The Freddy buffs I want, and why.
There are two main factors that makes Freddy so weak.
The first is the dream transition. It's already bad enough that Freddy is an M1 Killer, but to make things even worse, he's an M1 Killer who has to initiate a 7-second waiting period after finding a Survivor in order to be able to hurt them. 7 seconds is ample time for a Survivor to finish what they were doing, run away, get woken up, or a combination of the three. 7 seconds for the Survivor to prepare, while Freddy stands by helplessly. This needs to be fixed. So what are my fixes?
- Make the dream transition two seconds shorter, for a 5 second default. Five seconds is still ample time, but the difference between 5 and 7 is absolutely massive when Killers are running on borrowed time every match (pun not intended). It gives Survivors much less time to finish their gen, get to a loop or, God forbid, miss a skill check and wake up, causing Freddy to need to reset the transition.
- Make the dream transition cancel all interactions and prevent further from being performed. Again, we're going back to the two big issues of Survivors getting stuff done during the transition or missing a skill check. You found the Survivor; they shouldn't be allowed to sit there and prevent you from doing a thing to them while they get a gen done right in front of your face. If not this, then at the very least make the 50% action speed penalty apply during the transition.
- Make transitioning Survivors unable to be woken up. The transition is already long and painstaking for Freddy as is; giving Survs the ability to cancel it is ridiculous. He'll need to stat a whole new transition that can also be cancelled, further extending his inability to do anything.
- Give Freddy the ability to yank awake/transitioning Survivors. I know what you're thinking: "Isn't that OP? They can't see him!" But see, I think it's perfectly fine, for two reasons. The first is that his only other option is the long-ass transition where Survs can dick around without Freddy being able to do jack. The second is, he has a 24-meter lullaby for awake Survs that gets louder the closer he is. The only reason choosing to stay on a gen when you know the Killer is coming straight for your ass isn't a stupid decision against Freddy is because he can't punish you nearly harshly enough for it. If we made such a terrible play actually have consequences, then Survs with half a brain wouldn't execute it. Thusly, it would be a very stupid play and giving Freddy the ability to yank non-asleep Survs would make him able to punish said stupidity accordingly.
Now, that's just the first reason Freddy is weak af. The second reason is that even after the nonsense that is the dream transition has lapsed, Survivors can very, VERY easily get out of the dream world, meaning they are once more invulnerable to Freddy and he has to sleep them all over again. A few simple, minor changes will fix that.
1. Make healing skill checks of any kind unable to wake up Survs. The only time a Survivor isn't running Self Care is when they're running No Mither. They have literally constant access to the ability to wake up. To make matters worse, the dream world action speed penalty is actually a hindrance to Freddy here, since SC slow+dream world slow=48 seconds for a Survivor to fail a skill check and wake up.
2. Make Adrenaline not wake up Survivors. Like, come on. It's already strong enough against any given M1 Killer as it is. An instaheal and 5 seconds of Sprint Burst ON TOP of waking up is simply too much. Actually, better yet, make it wake them up, but in exchange, make the instaheal+sprint burst not take effect if Adrenaline causes them to wake up. Excellent trade-off.
3. Significantly lower the odds of Skill Checks in the dream world. They happen way too often. In most cases, if Freddy isn't running anti-skill check addons, Survivors who get away from him will need no time at all to wake themselves up. Sure, it tells Freddy where he is, and sure, it sets back the progress of their action by 5 nanoseconds, but again, it leaves them unable to be smacked by Freddy until he goes through the annoying-ass transition again.
I feel like if at least a good deal of these buffs were implemented—specifically shorter transition, interaction cancel, and no healing wakeup—Freddy might be reasonably strong. For an M1 Killer, that is.
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Freddy is already broken and very boring to play against. His WH-ability and invisibility are pretty annoying. These buffs would make him even more braindead for survivors and I'm 100% sure if devs will apply them to him you will get at least 1 dc almost every game. The only way is to completely rework his abilities (devs are already working on it btw).
