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So.. truetalent is going to try and prove leatherface is underrated and he has a point.
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This! Tru and a lot of other people can play 20 straight games as any killer and get probably 90% of their games as 4k especially with strong builds... doesn’t mean Bubba isn’t bad
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@SweetTerror you're exactly right! The stronger killers can perform well without perks or add-ons. Bubba really does suck without boosters, consistently
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I stopped watching Tru3 after I discovered Otz and FunGoose. Both of them are a lot more knowledgeable and better at the game.
There IS always an excuse for Tru3 if he's getting outplayed by a group of survivors, solo or SWF.
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Idk... most only get one viable perk or even useable and the rest HAVE to be combined for an entire build to function unless you get one that's an actively detrimental and waste a slot
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I don't think he's a bad person overall, his major flaw is ego.
On his bad rounds, he typically blames multiple different things on the survivor side when in reality he chases a single survivor too long with a low tier killer. He thinks that since he's amazing at the game, that he can try to make an incredibly low rank killer popular because he has this mindset that 'with enough skill, you can make any killer viable.' He only really uses his good matches as examples as well sometimes.
He's not really a bad person overall and doesn't deserve a ton of hate, but I can totally understand why some people dislike him and not believe his claims. It honestly feels like he's a robot for BHVR sometimes to be completely honest, as if he's really trying to make it sound like the game isn't flawed because he's in that Fog program (in my opinion at least).
Overall, he's an okay person and I can understand why people dislike him. Hate isn't deserved, but his claims are outright insane sometimes.
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Other killer players who are better have already done the very same build. Not interested in hearing whining about swf and everything else when people like Fungoose can deliver higher quality, educational content without a toxic chat.
:)
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"Leatherface is underrated and he has a point" - not really. Playing leatherface with his best perks and addons, and ONLY his best perks and addons, doesn't prove that he's underrated. It proves that all killers when using their best stuff can perform well, which isn't a new statement.
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If anything it proves just why Bubba needs buffing. I would like to see True play him without any add-ons or PWYF. Because if he can do that and still clean house with LF, then mad props because he will have indeed proved that Bubba is underrated.
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He's not one of my main DbD content creators that I watch, but I've still watched his stuff here and there when I see it pop up and it looks interesting, and I've heard a couple complaints about him. The two biggest ones I've heard is that he bases a lot of what he calls "good" around being able to pip, and will blame his mistakes on things during the game, like accusing a survivor of using stretched res or claiming he could have done something with stretched res when he could have just played better, or even blaming something on SWF.
I don't think they're entirely wrong, but I don't exactly think it's something that infects every little bit of his content. I usually don't even notice stuff like that but I've seen some examples where he's doing those sorts of things. I would think it's hard to never blame something though, I feel like it's one of those things that a lot of people do without even realizing it.
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Who?
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your comment is extremely unrealistic to playing DBD. Your argument suggests that Nemesis+Play with your food/generator slowdown perks are crutches to Leatherface/playing killers. This is like saying that every survivor should play No Mither every game because health states are crutches and they should not run exhaust perks to bail themselves out of bad situations or use any perks that grant endurance/change your health state. As much as it sucks to be hook-slugged-camped as survivor, it has valid strategy to win. These types of expectations or made up rules as I would like to call them make no sense. Using health states, Exhaust perks and strong survivor perks in effective manner is strategically beneficial in increasing your chances to win against killer. They are tool meant to be utilized. Nemesis+PWYF is strategy that leatherface uses to offset his bad movement speed when reving up a chainsaw and it allows him to land distant chainsaws and you can curve certain loops/angles. You don't need those perks, Carburettor Tuning Guide+Beast marks allows you to do same thing as PWYF at 1 stack and people have known this combination for Leatherface forever. I wouldn't say leatherface is underrated, I would say that Leatherface is just worse Billy with a more limited skill-cap cieling. All you really need to do against Leatherface is use window loops such as T-L wall effectively and predrop pallets to prevent nemesis from activating. Its just that there a lot of red rank potatoes that mess up basic looping and get memed by Hex:Ruin even though totems in this game are in obvious positions 90% of the time.
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tru3 does the Big Brain-Move and plays against Solos and claims that they were an "optimal 4 man team".
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That’s the thing, to get real numbers he would have to go against the same premade 4 man team 10 or 20 times with each and every killer and compare results.
Of course the 4 would have to be good players and try their best, but they would also have to agree not to tailor their builds to counter the killer. No calm spirit against Doctor unless you’re going to run it against Bubba and Huntress as well for example.
