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Spirit is an unskillful killer, change my mind.
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So you are trying to defend a killer with no counter play and is purely a guessing game jesus christ you dont play survivor.
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As a 50/50 split main on survivor and killer, I wholeheartedly agree. I used to main spirit but she is SO mindless and easy it got boring within a month.
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i didnt say any of that, I said ppl who post "change my mind" posts have no intention of being open minded.
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So anyone that is competitive? I'm guessing god tier nurses stick in your craw as well.
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I agree with this. Play her and you can beat her.
People say no skill, but you are constantly predicting and reading the environment, more so than perhaps any other killer.
With that said, understanding that she is probably going to the most likely spot a survivor is going to go, is her big weakness. Go somewhere else. And please dont fall for that standing still crap, hit the next loop.
And iron will rocks against all killers, it is in my standard build, play it.
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I went against a guy with 2000 hours and i still manged to down him in less then a minute
Spirit isnt that hard to learn if you have expensive headphones + use stridor
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I agree mostly, she certainly does have a lot that takes skill away. But her ability requires a decent understanding of the survivors player and the ability to catch the noise of footprints and predict where survivors are based on that.
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Stridor is a hinderance.
Hours don't exactly mean everything.
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Stridor is really helpful.
I've played against him as billy a while ago and he looped me for 5 gens but as spirit i destroyed him.
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Looping for 50 seconds is a win in my book!
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Stridor is a hinderance. I'm not going to debate.
That guy is the exception, not the rule.
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No need to debate but why do you think stridor is a hindrance?
I was just using him as an example. Ive went agaisnt plenty of good survivors that i still managed to down.
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I play both sides "equally" because survivor queue times during the day are better but prefere to play killer, Im a huntress "main" but I enjoy trapper, hillbilly, wraith, micheal myers, deathslinger and Oni, bubba for memes, and I casually play Plauge and pig but not extensively. Ive gotten all killer adepts at red rank except for Oni, Pig and demo.
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scott put it better than I could ever explain here on the forum. I dont "hate" them for being competitive, i dislike going against them because they're boring. edit linked the wrong video
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I can post them when i come home later, Im rank 1 killer and rank 3 survivor at the moment and Ive got 800 hours, 600 on killer and 200 on survivor. Most of my frustration with this game comes from playing survivor, I enjoy killer way more than survivor. but queue times and sound bugs force me to play survivor more than Id like and all these "complaints" about "killer stuff" is a symptom of that.
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Its really easy to hide from her or use stealth and immerson to avoid her, but when youre in chase against her there is almost nothing you can objectivaly do against good spirits, and I disagree with people saying shes all "mind game". making survivors guess if they should vault a pallet or leave a tile isn't a good mind game because for survivors they have no input on what they should do, and its just a guess that doesn't matter, if you guess shes faking you leave the tile or stand there until she phases, which you cant know if she does, and if you leave a tile you become unsafe and she just uses her power to catch up and down you anyway. which is whats so boring to play against, im sure its hillarious and fun to play as, I play deathslinger with MAA even tho I hate going against that too, and I use crack billy with infectious so I know what its like using objectivaly broken and annoying killer addons and perk combos. Oni was my fav until they removed the flick and I never got back into him when they fixed him because I learned how to play huntress.
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her shards glowing is almost impossible to notice in game when it matters, scott made a video on it if its even possible to notice and its most likely just intentional, you can't see it from a distance at all
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@wallwrecker got banned for some reason? but wanted me to post my "rank" first to be able to talk since you all think im a "survivor main", as if rank matters but here you all go. @Rin_is_my_waifu
dwight is the only P3 Survivor I have. Ive only unlocked perks on the other survivors and keep him as a "main"
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Thanks, but no thanks. I'm all for a discussion on these forums.
I don't want to watch an opinion from someone I'm not in a discussion with.
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So you can't argue any single one of his points? Deathslinger, spirit etc are objectively badly designed killers that remove any input for survivors to react and play against, which makes them boring to go against, and Scott Is one of the best killer mains out there. he got a 30 winstreak at rank 1 with speed limiter bubba.
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Playing survivor perkless is way easier than killer no perks, and I have played both quite much.
I used to play Perkless Freddy on stream for hours, now that was a challenge, red rank OG Freddy no perks,.... but pls tell me how hard survivor is with no perks. LOL
If it was a monetary bet,, I would take survivor perkless over no perk killer anyday - you have better chance of escaping than killing 2+ with no perks.