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@willcenx said:
Freddy is already broken and very boring to play against. His WH-ability and invisibility are pretty annoying. These buffs would make him even more braindead for survivors and I'm 100% sure if devs will apply them to him you will get at least 1 dc almost every game. The only way is to completely rework his abilities (devs are already working on it btw).Freddy is literally the fourth worst Killer but ok.
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I dont think this will make him broken. Itll make him feel more fun. What's sucks is that survivors are going to hate it and then you'll be getting people dc'ing the moment they hear the lullaby even though he wouldnt even be as powerful as nurse or Billy. I would love all of this to be added but survivors will hate it if this is his well deserved buff0
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Taking transitioning survivors off gens nah, just make it so survivors can't do channeling actions that aren't saves while in transition.No_Mither_No_Problem said:There are two main factors that makes Freddy so weak.
The first is the dream transition. It's already bad enough that Freddy is an M1 Killer, but to make things even worse, he's an M1 Killer who has to initiate a 7-second waiting period after finding a Survivor in order to be able to hurt them. 7 seconds is ample time for a Survivor to finish what they were doing, run away, get woken up, or a combination of the three. 7 seconds for the Survivor to prepare, while Freddy stands by helplessly. This needs to be fixed. So what are my fixes?
- Make the dream transition two seconds shorter, for a 5 second default. Five seconds is still ample time, but the difference between 5 and 7 is absolutely massive when Killers are running on borrowed time every match (pun not intended). It gives Survivors much less time to finish their gen, get to a loop or, God forbid, miss a skill check and wake up, causing Freddy to need to reset the transition.
- Make the dream transition cancel all interactions and prevent further from being performed. Again, we're going back to the two big issues of Survivors getting stuff done during the transition or missing a skill check. You found the Survivor; they shouldn't be allowed to sit there and prevent you from doing a thing to them while they get a gen done right in front of your face. If not this, then at the very least make the 50% action speed penalty apply during the transition.
- Make transitioning Survivors unable to be woken up. The transition is already long and painstaking for Freddy as is; giving Survs the ability to cancel it is ridiculous. He'll need to stat a whole new transition that can also be cancelled, further extending his inability to do anything.
- Give Freddy the ability to yank awake/transitioning Survivors. I know what you're thinking: "Isn't that OP? They can't see him!" But see, I think it's perfectly fine, for two reasons. The first is that his only other option is the long-ass transition where Survs can dick around without Freddy being able to do jack. The second is, he has a 24-meter lullaby for awake Survs that gets louder the closer he is. The only reason choosing to stay on a gen when you know the Killer is coming straight for your ass isn't a stupid decision against Freddy is because he can't punish you nearly harshly enough for it. If we made such a terrible play actually have consequences, then Survs with half a brain wouldn't execute it. Thusly, it would be a very stupid play and giving Freddy the ability to yank non-asleep Survs would make him able to punish said stupidity accordingly.
Now, that's just the first reason Freddy is weak af. The second reason is that even after the nonsense that is the dream transition has lapsed, Survivors can very, VERY easily get out of the dream world, meaning they are once more invulnerable to Freddy and he has to sleep them all over again. A few simple, minor changes will fix that.
1. Make healing skill checks of any kind unable to wake up Survs. The only time a Survivor isn't running Self Care is when they're running No Mither. They have literally constant access to the ability to wake up. To make matters worse, the dream world action speed penalty is actually a hindrance to Freddy here, since SC slow+dream world slow=48 seconds for a Survivor to fail a skill check and wake up.
2. Make Adrenaline not wake up Survivors. Like, come on. It's already strong enough against any given M1 Killer as it is. An instaheal and 5 seconds of Sprint Burst ON TOP of waking up is simply too much. Actually, better yet, make it wake them up, but in exchange, make the instaheal+sprint burst not take effect if Adrenaline causes them to wake up. Excellent trade-off.