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@Devil_hit11 my comment is unrealistic? XD me saying that a Bubba using PWYF+Nemesis combined with Ruin+Surveilance doesn't prove Bubbas underrated strength, instead proves how weak he is to depend on braindead builds to be an actual threat is the most true thing you'll hear said. Bubba is insanely weak! Name a tech that bubba has with his POWER. Now tell me that i'm wrong in saying using 2 gen perks that when combined, always tell you where to be and where to pressure, combined with 2 perks that make chases ultra easy, isn't a braindead build. You eat a pallet, you get a token, they get greedy, they go down. You scare them off a gen/they get off voluntarily, you now see that gen white all the time until touched (yellow then red) indicating to you to pressure it. Those 4 combined make that match insanely easy mode for killer. It does not prove Bubbas strength, it proves his lack of strength outside of the build. A strong killer can play equally as dominating without perks and add-ons, consistantly. Bubba cannot do that feat. To say he is a weaker Billy is laughable lol Bubba has zero going for him other than being up a survivors butt in the open (or just a step away from the vault/pallet) there is nothing great about his power. Hence why this experiment is a joke, and Tru3, once again, is saying something controversial, but entirely centred around bs. Leatherface is not underrated, he isn't strong - this build on him is just his new found meta because it actually make him a scary killer, still outplayable, but by far a scary killer than him at basekit. I don't think you can even say anything back to that really, unless you wanna talk bs too.
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PWYF and Nemesis is from Fungoose bud. Go watch his YouTube vods on leatherface builds. Goose has been saying that on LF for PWYF for at least 2 years now fyi
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two Fungoose’s build (nemesis + pwyf). He’s talked up pwyf on LF for about 2 years now (he doesn’t use add ons on any killer)
i can’t think of a killer that’s good to 4k without perks. Bubba’s ability is the instadown. PWYF plays well with his ability. You have to build killers to their strengths, right? Like, putting pwyf on billy would be a waste, as it would be on the hag. Discordance and thrill go marvelously well on Freddy and his ability. Pointing out that people undervalue LF is fair. Just because most people play LF poorly doesn’t make him awful. Just like how someone can play an amazing Plague, but, doesn’t mean she’s top tier. I’m not a huge fan of Tru3 (he truly looks like he hates the game at this point and is playing to maintain his livelihood, which is fine; but mainly because he changes his mindset too often and it’s really contradictory (e.g., “I never slug” to “you just identified yourself as a survivor main if you’re tiny brain can’t comprehend why I’m slugging”)
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I know fungoose. It's not that specific build true is talking about, it's leatherface's playstyle.
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The play style you cited is how fungoose has been playing LF for at least 2 years
edit: PWYF allows that playstyle, fyi. It’s because you have speed stacks you can make it around a loop and hit the survivor, where as they’ve usually timed it to be able to outrun base speed LF. That’s the “secret” to the build (well, one of them). Pays to understand what’s going on and why vs just copying :)
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Wow, so funny. I like how descriptive you were about your critiques of his statement about ghostface and wraith being better than those killers.
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You need to understand tru3 claims things as a way to get clicks and views :) it’s fine to like him
you could debate Oni, wouldn’t be a strong debate. Saying ghostface and wraith are better than billy and huntress...is called ClIcKbAiT :)
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I don't get how he wants to make those claims for clicks. It's his opinion, and he never really puts anything clickbait in his titles.Huntress is pretty overrated in my opinion (not counting iri head). She has no map pressure, her hatchets are extremely inconsistent and killers like plague and pyramid head outclass her now in my opinion. Billy is very good, but I think Oni is better than him most of the time, as his chainsaw is easily avoided. Killers like ghostface can end the chase faster than Billy with mindgames in my opinion.
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Well opinions are opinions :). Doesn’t mean they’re correct.
and come on, you’re drinking the koolaid if you don’t think Tru and Clickbait aren’t synonymous, go to YouTube and enjoy.
huntress has “inconsistent” hatchets, and Billy’s chainsaw is “easily avoided?” Now I’m thinking you’re just baiting people
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I guess it comes down to people's individual skill when it comes to playing as bubba. I personally don't struggle with him like some of you do. I mean as I've said before, he has a one hit down. How much easier does it need to get? Should he throw his chainsaw so that he can become the new huntress with that one hit down add on?
