multiple numbers showing she is the weakest killer overall and I have not seen a SINGLE proof that she is "the strongest" other than word of mouth.
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No everybody that got this map as nurse was a joke. The killer is bugged, alot of bugs that bhvr didn't fix with the rework i mean why bother to fix that? I really do not quite understand why you want to define strength outside of what it is, the killer is bugged so awful that on a map you will simply lose by default. The power comes with ups and downs, you have to consider both. Currently nurse is slamming it at 43% killrate something, looks frightening to everyone.
No amount of skill, hours or whatever will help anybody playing this killer. But for some reason it is about the right hands and not whether or not bhvr will at some point fix the killer.
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So killers get/should get measured by their true raw potential while it's just been brazenly announced the game is being changed for potatoes not hitting greats skillchecks?
You know the true raw potential of survivivors? Even without items, they can outdo most killers with addons. EZ-ly even.
Additionally: its downright stupid how many people dismiss the added cooldown as nothing big. Imagine survivors forced to crouch for a second every 5 seconds lol
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I told him/her why he/she should look at the power for what it is and not for the potential. If you do look at the potential, bubba is the only SSSSSSSSS Tier, cause he could potentially down all survivors with a single use of his power yet we all do know how likely this is to occur.
Personally i despise this double standard, i also made a question for the stream. Watch it being ignored i asked why approach balance for nuse for around 0,1% of players (realisticly even less) while survivors can not be bothered to learn how to hit great skill checks.
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Nurse needs to be re-buffed
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