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Spirit does require some skill to play and I think its absurd to say otherwise. The problem is that when it comes to her power there is no skill expression playing AGAINST her. There is almost no choice you can make based on your personal skill as a survivor that can help you against spirit. You are not "trying to figure out where shes going" you are making a choice and hoping it's right.
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I'm not watching is my point. I don't know any of his points.
You want to regurgitate some streamers opinion to me, then perhaps I could discuss with you, but as of now I don't know him or his thoughts.
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First time playing spirit with addons and more than 1 perk. at rank 1, Merciless killer, they were a SWF. easiest adept of my life, sounds are also "broken" in this patch. lmao. so fun and interactive for the survivors. I filmed the entire match too and it was on cowshed.
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Don't see how this furthers the discussion. Very small sample size first off.
Secondly, I don't think anyone is denying she is a strong killer.
Lastly, you are a rank 1 killer, so you have the skill set of being a good killer already. So you used those skills, and funneled them through her power which gave you a 4k.
None of this deviates from anything I have said.
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My point has allways been that a rank 1 spirit is way stronger than 4 rank 1 survivors, and that its not fun going against her, most of the people here have said "try her first, use her and tell us" first game ever with level 1 perks, i leveld her up just for this post, at rank 1 i got a merciless without sweating, I had to sweat for my nurse adept, shes not a "high skill" killer and how her power works is objectivaly unfun to play against. if a high skill nurse steamrolls my solo queue group I dont get mad or frustrated, they were better, my point is Spirit isn't skillfull.
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No.
You were stronger than these 4. Sorry ranks do not mean that much anymore, red ranks is filled with boosted potatoes and so is rank 1. 4 good survivors will most of the time win against a good spirit.
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4 zubatlels or Ayruns could probably gen rush a spirit and get out, but shes still a unskillfull killer and most rank 1s survivors are complete boosted potatoes and DC against spirits shows her basic design is flawed-
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What is unskillful? Cause you have that opinion about her? Stop tryin to establish your opinion as fact because it is not. There are people who do play killer who can not play her and that is fine. To assume just because it is easy for you it doesn't take any skill or to pretend that you do not have any is wrong.
Zubat made that statement about spirit and survivors, no i will not try to find it. That was even before they changed her addons etc. So yeah people need to step up their game if they want to win against a good spirit, simply holding m1 is not going to cut it.
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thats how you win against any killer, you out m1 the killers potential to apply pressure. literally the counter to every killer.
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Well I don't have a problem going against a Spirit and actually find them MORE interactive than simply running in a straight line/loop. With Spirit I actually need to be more unpredictable and try to get into the killers head.
I did not actually count these numbers myself so this is simply what it feels like to me, but I think my survival rate vs Spirit (I don't include new players to Spirit, no perks, add-ons, low rank) is probably around 50%.
Now I don't really care if this changes your mind but to say she is "unskillful" just means you got outplayed.
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It has literally nothing to do with rushing gens, it is not like a year ago where you had to do that in order to get out against an omega blink nurse.
Sorry spirit is not nearly on the same level as omega blink nurse back in the day and she never will be.
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never said anything about Omega blink nurse, and saying "spirit isn't anywhere near omega blink nurse back in the day" doesn't make my point, or anyone elses points about her design being mindless and unskillfull, 2 blink nurse with Omega addons requied skill to land blinks.
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looping is basically all survivors got when it comes to being chased, out of chase is different, I know spirits design is intended to make survivors immersed so she doesn't find them but that rarely works, windows and pallets are their only resource when it comes to countering killers, because, you know, killers move faster than survivors? if exhaustion worked like it did back in the they then maybe Spirits current design could work, but it doesn't, she definiatly needs an addon tweak, i also think it should be a lot clearer for survivors to know when she phases during chase. as she is right now, she is very uninteractive and unfun to go against.
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You said that 4 zubats or ayruns could gen rush their way out of the game, but that is just not the case, the only time where this was true was against omega blink nurse back in the day. So yeah you didn't say omega but that was the only killer that required survivors to rush. I already explained that your opinion is not a fact, just because something comes easy to you doesn't mean it comes easy to others.
Her design isn't mindless nor unskillfull no matter how much you want it to be the case. She requires to mindgame her, so normal looping falls flat. When people do not get that, not my problem.
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You don't prove someone wrong, that's not how logic works. You provide evidence to support your position.
Anyway, Spirit was already nerfed, and with rampant audio bugs, she's harder to play now for sure.
Good survivors can still beat a good Huntress or William, especially after the Billy nerf. Nurse is Nurse.
