Decisive Strike?

ShrimpTwiggs · August 2018

I love how these threads always seem to go downhill.

yeet · August 2018

@Speshul_Kitten said:
ZombieGenesis said:

Oh, speshul kitten. Another one to ignore because all he has is hyperbolic "experiences" to share along side slinging insults. Another one for the ignore list.

“Another person with evidence and facts” lets ignore him since we have noting to counter what evidence there currently is. Talk about confirmation bias.

anecdotal evidence doesn't mean crap

pauloandrade22 · August 2018

@feffrey said:
decisive strike has a hard counter you can juggle them every few seconds or hug a corner until you get to the nearest hook.

or just let them all hit it early mid game and after you drop one go for others until they all use it

Hard counter= completely Nullifies said perk or ability

What you stated was a risky soft counter at best (easily hard countered by body blocking.

pauloandrade22 · August 2018

@feffrey said:
that's a common excuse most killers make when they have no argument against DS and why they wanted it nerfed. call the poster a "troll"

i have a thousand arguments but walls tend to not be good discussing partners

feffrey · August 2018

pauloandrade22 said:

@feffrey said:
that's a common excuse most killers make when they have no argument against DS and why they wanted it nerfed. call the poster a "troll"

i have a thousand arguments but walls tend to not be good discussing partners

right next killers will complain about MedKits and teammates healing each other without any medical back ground lol... they're some tough walls to crack

Honestly Desive strike should be in the game if anybody was carrying you you would wiggly and strike the killer.

why not remove mori from the game? no killer should get a easy free kill.

I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

Speshul_Kitten · August 2018

yeet said:

@Speshul_Kitten said:
ZombieGenesis said:

Oh, speshul kitten. Another one to ignore because all he has is hyperbolic "experiences" to share along side slinging insults. Another one for the ignore list.

“Another person with evidence and facts” lets ignore him since we have noting to counter what evidence there currently is. Talk about confirmation bias.

anecdotal evidence doesn't mean crap

Remind me why you’re one of the only killers who complains about every advantage a survivor has? Just git gud noob.

dennyn · August 2018

acho que DS precisa de um buff no skill check, menor um pouco que o skill check do gerador já ta bom, a gameplay de assassino é bem mais fácil que a de sobrevivente, e o DS só pode ser usado uma vez

Orion · August 2018

@dennyn said:
acho que DS precisa de um buff no skill check, menor um pouco que o skill check do gerador já ta bom, a gameplay de assassino é bem mais fácil que a de sobrevivente, e o DS só pode ser usado uma vez

There's a Portuguese sub-forum, you know: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/categories/portuguese

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Baphomett · August 2018

feffrey said:
I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

I thought you were totally against protecting the hook (aka camping). Did I miss something?

Speshul_Kitten · August 2018

ZombieGenesis said:

I'm not sure what amuses me more about these two specific survivors; that they result to name calling when their arguments fall apart or when they resort to deflecting to other perks/offerings when it happens. Or their sad attempts at straw man arguments.

Sounds like you’re deflecting the topic here with being confused at what amuses you

feffrey · August 2018

Baphomett said:

feffrey said:
I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

I thought you were totally against protecting the hook (aka camping). Did I miss something?

there is a difference between face camping and patrolling around hook

Weederick · August 2018

@ShrimpTwiggs said:

I love how these threads always seem to go downhill.

Funny how often they end up about facecamping

iceman2kx · August 2018

As a killer main myself, I don't really care about the perk itself, it's the impact it has on the game. I understand from your perspective why you think the perk is fine. One time use and prevent 1 hook, big deal right?

Look at it from the killer's perspective though. Pretty much every killer has to run Ruin or some sort of gen regression ability. The rate of generators getting completed through the game is extremely fast. It's not abnormal for 2 gens to be completed by the first time you have your first hook. So, you finally get your first survivor down and the survivor uses d-strike, stuns you and runs to another loop. The time wasted chasing this survivor again is just the nail in a coffin because the other 3 will continue to pound out gens while the survivor you are chasing again continues to loop you.

