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So.. truetalent is going to try and prove leatherface is underrated and he has a point.
Truetalent is (in my opinion) the best player in dbd along with otzdarva. True streams dbd for 8 hours a day,and plays every killer to a very high level (besides the hag). Some months ago he did 2 experiments. 1: He did a full day of playing ghostface and claimed he was the third best killer in the game after spirit and nurse. 2: He did a full day of wraith and claimed he was the fourth best killer. When true did these experiments, a lot of people did a complete 180 on these killers and their mind was changed by him. True says that he is going to do a full day of leatherface soon because he thinks he is underrated. True's playstyle with leatherface is to brute force every pallet with pwyf and nemesis and not go for any basic attacks. Whenever he reaches a pallet, he doesn't respect it and revs up the chainsaw and the survivor goes down, because they wouldn't expect it. However if the survivor drops the pallet on him, he gets a pwyf stack, which will benefit him a lot. I am very curious for what he is going to say, when he does a full day of leatherface. You can find a video of his playstyle here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM_LfcW3YL8
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I don't get his hate, he is a very nice and down to earth guy, and a lot of the people that hate him just provide strawman arguments against him. He always brings up very good points on why he thinks said killer is underrated. But, there will inevitably be hate.
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The thing is, leatherface is the same when he wanted to prove the wraith was underrated. These Killers are just very add-on and perk depended. And with that build of leatherface survivors can just pre throw pallets like what they do against doctor. Or the survivors are running the killer through Windows. If leatherface cant change the obsession with nemesis during the game then it would be really hard to win.
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Wait people hate him? Do you know any arguments that you usually see? Either i live under a rock or i just don't pay attention
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Most killers are add-on dependant, and I guess it depends on the player to judge what "viable" means, I count add-ons, but not all add-ons on that killer.
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They think he is an egoist, or they just mock him for saying wraith, and ghostface are great killers. These people usually create a strawman, like when he says wraith is a top 4 killer, some people will say "oMg hE tHinKs wRaItH iS oP".
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Took him long enough to understand how to play Bubba.
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I still remember him in 2016 making assumptations way too quickly, like saying that at the release, Wraith was the strongest killer in the game and Billy was the weakest.
He was too quick on making such assumptations many times, but that was the one that i remember as the most, as it was the silliest.
Also, when I watched few of his streams in early 2019, he still had some problems with understanding certain game mechanics and mostly how some perks work, due to his confusion he thought something was bugged or was completely oblivious to some aspects.
Heard him complain a bit too, but who cares about such stuff.
Thats my issues with him, havent watched him in almost a year now.
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He doesn't assume too quickly anymore, you should look at one of his newer streams or videos.
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Ah That sucks, that's kinda dumb to hate him for that ngl
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Better late than never.
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I remember he used to say Bubba was weak himself. When did he change his mind? Since Nemesis/PWYF became a thing?
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Well, best of luck to him.
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I actually don't know when he changed his mind, I think it's a more recent thing.
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Any idea when he's gonna do the full day of Bubba?
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I don't think he has announced when yet, but soon.
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It's hard to take his claims of underrated killers seriously when survivors he faces aren't doing proper strategies to counter said underrated killers. Whenever he states that some killer is kinda bad one of his arguments is usually that there are many ways to counter that killer's power but then he uses different killer (that is considered bad) and states that he's underrated while stomping survivors who don't know how to properly counter his playstyle.
Defeating survivors that he considers "good" doesn't mean that they are actually good and know proper strategies against "underrated killers" he plays at the time. We all stomp mediocre survivors that are polluting high ranks but when it comes to ranking how good killer is we base those claims of facing good survivors who know the game well.
If he wants to prove viability of these underrated killers even a little bit he needs to face optimal players who play on the same skill level as he does. You can't really be calling out killers viability when you don't face players as good as you are.
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He only uses one single build to prove they're viable in those videos. IMO the killer is not truly viable if you can only succeed with only one build.
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No killers are strong without builds (besides nurse, hag and spirit). Also, you don't need to use ruin and surveillance on that build.
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Leatherface like bottom 3
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nemesis + pwyf is only viable build on leatherface, hes not gonna talk anything special that build is old but only reliable on him.. otherwise hes just a sad joke and meme killer. Yes with that build hes kinda more than that but thats all sadly. He needs full rework, but I doubt due to licenses etc.. maybe they cant do nothing with him
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It's good that he's playing many trials to try and prove this. However, if he's successful, he's only going to prove that Leatherface is underrated for someone with the same skill set as him.