3. Significantly lower the odds of Skill Checks in the dream world. They happen way too often. In most cases, if Freddy isn't running anti-skill check addons, Survivors who get away from him will need no time at all to wake themselves up. Sure, it tells Freddy where he is, and sure, it sets back the progress of their action by 5 nanoseconds, but again, it leaves them unable to be smacked by Freddy until he goes through the annoying-ass transition again.I feel like if at least a good deal of these buffs were implemented—specifically shorter transition, interaction cancel, and no healing wakeup—Freddy might be reasonably strong. For an M1 Killer, that is.
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@Dabrownman1812 said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:There are two main factors that makes Freddy so weak.
The first is the dream transition. It's already bad enough that Freddy is an M1 Killer, but to make things even worse, he's an M1 Killer who has to initiate a 7-second waiting period after finding a Survivor in order to be able to hurt them. 7 seconds is ample time for a Survivor to finish what they were doing, run away, get woken up, or a combination of the three. 7 seconds for the Survivor to prepare, while Freddy stands by helplessly. This needs to be fixed. So what are my fixes?
* Make the dream transition two seconds shorter, for a 5 second default. Five seconds is still ample time, but the difference between 5 and 7 is absolutely massive when Killers are running on borrowed time every match (pun not intended). It gives Survivors much less time to finish their gen, get to a loop or, God forbid, miss a skill check and wake up, causing Freddy to need to reset the transition.
* Make the dream transition cancel all interactions and prevent further from being performed. Again, we're going back to the two big issues of Survivors getting stuff done during the transition or missing a skill check. You found the Survivor; they shouldn't be allowed to sit there and prevent you from doing a thing to them while they get a gen done right in front of your face. If not this, then at the very least make the 50% action speed penalty apply during the transition.
* Make transitioning Survivors unable to be woken up. The transition is already long and painstaking for Freddy as is; giving Survs the ability to cancel it is ridiculous. He'll need to stat a whole new transition that can also be cancelled, further extending his inability to do anything.
* Give Freddy the ability to yank awake/transitioning Survivors. I know what you're thinking: "Isn't that OP? They can't see him!" But see, I think it's perfectly fine, for two reasons. The first is that his only other option is the long-ass transition where Survs can dick around without Freddy being able to do jack. The second is, he has a 24-meter lullaby for awake Survs that gets louder the closer he is. The only reason choosing to stay on a gen when you know the Killer is coming straight for your ass isn't a stupid decision against Freddy is because he can't punish you nearly harshly enough for it. If we made such a terrible play actually have consequences, then Survs with half a brain wouldn't execute it. Thusly, it would be a very stupid play and giving Freddy the ability to yank non-asleep Survs would make him able to punish said stupidity accordingly.
Now, that's just the first reason Freddy is weak af. The second reason is that even after the nonsense that is the dream transition has lapsed, Survivors can very, VERY easily get out of the dream world, meaning they are once more invulnerable to Freddy and he has to sleep them all over again. A few simple, minor changes will fix that.Make healing skill checks of any kind unable to wake up Survs. The only time a Survivor isn't running Self Care is when they're running No Mither. They have literally constant access to the ability to wake up. To make matters worse, the dream world action speed penalty is actually a hindrance to Freddy here, since SC slow+dream world slow=48 seconds for a Survivor to fail a skill check and wake up.
Make Adrenaline not wake up Survivors. Like, come on. It's already strong enough against any given M1 Killer as it is. An instaheal and 5 seconds of Sprint Burst ON TOP of waking up is simply too much. Actually, better yet, make it wake them up, but in exchange, make the instaheal+sprint burst not take effect if Adrenaline causes them to wake up. Excellent trade-off.