I find bubba to be an easy killer to play, especially when so many people think he's garbo that they go out of their way to fool around in a match that they get caught off guard. Like literally, when I play as him it's as if the survivors think that they can just run around like nobody's business. Even if they never fool around I still don't struggle with him.
Maybe some of you just don't do well with his play style.
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If I was baiting people I would make a thread about it ;).
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Hag dont need addons or perks to get a 4k against some of the best SWF
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Tru3Ta1ent's ego is beyond this world. His skills are just average in relation to his hours in this game. He is salty all the time, never thinks HE makes mistakes and it's always the survivor's or the game's fault if he loses.
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I am subscribed to Dowsey, lefty, yerv, and ArchdruidDrey on twitch, and those people are insanely good at the game ;). Space coconut and otz is are youtubers I watch a lot as well.
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I remember he found out that the Nurse is slower than any other killer in 2019! It's amazing how you can't know that after such a long time playing this game. There's many other examples like that that proves he doesn't really quite unterstand the game as others do.
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I like amd watch true but the fact of matter is this.
1. The build has been around before true even starting using it.
2. Any skilled player can make even the worst killer look good. Couple that with the skill of the survivors and yeah high skilled killer versus low/mid tier survivors = skilled killer.
Really don't get why thread is so blown up.
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Yeah, I didn't really expect it to blow up either. I don't think much people have been exposed to this build from other streamers as big as true though. We'll see what happens when the full day of Bubba comes out though.
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Fungoose has already done this. That is referred as the fungoose leatherface build.
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Your definition of what a good killer is one that runs no perks and no add-on. This comment is unrealistic. that is insane requirement. I play a lot of DBD and how many lobbies do you see zero perks and zero add-on on both sides at red ranks. A vast majority of killers practically need add-on and perk synergy to win. While I won't disapprove that you can't escape as survivor or can't win as killer with no perks or no add-on. no perk, no add-on games are usually for new people that start just starting the game out at like rank 20 or something. I would say winning without them can be considered more of challenge and I'd go as far as to say that other side mess up on massive scale for you to be successful. There is no tech involved with leatherface, he is a killer that revs his chainsaw and it performs an instant down if you are not next to a pallet or window. most of his skill-cap involves using the perk play with your food to make his power a reliable source of instant down. your entire post makes it sound like anything that the killer does is brain-dead and if so, that is incredibly bias towards killer. You only need 4 perks and a set of add-on and if such a set of perks exist, than you can potentially get good results with that killer. The killer doesn't really need 20 different perk combinations and 10 different add-on combinations to be considered playable. They only need one.
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The irony is Space Coconut has some Hag how-to videos and he spliced in some streamers "changing their opinion" about Hag after his vid, one of them is Tru3 I think, been awhile... LOL
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@EuphoricBliss35 I know there are people that have played PWYF on Bubba for a long time before it became his meta. But my point is, a build that compliments the killer does not do anything to show that they're underrated. Every killer has a build that brings out the best in them. My point is that Bubbas best build happens to be the most braindead thing you can do. Let's be honest here, Bubbas power sucks so badly. It has pretty much only one tech to it 'look down to extend the range'. Other than that, he is highly dependent on getting right up the survivors butt to utilise it. There really is no question about it. Now, that doesn't mean people can't play good with him and be intimidating, but what it does mean is, that in comparison to all other 19 killers in the game, he falls shorts horrendously. Not even the instadown aspect makes up for the rest of his lackluster gameplay.
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@Devil_hit11 you missed my point. What I said was you see who the stronger killers in the game are by examining them at pure base kit and seeing how dominating their performance is consistantly. Obviously I would never encourage or expect to see perkless/add-onless killers be commonplace, thus, that's clearly not what my point was angling towards.
I never once implied all killer gameplay is braindead. I heavily outright stated Bubbas is. You literally just backed me up by agreeing Bubba has no techs to his gameplay and all he has is 'catch up up to a survivor then rev up the chainsaw.' Every other of the 19 killers has a multitude of techs and outplays and playstyles they can utilise to have a variety in their gameplay. That to me is a terribly weak killer. Obviously all killers have builds that bring out the best in them; however, eating a pallet, relying on speed stacks is braindead. "If they drop it I go fast. If they don't they go down"...yeah, way to use all your brainpower with that one, lad. It's just a boring experience to vs. It is criminally dull. You would never catch me dead using a build like that. The fact that it's now become his meta makes me lose braincells just witnessing it.