It's bad enough to where it's better to just down a survivor that you know has d-strike and leave them in the dying state (don't hook) just to generate some pressure so other survivors will quit working on gens and come rescue that survivor. If you're close enough to a hook, you can "dribble" a survivor with d-strike if you know they have it. IMO, that's not working as intended so it doesn't surprise me d-strike will be nerfed. That's just one survivor, now add in 2, 3, 4 survivors and this just becomes a terrible perk for a killer to play against.

In the end, you need to play what perk works best for you. No one can rightfully get mad at you for using a mechanic that the devs put in the game. But keep this in mind when a killer uses tactics against you that you may feel are cheap like face camping or tunneling.

FrenziedRoach · August 2018

Imagine for a moment that somebody you desire just said "yes". You're getting ready to release all that passion you've built up and you're ready to go. Clothes are coming off and it's time for that moment

Then suddenly, a SWAT team shows up and ruins the mood before you can complete the deed.

That's akin to how it feels to be DS'd.

The game's chases are long, and often very frustrating. Then, as you finally get a payoff, it's yanked away from you.

That's why it's so hated. That dopamine release your expecting from getting the hook is suddenly denied - and it's enraging.

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feffrey · August 2018

FrenziedRoach said:

Imagine for a moment that somebody you desire just said "yes". You're getting ready to release all that passion you've built up and you're ready to go. Clothes are coming off and it's time for that moment

Then suddenly, a SWAT team shows up and ruins the mood before you can complete the deed.

That's akin to how it feels to be DS'd.

The game's chases are long, and often very frustrating. Then, as you finally get a payoff, it's yanked away from you.

That's why it's so hated. That dopamine release your expecting from getting the hook is suddenly denied - and it's enraging.

It isn't a pay off until you hook them. you can't expect to be paid for a half job

imagine this you put in hard work fixing Gens and unhooking teammates to finally come down to be chased.

the Exit gates are powered and you tell the ones on last hook to leave.

you finally go down all of your hard work for nothing DS gives you that 2nd chance

Orion · August 2018

@ZombieGenesis said:
Imagine if a killer had a power that could reduce a generator from 99% to 0% with a single kick. That's what DS feels like. You've put in all the work, watched as the other side of the game has done their stuff, and you've finally moved forward with the..oh no, never mind. I guess I get to start all over again. And that's just 1 DS on 1 survivor. Forget about multiple DS perks on multiple survivors, flashlight saves, DH, insta-heal medkits, SC...

Ugh. Is it any wonder why killers just want some of this stuff curbed a little bit?

That's why DS needs the following changes:

Instantly consumed upon being picked up
No longer an Obsession perk
Survivor suffers permanently from the Exposed status effect (i.e.: one hit and they go down)

Problem solved. Chase time is cut in half instead of getting a 50% increase, and the Killer gets to decide whether or not he wants to take the stun and have to catch the Survivor again. In other words, the Killer gets the power, as it should be.

feffrey · August 2018

ZombieGenesis said:

Imagine if a killer had a power that could reduce a generator from 99% to 0% with a single kick. That's what DS feels like. You've put in all the work, watched as the other side of the game has done their stuff, and you've finally moved forward with the..oh no, never mind. I guess I get to start all over again. And that's just 1 DS on 1 survivor. Forget about multiple DS perks on multiple survivors, flashlight saves, DH, insta-heal medkits, SC...

Ugh. Is it any wonder why killers just want some of this stuff curbed a little bit?

I wouldn't mind a perk like that called overwhelming despair and can only be activated if 3 Gens are done.

that's is fair because he would have to go to each gen and if Survivors spread out and do Gens that are close to each other first.

it counters the perk.

and what 80seconds is nothing to do a gen

FrenziedRoach · August 2018

@feffrey said:
FrenziedRoach said:

Imagine for a moment that somebody you desire just said "yes". You're getting ready to release all that passion you've built up and you're ready to go. Clothes are coming off and it's time for that moment

Then suddenly, a SWAT team shows up and ruins the mood before you can complete the deed.