Significantly lower the odds of Skill Checks in the dream world. They happen way too often. In most cases, if Freddy isn't running anti-skill check addons, Survivors who get away from him will need no time at all to wake themselves up. Sure, it tells Freddy where he is, and sure, it sets back the progress of their action by 5 nanoseconds, but again, it leaves them unable to be smacked by Freddy until he goes through the annoying-ass transition again.
I feel like if at least a good deal of these buffs were implemented—specifically shorter transition, interaction cancel, and no healing wakeup—Freddy might be reasonably strong. For an M1 Killer, that is.
Taking transitioning survivors off gens nah, just make it so survivors can't do channeling actions that aren't saves while in transition.
No, if they choose to make a play as stupid as staying on a gen with the Killer near they should be punished accordingly.
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The thing is you dont know where you can go to, because you cant see him. So staying is just as good/bad as going away and running into him 50% of the time.
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@sulaiman said:
The thing is you dont know where you can go to, because you cant see him. So staying is just as good/bad as going away and running into him 50% of the time.In Freddy’s current state, staying is actually better than running because it gives you more time to finish your task/wake up/literally anything that gives you the upper hand.
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They only change I desperately want with Freddy is for Self-Care to not wake you up and for him to have something against awake survivors.
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I can't take credit for these ideas but @hatcreature came up with them and I think there are some better ideas in here then the ones here.
My buddy Nomad and I came up with some suggestions to improve upon Freddy since the Devs stated that he would be next in line with the re-work they got going on.Hopefully they see this because their original idea of his power growing with each person in the dream world made these ideas possible.
Power Re-work---The problem with Freddy is that his power allows him to hit Survs, no one else needs this power because it's stupid so to fix it we just change the concept a little bit. So with every Surv in the Dream World his power grows, so far we came up with this, Once two Survs are put into the Dreamworld at the same time Freddy crosses over in the real world to hunt Survs like any other killer but is sent back to the Dreamworld once both Survs are woken up. This makes falling asleep scary and something no one wants. Also this puts some strategy into Freddy as well, he wouldn't want those two Survs on the hook because it cause them to wake up and weaken him. Yes this still makes his power only useful to hit people but now it's a lot more cooler.Just judging by this it would make sense for something else to happen if you manage to get all 4 into the Dreamworld at the same time but I can't think of anything other than Exposing them all until they can wake up.
Second we thought that once you are put to sleep Survs should become Exhausted because that makes sense, normally people don't feel energized when they're asleep. Also we think that he should not have a terror radius for Survs when they are awake, it's Lore friendly with the character, it makes sense because he is in another dimension like the Wraith when he's invisible, and once you're falling asleep the Heartbeat can be the song, or just keep the Heartbeat it really doesn't matter.
Add-ons---Nomad came up with these really cool irridescent add-ons, they're workling titles.
Soiled Panties---All Survs start in the Dreamworld
Pristine Boxers---All or 4 Generators are only in the Dreamworld. I like the idea of 4 of them because you can do the first 3 in the real world but to get the last 2 to get out you need to fall asleep, you need to enter the domain of the killer in order to escape. A debuff for this could be his natural aura reading ability being disabled but Perks that allow it can still be used, etcThe Dreamworld---I personally don't like the look of the Dreamworld, it's too dark, I literally had to up the birhgtness of my TV in order to play him. Also Freddy's world is centered around fire and gore so maybe things like that should only appear in the Dreamworld and kind of like making it an actual seperate world. This next part would require work but it would be cool, maybe add things in the Dreamworld that are only in there Dreamworld, like stairways or walls, an easier form would be have two randomized maps just sit on each other but one is for Survs and one is for Freddy until he switches into reality of course.
Anyway if you guys like these ideas please get this out there for the Devs because I know one of them wanted to make him more powerful but couldn't think of anything at the time. Nomad and I thought about these for a while and hopefully the Devs see this or you guys can come up with something cooler.