Like others have said, that he needs to face skilled players to prove this, which I agree with. To truly prove that the killer is underrated in a general sense, he would have to find a good number of people of varying skill levels having a moderate amount of success.
Ultimately, I think what tru3 is going to isolate in his experiment is that Leatherface, or any base movement speed killer, isn't entirely broken and is playable. But... that's about it. Also, don't get me wrong, I like tru3, I watch his streams often.
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Oh, i'm not referring the ruin and surveillance. I'm referring the nemesis and PWYF. This combo is the true engine.
Sure, every killer has a optimal build to make them optimal, but when a killer is only viable when using optimal build, it's not truly viable.
For example, if survivors can only win by bringing all meta perks, certain items and certain add-ons, then it's not viable. But in reality, that's not the case, because you can win without anything.
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Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2syX8ZunDFc
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The thing is that when people say that Bubba is in the lower 3 in the tierlist they assume he is unplayable and that you autolose when you pick him
The truth is no killer in dbd is that bad that you don't stand a chance except against the top survivor swf players
I'm sure that with his gazillion hours playing this game he will pull it off and will prove his point that bubba is underrated.
Not strong, not top tier. But underrated
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He is proving that one build works with the killer. If you don't have this specific build, it will not work. That's not the killer, thats the build doing the work. Actual strong killers are not perk dependent. They are strong with their power, and addons.
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If actual strong killer aren't perk dependant, than only a few killers are good.
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I dont hate him, i just dont like him.
I think he is really overratet and many people just say the things he say is true just because he says it.
Also from what i saw he is almost always so damn negative and his name is kinda arrogant for me.
Btw because the Leatherface point. It works, like you said because no one expects it.
But what do you think what happens if everyone plays like that and everyone knows and expect it then? Then he would be useless and bottom tier again.
EDIT: Also always his clickbait capslock title like:
,,THAT....JUST...HAPPENED!!!1"!"
,,ULTRAAAAA GOOOOD SURVIVUUUURS VS MY KILLAA"
and so one.
For me , thats a sign he just wants clicks etc.
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Have you a link to the ghost face stream?
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That's sort of the case...
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IMO any killer with 4000+ hours like Tru3, should be able to make any killer look underrated tbh.
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Pwyf and Nemesis? I don't see the point of that experiment, then. He's basically going to do a full day to prove something that has already been done and proven before about that Bubba build. I'd hardly call this a major breakthrough. It's more like of a repeat.
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That's excactly my thought. People played "his" playstyle way before him but now when he started with it everybody thinks he created it and realize that he is a good Killer with this build.
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He does not prove anything with those kind of vids. If anything, he proves that he is a decent player, but thats it (I would not consider him the best player, not even close, but well..)... He also streams at a time where the general player Skill in this area is lower. The good players mostly play in the evening. I face the same people tru3 does, and during the afternoon they are much easier to handle than those who play in the evening (on both sides).
And the REALLY strong players play at night, from what I can say.
So yeah, his experiment is flawed. First of all, he can only prove something if he would do KYF-Matches against skilled players - players where he knows that they are skilled. And second, if he wins like 15 out of 16 games or something like this, yeah, this is great. But if this happens with every Killer he is playing, can he really say that some Killer is underrated? Or that he, as the player, makes the difference?
He has a big ego and blames his own mistakes on other things. Like, if he loses a game, he is in general quite salty and blames that his opponents where in an SWF or are possibly using stretched resolution. And he is insanely one-sided, despite alway saying he plays both sides. You notice it when he checks new Perks for Survivors, they are all really strong and Killer Perks are always weak.
Like, if I compare it to Umbra (I watch her since a while, even tho I always only catch the end of her Stream), just yesterday she got a 3K with Huntress and said that it was her fault to not check the one Gen which got finished at the end. While tru3 would probably be like "Yeah, optimal team, nothing we can do, blablabla" (if he even would have managed to get a 3K..).
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Killer perks are really weak compared to the effects of survivors perks
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And what am I supposed to see here ? Survivors are constantly out of position, stay on gens until he's right behind them, do dumb plays and don't know the layout of the map, constanlty play into nemesis, do meme worthy plays (claudette) and aren't even close to skill level of Tru3.
It took them almost 4 min to do first gen on midwitch, those all are definitely not sgins of good survivors. And even with ruin up all game and all of their horrible horrible plays they manage to do 3 gens.
They are prime example of bad players polluting high ranks. I'm not saying that they play like that all the time but this match they sucked and it's not proving anything in regards to LF's viability.
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Not with new Perks released. Those were in general better (up until Deathslinger).
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Personally, he often makes mistakes, which is human. My problem is that often he is oblivious to these mistakes and blames it on swf.
