Killer mains, do not complain about things that YOU cause
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Before DS became what it is today, absolutely. Used to be a lot of face campers too when you could block the unhook prompt. Lot of killers argued that was fair before it finally got fixed btw lol. Kind of sad how many killer players thought that was acceptable.
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No. Its just the way they disagree. They blame survivor for it. Its just how it is
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You must play against rank 20s then.
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The fix for NOED?
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The counterplay is camp, hard tunnel ( they only get it once ) ,slug which are all a game mechanic and a killer does not have to use a valuable perk slot to do
The game is killer sided
I have to play super sweaty as a survivor to try and escape
But when I play killer it's like a walk in the park spreading murder everywhere
** As long as your playing huntress or a better killer ***
If your playing a weaker killer , some games can be hard but for the most part games aren't to bad and if your losing too many just throw on a mori for the free win :)
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I mean its hard to say since playing killer and survivor are so different and their are so many variables such as maps. At least for me personally 😅
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I dont camp and tunnel. I still see DS, UB, DH, and BT on most of the survivors each game. so dont blame me.
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No.
People use those perks because they're strong perks, and that's perfectly fine. No need to justify it or "blame" it on other players, if someone wants to use something they should just use it.
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I think DS needs to be maybe 30 seconds at best. However, I feel a lot of killers won't give a damn about how low they reduce the timer on it unless it's the length of borrowed time. I think it would be hard to adjust this perk without making it broken, or useless. I mean, if they reduce it down to 30 seconds itself, i feel like in the time it would take a killer to chase and redown the survivor, you'd never see DS used because of how short the time would be on it. Unless the killer is literally breathing down your neck and your teammates save you off hook in front of him, I'd think DS would probably never work.
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The big problem with DS from the killer perspective isn’t that it stops us from tunneling or camping, it’s because of the time economy of the game.
It takes about 80 seconds to do a generator solo, so if we assume that only 2 players are on gens at a time, where 1 is either being chased or hooked, and the other is hanging around the chase trying to get a flashlight save or going for the unhook, and we assume it takes about 30 seconds to get from a completed generator to the next generator, it takes about 5-6 minutes for the survivors to finish all gens, and this is assuming that there is no toolboxes, none of the survivors hit any great skill checks, and that the survivors never double up on any generator.
With the information that the killers have, if one person brings DS or Object, there is an obsession in the lobby, and we have to assume that every single person has DS, or be willing to just eat it if we happen to down a survivor again after they get unhooked, and we have to assume that their DS is rank 3.
Now if we add up the times, A survivor can be hooked for 1 minute before they enter struggle phase, and then they can be hooked for another minute after that before dying. Once they get off the hook, they have 1 minute where they are basically untouchable, and if you do down them, either they are stuck on the ground slugged until a teammate comes and picks them up, they get a free escape if the killer picks them up, or they pick themselves up in 30 seconds with unbreakable, and if you don't eat the DS on the first unhook, then they have another minute of invincibility after coming off of the 2nd hook.
Add this up, and one survivor, if the killer play around DS, can eat up about 3-4 minutes alone through sitting on the hook, or by having DS active, adding up to about 9-12 minutes throughout the course of the trial, and that isn't even counting the amount of time that the killer spends chasing that survivor, and a good survivor can be in chase with a killer for 1-2 minutes depending on how determined the killer is to down that one person.
If the killer tunnels the first survivor to death, assuming that they get unhooked once, get picked up right after DS wears off, and then get camped to death, by the time that one survivor is dead, again assuming all the things from before, and we assume that the killer downs and hooks the first survivor in the first 30 seconds of the match, the survivors have already finished 4 gens, and are almost to the last generator.
Realistically, this usually doesn't happen in a match, since most people play solo queue, and thus when someone gets hooked, at least 2 people will be going for the unhook unless someone has Kindred and that will lower the amount of gens completed by the first death by 1, since one extra survivor wasn't working on gens. However, when you face the sweatier teams, it is usually worse than this, since you will usually struggle to get the first down within the first minute of the match, and the other three survivors will all be sitting on gens, sometimes with toolboxes, and there are also times where you will get a survivor injured, and then they will get to a map tile that you will have to loop for way too long to get the down in, and you will have to abandon the chase, wasting 30-60 seconds of your time for no pressure.
And this doesn't even account for the biggest issue with DS, being that if you don't eat the DS before the last generator is done, that survivor is almost certain to escape, since if they get hooked right before or after the last gen is completed, the remaining survivors can go heal, and then 99 both exit gates, the last person goes for the unhook. By the time the survivor is unhooked both exit gates are 99ed, the unhooked survivor with DS has one healthy survivor with them to take a hit, and may also have BT to tank another hit, meaning they will most definitely get to, or very near an exit gate by the time they are downed, and if they get downed near the exit gate, they are free. If the killer picks them up, they activate DS and run out, if the killer slugs them, they just crawl out.
DS is so oppressive because there is little counterplay for it, and probably the best way to counter DS is to eat it early in the game, but then comes the issue that while you are chasing the survivor so you can eat DS, at least 2 other survivors are sitting on generators, so if you eat it just barely too late in the game, you likely just loose the game, and if any of the people you didn't get the chance to eat their DS have DS, then they get a free escape.