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1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.0 -
Ehhh...don’t agree with yanking survivors off gens while they aren’t in the dream world and I’m CERTAINLY not fond of staying in the dream world during Adrenaline. It is an endgame perk with a one time use, no need for a nerf. Most Freddy players are brain dead as it is and chase the obsession the entire round trying to get those six tokens for Remember Me. At least on PS4, that is one reason most Freddy players don’t do well. Freddy is surprisingly one of the killers I do BEST with. Seems as though I do good with weak killers (Freddy/Wraith).
Make it so Freddy always sees survivors auras when he is transitioning one into the dream world and shorten the transition.
Freddy has a weak playstyle and he is extremely boring to play against. He’ll never be a top tier killer.
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1, 2, and 3 I agree with. I don't think being able to grab sleeping Survivors off of gens is necessary though.
Sadly the only part in the second half I agree with (even then, only partially) is the healing wakeups. If they do it with a medkit, I don't mind. Self-Care, however, should never be able to wake you up. I don't particularly care about Adrenaline, sure it can sting but it's a one-time endgame perk. I wouldn't say no to a minor skill-check decreaser built in, but it should be no stronger than the current Wool Shirt.
Only other changes I would champion for would be to hard-lock his Aura-Reading to outside 24 meters (Small Nerf), but restore the 16 meter Terror Radius he had on release. That's just personal preference though.
Honestly I'm nervous about his "rework." I simply hope that if they do completely rework him, that he ends up in the top tier because otherwise simple buffs like the ones here could easily bring him to mid-tier for far less effort, without compromising his current design as a psuedo-map-control/stalling killer.
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!2 -
Lol nice rant to my nice reply.No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.0 -
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.
4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!
Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designedSurvivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
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No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.
4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!
Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designedSurvivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.0 -
This is the buff he truly needs!
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@Jack11803 That was implemented already! Freddy can hit me when staying 5m away from him and around a corner!! Amazing.@Jack11803 said:This is the buff he truly needs!
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.
I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed
Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”1 -
Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.
I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed
Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)0 -
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.
4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”
Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you?0 -
Oh, Jesus ######### Christ, here we go again.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@willcenx said:
Freddy is already broken and very boring to play against. His WH-ability and invisibility are pretty annoying. These buffs would make him even more braindead for survivors and I'm 100% sure if devs will apply them to him you will get at least 1 dc almost every game. The only way is to completely rework his abilities (devs are already working on it btw).Freddy is literally the fourth worst Killer but ok.
4th? How? I see him as the worst killer.
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Aha, ok. Interesting.No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.
4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”
Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you?
Anyway, gonna do something more useful, like staring at a wall.
Just take a look on the conversation and realize how easily you got triggered, even after agreeing with you on the first 3 points.
U wanna get constructive threads? Reply accordingly, not ranting.0 -
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand. 2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse) 3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives. 4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so. 1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs. 2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers. 3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.” Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)
Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you?
Aha, ok. Interesting.
Anyway, gonna do something more useful, like staring at a wall.
Just take a look on the conversation and realize how easily you got triggered, even after agreeing with you on the first 3 points.
U wanna get constructive threads? Reply accordingly, not ranting.
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4. Well I feel like survivors should be punished for staying near but maybe not just grab them off, how about when freddy puts someone to sleep the only thing they can do are vault and drop pallets.Vietfox said:
Aha, ok. Interesting.No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.
4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”
Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you?
Anyway, gonna do something more useful, like staring at a wall.
Just take a look on the conversation and realize how easily you got triggered, even after agreeing with you on the first 3 points.
U wanna get constructive threads? Reply accordingly, not ranting.
1. Freddy torments survivors in the dream world in the movies and in game he doesn't really do that. I mean it is his world yet survivors can run him around in it. Self care shouldn't wake you up,only med kits should wake you up
2. Adrenaline really hurts him but with block addons it hasn't been that much of a problem for me. It's annoying but they cant use adrenaline if they're already dead
3. Skill checks should appear less. Tu oi have no idea how many times I just touched a gen and a skill check appears instantly so I fell like that is needed for freddy. Or make it so that you have to time it instead of spamming
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Been having issues with Freddy as well and wanted to propose some buffs as well:
Increase the Dream Transition range to his sight range and maybe increasing/decreasing the dream transition with range, his sight is already limited with the wacky dream state fog where it's harder to see things and it's silly that his power has such a short range.