That's akin to how it feels to be DS'd.

The game's chases are long, and often very frustrating. Then, as you finally get a payoff, it's yanked away from you.

That's why it's so hated. That dopamine release your expecting from getting the hook is suddenly denied - and it's enraging.

It isn't a pay off until you hook them. you can't expect to be paid for a half job

imagine this you put in hard work fixing Gens and unhooking teammates to finally come down to be chased.

the Exit gates are powered and you tell the ones on last hook to leave.

you finally go down all of your hard work for nothing DS gives you that 2nd chance

I've been that guy, and I accept it as part of the game. That's why there is 4 survivors and why you don't have to survive to rank up. I don't use DS as I prefer to use perks that keep me from being found in the first place. If I got found, then I failed and don't deserve to get away free anyway.

Doing 3 gens worth of work and dying at the end is 10X less frustrating than getting DS'd, I'll tell you that right now. I play both sides.

Abusive Strike is getting nerfed, it's only a matter of time.

feffrey · August 2018

I play killer and dealt with DS and simple downed him again. I was also Nurse so looping and pallet stunning wasn't a thing and I destroy pallets...

how about this change the animation of destroying pallets so that your view can keep an eye o on survivors in front of you

NMCKE · August 2018

SnakeSound222 said:

The Killer is being punished for doing his job. He then has to get looped for a few minutes all over again. It also has no good counters. Enduring doesn’t stop the strike from happening and Unnerving skillchecks can still be hit by Survivors. The nerf that it’s getting is good.

Just kidding! Don't take it to heart! I just love this meme and I can't help but use it here since this thread is a killvivor war on DS!

SnakeSound222 · August 2018

@feffrey said:
FrenziedRoach said:

Imagine for a moment that somebody you desire just said "yes". You're getting ready to release all that passion you've built up and you're ready to go. Clothes are coming off and it's time for that moment

Then suddenly, a SWAT team shows up and ruins the mood before you can complete the deed.

That's akin to how it feels to be DS'd.

The game's chases are long, and often very frustrating. Then, as you finally get a payoff, it's yanked away from you.

That's why it's so hated. That dopamine release your expecting from getting the hook is suddenly denied - and it's enraging.

It isn't a pay off until you hook them. you can't expect to be paid for a half job

imagine this you put in hard work fixing Gens and unhooking teammates to finally come down to be chased.

the Exit gates are powered and you tell the ones on last hook to leave.

you finally go down all of your hard work for nothing DS gives you that 2nd chance

Hard work? Dude that's all really easy! You're either crazy or this is bait.

chemical_reject · August 2018

Nickenzie said:

SnakeSound222 said:

The Killer is being punished for doing his job. He then has to get looped for a few minutes all over again. It also has no good counters. Enduring doesn’t stop the strike from happening and Unnerving skillchecks can still be hit by Survivors. The nerf that it’s getting is good.

Just kidding! Don't take it to heart! I just love this meme and I can't help but use it here since this thread is a killvivor war on DS!

Cyberbully

fcc2014 · August 2018

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

chemical_reject · August 2018

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I don't think @Nickenzie realizes words can hurt people.

fcc2014 · August 2018

chemical_reject said:

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I don't think @Nickenzie realizes words can hurt people.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

NMCKE · August 2018

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I was being nice and told him that I was just playing around lol. Nothing to see here!

chemical_reject · August 2018

Nickenzie said:

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I was being nice and told him that I was just playing around lol. Nothing to see here!

so if I say "just kidding" it negates anything that precedes it?

fcc2014 · August 2018

chemical_reject said:

Nickenzie said:

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I was being nice and told him that I was just playing around lol. Nothing to see here!

so if I say "just kidding" it negates anything that precedes it?

I think jk :chuffed: should suffice.