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How is a guy that calls his opinions "facts" down to earth? Wasn't he one of the people that came up with the "legion should lose his power if he misses" BS?
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I'll never understand why people compare someone who's JOB is to play DBD for a living, and is one of the best and most optimal, and use his opinion as the basis for the strength of something else.
You realize that 99% of players do not play like "the best" streamers who play the game for a living, right? If your 'tier list' or basis for the strength of a killer isn't more practical then your argument for their strength is irrelevant.
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Also Scottjund already did a what...30 4k killstreak on bubba with speed limiter? what is somebody like true going to prove?
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To be fair without Nemesis/PWYF he is pretty weak against good survivors. It's just that with that combo it allows his power to be really really strong. New perks coming up can shake up the meta.
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He's still garbage, the thing is that an experiment during a time where survivors are trying to get their crown is stupid to begin with. He's gonna sweat his ass off with an optimal build against people derping around. The optimal play against nemesis/pwyf LF is to just drop the pallet early and use windows as much as possible if you're not the obsession. If your teammates are not doing gens or if you're on a bad map then it's gg but that's just DBD for you.
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He has stated multiple times it's his opinion.
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I may not be much of a fan, but he is good at the game.
I agree about his view on Ghostface. He's definitely one of the strongest, and Bubba is definitely underrated although definitely not top tier.
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Alright, how do you counter a nemesis play with your food bubba. Pre-throw pallets? With these perks Bubba is easily mid-tier and definitely not the worst killer in the game.
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Are we talking about the same guy? I stopped watching his streams after he came out with the "fact" that NOED players are somehow bad when there's people like marth88 around who put true to shame when it comes to gameplay and then belittled people for not being able to cope with "such facts".
The guy comes over as somebody who'd usually reside in a trailerpark if it wasn't for twitch and he's talking like he's the intelligent one in this community.
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exactly, you prethrow the pallets so he basically never gets PWYF and nemesis. If you wanna talk about a good killer without breaking the game take freddy as your base for a killer.
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Freddy is everything in a handbag killer. He's literally the worst designed and most boring killer in the game.
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"Every other has a multitude of techs". I mean what tech does trapper have. I mean his tech can be summed up into two sentences. you plays trap, If the survivor see them, he/she will avoid them, otherwise they walk into them. What tech does wraith have? I mean he goes invisible and tries to sneak up on people. Although I haven't talked much about survivor, DBD is very simple game. I think that is in part for what makes the game very attractive. What makes the game interesting is little nuances that you have to play around with and how your gameplay experiences change from game to game. Part of the reason why Leatherface relies so heavily on the perk has to do with the fact that his base statistics when rev chainsaw slows him down to 86% and 86% is really slow. Billy by comparison moves at 92% when reving his chainsaw, so in some sense, Billy already has PWYF stacks base kit hence why he isn't really reliant on the perk and he is more free to play around with other perk selections. The challenge behind Billy and Leatherface as survivor is to not play as much around pallets and more around the idea of utilizing window loops to create long chases. I don't exactly see how this is braindead and I think it adds element of advance strategy to overcome as survivor which both has strengths and weakness.
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Once I watched his stream and said that he didn't play optimal last round and that it was not the survivors fault because he commited too hard to one chase as the doctor while people were on a gen next to him. He claimed that I was just an "entitles survivor main" (although I am clearly not, play more killer than survivor actually) and his entire chat witchhunted me. I told him about that and he did NOTHING to stop what was going on, he actually encouraged the people in chat to go crazy over my opinion. Like #########??? That was the point where I personally found out about his bad personality and stopped watching him. That was like a year ago. Recently, out of curiosity I started watching him again but I can't stand to watch him more than 5 mins. He is as salty and annoying as always, thinks he is the best and always claims to know whats up because of psychology theories that describe why other people are wrong and he is right. OMG I can go on forever. I don't understand how other people cannot see how manipulating his behavior is.
Also, his "experiments" prove nothing.
Survivors are stupid. It's easy to win against them most of the time.
Also, have you never watched and other streamers who are actually good at the game? Scorpionz never uses any addons or perks on spirit and 4K's all the time, his Pig doesn't need anything except for a few mediocre perks to 4k most of the time.
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Do you have a clip of that? And yes, I do watch scorpionz.
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Didn't know that freddy had ranged attacks, a counter to DS or straight up teleporting through walls during chases and oneshots. Oh wait you have no clue aboout gamedesign and want survivors to play the stupid loop game, moving on.
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