Besides, as has been already pointed out, survivor is the real easy mode. A 4m swf with coms who is decent can beat a r1 spirit; I know anecdotal evidence isn't compelling, but I've done it dozens of times.
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you dont mindgame a spirit, she reacts to what you do, and at that point youre going down, you cant react to her at all. only predict and guess and that is boring and uninteractive, and the "your opinion isn't a fact" is a logical fallacy argument, never stated this as fact only as my opinion, and by saying that my opinion isn't a fact to dismiss my claim or my opinion is a oxymoron.
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You do mindgame a spirit, she reacts to what you do , ergo you have to mislead her. You have to make a read, when you can not do that, learn how to do it. Isn't boring nor is it uninteractive. You just can not do it.
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double backing silently over pallets or windows aren't a MiNd GaMe, breaking line of sight and walking back isn't a MiNd GaMe, its a guess, Hiding your redlight, moonwalking or faking pallets, windows is a mindgame, when you don't know what she does you don't react, you cant fake because all she does is listen to you, if you have a good headsett youre good to go as spirit. every killer teaches you to follow bloodstains, scratchmarks and footsteps whenever you break line of sight, it isn't hard just because you cant see survivors, every hit she gets at safe spots feel cheap.
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And everyone who plays the game for more than 100 hours knows that any Spirit can slap on Stridor and all this so-called "counterplay" goes out the window if the Spirit has ears and can tell which side of the pallet you're going for.
But I disagree with the notion she takes no skill. She's just frustrating to go against but I can acknowledge the differences between a good spirit vs. a bad spirit.
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she actually require good hearing and good prediction. game knowledge as well. so she is very skillful killer. against noobs all killers are strong, against good survivors u gotta be good and very skilled spirit to win.
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It actually is a mindgame, do look up the definition of that, i really couldn't care less whether you accept that or not. On the same logic you claim it takes no skill as spirit to do these mindgames, i could argue it takes no skill as trapper to hide the red stain and moonwalk in order to get a hit. See how dumb that is? Both is manipulating the other in order to get the person to make mistake. You can mislead spirit into blinds from a flashlight while she is phasing which will break her out of it, it is pretty calculated on the survivor part. Sorry that you are unable to predict spirit even a tiny bit and take advantage over that, maybe you learn that too.
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alright bud I'd like to see you stomp a 4 man red rank 2000+ hour SWF as Spirit with less than 10 hours on her lol
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i can run a spirt when I have Iron Will for quite some time, it usually ends in her just facecamping me and calling me toxic, or tunneling me out of the game or the weaker players, you can also react and see if a trapper moonwalks or hides his redstain, if youre observant you can read the player if he tries mindgaming and double backing, you can't see if a spirit is phasing or not, and a regular killer sacrifices loosing distance pulling mindgames if they fail, spirit doesn't. she either get a free down or hit, the MiNd GaMe isn't a risk at all, if she guesses wrong she just phase walks and gain all the distance back or get them out in the open where its unsafe, which is cheap, zubatlel got a perfect game by standing still. no risk, high reward. comparing a trapper to spirit as if its anyway comparable when it comes to their "mind game". lmao.
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beating the sweatiest teams with the most amount of hours that live and breath DBD with a killer Ive barely played will prove that she is broken and unfun? Otzdarva did that with Freddy, does that prove freddy is overpowered and should be nerfed to the ground? that doesn't prove anything, whos to say that 3 man earlier weren't the sweatiest? thats nonsense, really great players with great settups will win no matter what, and the killer for those group is nurse anyway if youre a good player. SWF groups leave people on the hook to do all gens, they spread out and make it really difficult for any killer to apply pressure. beating them wouldn't prove anything, and loosing to them doesn't prove the opposite either. sweaty swf groups are rare. Im arguing for the casual solo queue player that takes up 90% of survivor queues.
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Ah yes, on the one hand the story of the killer that gets free hits and can not be mindgamed, on the other you doing just that for 4 gens with the focus on the word "usually". The game you mentioned of zubat, meh, so what? Just further testament to how inflated ranks have become, filled with potatoes.
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well, No Mither + Iron Will exist, too. :^)
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That's true though I definitely agree it's more of a bait post to start arguments.
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it is true, the entire post is just a big bait to get the MiNd GaMe circle jerk to come out of hiding, Im yet to see a valid point or see any spirit mains aside from Top streamers, besides Tru3, that feel spirits is uninteractive or that some of her addons are overkill. as a Huntress main i know iri head and infantry belt is broken, i know hitboxes on her hatchets are sometimes bullshit, because I play both sides.
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