After all of this, I do agree that some form of DS needs to exist in the game, because even though it was not made as an anti tunneling perk, it does function as one most of the time, and it is important to have one of those in the game, but in some way they need to make it less oppressive, because as it stands, just the act of having DS makes it so that you, or one of your teamates can do almost an entire generator in the time that you can stall the killer, and even if they slug you, you can just pick yourself up in 30 seconds with unbreakable, or get picked up by another teammate if the killer doesn't bare minimum proxy camp your body.
There are many proposals on how DS should be changed, but my personal ideal DS would look like this.
Using whatever is at hand, you stab at your aggressor in an ultimate attempt to escape.
After being unhooked or unhooking yourself, Decisive Strike will become active and usable for 40/50/60 seconds.
While Decisive Strike is active, when grabbed by the Killer, succeed a Skill Check to automatically escape the Killer's grasp and stun them for 5 seconds.
- Succeeding or failing the Skill Check will disable Decisive Strike.
- Successfully stunning the Killer will result in you becoming the Obsession.
- Interacting with another object, survivor, or with yourself, will disable Decisive Strike (This would include healing yourself or others, mending, doing objectives, sabotage, chests, disarming; sabotaging; or helping another survivor out of a bear trap; Jigsaw boxes, Snapping out of it, Pools of Devotion, and Waking up yourself or others, but would not include, Vaulting, Dropping a pallet, or escaping a bear trap.)
- When another survivor is hooked, Decisive Strike will be disabled.
- Decisive Strike activates for half as long, 20/25/30 seconds, if activated after the exit gates are powered.
- Decisive Strike's timer will not decrease while in a chase.
Increases the odds of being the Obsession.
The Killer can only be obsessed with one Survivor at a time.
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Alot of survivors play with adrenaline too though
NOED is the " I've played bad but good thing I have this this one perk to make up for my poor/bad game play"
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Unfortunately in many cases the Killer is forced to "tunnel" (broad term) unless they wanna go full sweat spirit/nurse against decent survivors. It´s also the clever and efficient thing to do, and I know it sucks as Survivor.
You can´t blame Killer players for trying to play well. You also can´t blame survivors for trying to play well. I understand your reasoning behind it. The problem is that the Survivors counter for the Killers action in the form of the DS/UB/ExhX combo, commonly known as the smol pp build, has no counterplay whatsoever as of now other than to throw the game to spite them for using it.
So Killers complaining about having no counter for that actually IS valid since they got countered in the first place.
I myself try to provide fun matches for everyone when I can, but when I verse skilled survivors that have more hours in DBD than Michael Thompson in Prison, u bet I play efficiently as Killer, because I know they won´t go easy on me if I slip.
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2 survivors is a win .....
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Whitesnake - Here I Go Again
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Can you not 4k and depip
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If a deaths linger camps and tunnels me at the start of the match I am 100% equipping ds and in anticipation of being matched with him again. Some killers are way too strong at the hook.
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In 9/10 cases when I get hit by ds, it's after me snowballing, because that's what ds really is, not an anti tunneling perk, an anti snowballing perk. And because of another meta perk unbreakable slugging is no option. Either way my efforts will be reset by one of these perks.
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I think this balance/change is good but it would need to be released with the at the same time as a hit box change
The fact that I can M1 flick my mouse and hit a survivor with almost a 360° is absurd
Or that as huntress I can throw a axe at the doorway and hit a survivor at the window in killer shack
I understand that it's a killer sided game , but to take away DS in such a way to please the 20% of the player base that already has the advantage is just silly
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I don't even camp or tunnel, but I still get D-Striked if I down Survivors too quickly.
And even if I don't camp or tunnel, Survivors will teabag at the Exit Gate or the Hatch.
Can't please everyone, I suppose.
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You can play poorly and noed could give you the two kills need to not depip
Kills you would not of got or dare say even earned
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There is a certain circularity to all of these things. As a survivor main I would assert that a lot of the camping, tunneling, and even slugging occur because survivors cause it. One of the most common scenarios I see in this game is this:
- Killer hooks someone
- Killer starts to walk away
- Before killer is even out of the terror radius another survivor has performed the unhook.
- Killer turns back around to get one or both of the survivors that are literally just a few steps away
This happens not just frequently, but most of the time in my experience. Even if the killer didn't plan to camp or tunnel why would they not turn right back around? A survivor who lacks the ability to comprehend strategy just performed an unhook that told the killer where 2 survivors are, and that they are very close. Why go search for other survivors when you know exactly where 2 are at that exact moment?
Even in those instances one survivor doesn't run up and unhook another almost immediately any killer that has played this game any length of time knows there is likely one or two people circling that hook and they are gonna go for tor the unhook within a short amount of time whether its safe or not.
I'm not saying there aren't killers that intentionally camp and tunnel. It's obvious that happens too. The thing is both intentional and unintentional camping and tunneling are only effective strategies because survivors make them that way. If survivors would do generators while a killer is camping the success rate for camping would go down considerably. You would see less killers camping.
Until the majority of survivors realize unsafe hook removals are bad from a strategic point of view camping will remain pretty consistent, and the blame for that lays with survivors that perform them.
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The problem is that with gen speeds the way they are, in order to win at high ranks you MUST proxy camp and tunnel. If you don't remove 1 survivor by the time they finish 3 gens, you are going to lose. It is ESPECIALLY bad when the first chase typically costs you 2 gens.
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Sorry. Just have delt with to many toxic survivors.
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