He's a great killer regardless.
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Depend freddy and legion are not addon dependent and i believe other killer too are not addon dependent but i cant name them all i dont have the list of all killer in front of me
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Tru is good to watch, but you have to understand he’s his own biggest fan. Anytime he loses it’s because it’s against a 4 man SWF and/or his viewers gave him a crappy perk build to work with.
Meanwhile as survivor his team is always full of potatoes that won’t do gens and that he has to carry according to him.
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So he’s going to prove that Nemesis and PWYF is good on Bubba and helps with some of the weaknesses of his kit? I’m not sure I see the point, people have been saying this for a while.
I agree that Bubba is underrated, in fact I think almost every killer is underrated because the way some people go on you can’t play anything except Spirit at red ranks which is just not the case in my experience. But people are right about Bubba’s weaknesses and limitations. Against most teams you can do well if you’re a good killer player. But this is just Tru3 doing his typical “your experiences are only hearsay and bias but my experience is objective fact” routine.
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Just want to say if you've seen me on here you'll know I've been saying this for months. It's annoying how it takes a streamer to say it for people to actually listen.
The thing about Tru3 is that he is using his strongest add-ons which in my opinion make him almost unbeatable. I'd like to see him only use grey add-ons like I've been using. Spark Plug and Vegetable Oil in particular.
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It can be found on his YT, but here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak3InlK_YJo&t=993s
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The way I see it, all he proves with these killers is that he's a very good player. Just because tru3 got good results with a single killer, a single but LD and a single playstyle doesn't mean the killer is now good. If you play as well as tru3 with wraith and use his build and tactics to hit and run, deny chases and interaction as well as strong add-ons etc then yes wraith is a great killer. But do anything else and he's really not that good.
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This, I mean Otz has been 4k-ing as Trapper forever now it still doesn't make Trapper high tier. Scott won game after game with Speed Limiter Bubba before, didn't mean Bubba was good then either some people are just really good at video games and can win with crap.
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The problem I have with TrueTalent is that
1) Most of his titles are clickbaits
2) The games he shows when claiming something is good are usually the games where survivors are rank 1 potatoes or messed up hugely.
3) Sometimes when he messed up or his bild didn't work he would give the impression like "thats just how unbalanced the game is".
4) He often talk as if he knows a lot when he is actually quite not familiar with certain things
5) His videos are purely effortless (without any edits) and sometimes even pointless. Not educational, just a part of his stream with a click bait title.
I don't hate him, I just don't like how he acts.
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He is probably a good killer and so he can say all killers is good. Bubba or Clown is the worst killer in the game. One persons opinion won't change that. Most people would put Bubba in the bottom.
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I won't comment on his skill or level of knowledge but I can comment on him as a person after watching his streams and youtube.
He has an extremely fragile ego and created an echo chamber around him that's absolutely toxic. You cannot make a joke in his stream without instantly getting banned or perma'd even for the most innocent things.
He frames his streams as being helpful and aimed at teaching people but whenever I saw someone ask any questions, most of the time he would just jump over without ever replying and focus on things that soothed his ego or proved his point. Speaking of Bubba, he was playing Bubba trying to do this thing where he proved Bubba was good (against somewhat bad survivors) and he constantly tried to up the skill level of the survivors in an attempt to prove his point.
At a stage in the game he said something like "it's very hard to juke Bubba when he is revved up like this behind a survivor" and 3 seconds later, the survivor actually juked him and someone in his chat said "it's very hard to juke Bubba he says KEKW" as a joke with comedic timing, considering what he just said came true in reverse - to which he appeared to be very salty and gave a reply to the effect of "I know better because I'm a god and you're trash" and then his ENTIRE community (and by community I mean several subscribers and mods) immediately pilled on the guy, started making fun of him and calling him names and he got banned. That's the very definition of toxicity.
At that point, I un-followed because combined with the way he is as a person and the toxic echo chamber he built around his stream - there is nothing I can gain by watching him and I don't want to inflate his viewership, even by a factor of one.
I would much rather watch Otz or Dowsey than a self-centered manchild with a brittle ego like that.
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The Cannibal
Chasing *
Map control *
Camping *****
Finding a survivor **
Pressure applied ***
Tier - D
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Can you show me that clip?
Sounds hilarious.
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Bubba is literally awful. He is best used for facecamping people you hate, or camping the basement. Having to use up 2-3+ perk slots solely to get downs in a decent amount of time during chase is a pretty telltale sign.
Meanwhile, better killers can stack up 2-3 slowdown / information perks instead. The S tier killers can go into games with total meme builds and still 4k just fine.
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