NMCKE · August 2018

chemical_reject said:

Nickenzie said:

fcc2014 said:

@chemical_reject i think someone was being a hypocritical cyberbully.

I was being nice and told him that I was just playing around lol. Nothing to see here!

so if I say "just kidding" it negates anything that precedes it?

Well, it let's him know that I'm just being playful and don't actually mean it. Now you can't say extreme stuff then say "JK" because it doesn't work like that lol. Even the person I quoted knew I was just being playful lol.

Tzeentchling9 · August 2018

feffrey said:

or the perk will be useless and should be removed.
if Killers can remove one of our perks we should get to remove one of theirs

Are you legitimately being serious right now? Hex perks would like a word with you.

ZombieGenesis is correct. You aren't worth any sort of attention.

feffrey · August 2018

Tzeentchling9 said:

feffrey said:

or the perk will be useless and should be removed.
if Killers can remove one of our perks we should get to remove one of theirs

Are you legitimately being serious right now? Hex perks would like a word with you.

ZombieGenesis is correct. You aren't worth any sort of attention.

do you have any valid argument? probably not... so what about a Hex?
they aren't a problem unless they aren't taken care of. it has a perfect balance

vs Killers whinning about a 1 time use perk that can be dealt with early on

pauloandrade22 · August 2018

@feffrey said:
pauloandrade22 said:

@feffrey said:

that's a common excuse most killers make when they have no argument against DS and why they wanted it nerfed. call the poster a "troll"

i have a thousand arguments but walls tend to not be good discussing partners

right next killers will complain about MedKits and teammates healing each other without any medical back ground lol... they're some tough walls to crack

Honestly Desive strike should be in the game if anybody was carrying you you would wiggly and strike the killer.

why not remove mori from the game? no killer should get a easy free kill.

I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

So now you want me to camp? or what is your argument? (aside from making the killer lose no matter what because of ....... reasons.......)

Master · August 2018

@Vietfox said:

@ZombieGenesis said:
Play killer against a good team with 3-4 DS users and you'll know. Till then you just won't understand.

Also, stop trying to equate NOED to DS. They are not the flip side of the same coin. At all. By any stretch of the imagination.

Stop trying to equate balance (swf) to solo survivors.

Balance is when both sides use all the tools available, and this includes SWF.
If you take a solo group of CSGO players and let them play against a team with voice comms, then this would be unfair too, but nobody would claim that this means that CSGO is unbalanced

feffrey · August 2018

pauloandrade22 said:

@feffrey said:
pauloandrade22 said:

@feffrey said:

that's a common excuse most killers make when they have no argument against DS and why they wanted it nerfed. call the poster a "troll"

i have a thousand arguments but walls tend to not be good discussing partners

right next killers will complain about MedKits and teammates healing each other without any medical back ground lol... they're some tough walls to crack

Honestly Desive strike should be in the game if anybody was carrying you you would wiggly and strike the killer.

why not remove mori from the game? no killer should get a easy free kill.

I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

So now you want me to camp? or what is your argument? (aside from making the killer lose no matter what because of ....... reasons.......)

camping is all up to you and if its your playstyle then it is no difference right?

pauloandrade22 · August 2018

@feffrey said:
pauloandrade22 said:

@feffrey said:

pauloandrade22 said:
@feffrey said:

that's a common excuse most killers make when they have no argument against DS and why they wanted it nerfed. call the poster a "troll"



i have a thousand arguments but walls tend to not be good discussing partners



right next killers will complain about MedKits and teammates healing each other without any medical back ground lol... they're some tough walls to crack

Honestly Desive strike should be in the game if anybody was carrying you you would wiggly and strike the killer.

why not remove mori from the game? no killer should get a easy free kill.

I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
but again your failed attempt to keep the survivor hooked shouldn't be rewarded

So now you want me to camp? or what is your argument? (aside from making the killer lose no matter what because of ....... reasons.......)

camping is all up to you and if its your playstyle then it is no difference right?

Ummmmmm..... what?

Decisive Strike?

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