Replace all range enhancing add ons with something more useful like shortening his innate dream scouting distance range, messing with survivors having to make great skillchecks to wake up instead, having to make 2 failchecks to wake up,.0 -
4th worst? Swear most considered him THE worst, with Wraith second.
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People kept telling me Leatherface was worse, so I just put Fredward in front of him. Personally, I’d say Spirit and Trapper are both behind Freddy.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
What the hell kind of Freddy players you going against?
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
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Freddy sucks because of the sleep and dreamworld crap. Just think of a new powers and put everyone in the dreamworld the entire match. Freddy doesn't put people to sleep. If you're asleep youre already facing Freddy. The sleep/invisible crap is what makes him both not but to play as or against.0
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
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@RabidWabbitz said:
Power Re-work---The problem with Freddy is that his power allows him to hit Survs, no one else needs this power because it's stupid so to fix it we just change the concept a little bit. So with every Surv in the Dream World his power grows, so far we came up with this, Once two Survs are put into the Dreamworld at the same time Freddy crosses over in the real world to hunt Survs like any other killer but is sent back to the Dreamworld once both Survs are woken up. This makes falling asleep scary and something no one wants. Also this puts some strategy into Freddy as well, he wouldn't want those two Survs on the hook because it cause them to wake up and weaken him. Yes this still makes his power only useful to hit people but now it's a lot more cooler.Just judging by this it would make sense for something else to happen if you manage to get all 4 into the Dreamworld at the same time but I can't think of anything other than Exposing them all until they can wake up.Second we thought that once you are put to sleep Survs should become Exhausted because that makes sense, normally people don't feel energized when they're asleep. Also we think that he should not have a terror radius for Survs when they are awake, it's Lore friendly with the character, it makes sense because he is in another dimension like the Wraith when he's invisible, and once you're falling asleep the Heartbeat can be the song, or just keep the Heartbeat it really doesn't matter.
Add-ons---Nomad came up with these really cool irridescent add-ons, they're workling titles.
Soiled Panties---All Survs start in the Dreamworld
Pristine Boxers---All or 4 Generators are only in the Dreamworld. I like the idea of 4 of them because you can do the first 3 in the real world but to get the last 2 to get out you need to fall asleep, you need to enter the domain of the killer in order to escape. A debuff for this could be his natural aura reading ability being disabled but Perks that allow it can still be used, etcThe Dreamworld---I personally don't like the look of the Dreamworld, it's too dark, I literally had to up the birhgtness of my TV in order to play him. Also Freddy's world is centered around fire and gore so maybe things like that should only appear in the Dreamworld and kind of like making it an actual seperate world. This next part would require work but it would be cool, maybe add things in the Dreamworld that are only in there Dreamworld, like stairways or walls, an easier form would be have two randomized maps just sit on each other but one is for Survs and one is for Freddy until he switches into reality of course.
Anyway if you guys like these ideas please get this out there for the Devs because I know one of them wanted to make him more powerful but couldn't think of anything at the time. Nomad and I thought about these for a while and hopefully the Devs see this or you guys can come up with something cooler.
- Your first part doesn't change the style of how freddy plays already. All you did was flip it on it's head which doesn't change anything. Also what if they other survivor wakes up while chasing a survivor that was not in dream state. It would cause a constant loop of not being able to hit the survivor in the real world because you would be pulled back into the dream world. Nice try, but we need another idea here..
- The exhaustion makes sense, but does this make going against freddy more fun for both sides like the devs actually want to do with him?
- I do admit the addons are cool and I can't wait to see if they actually do change them in the future.
- The devs already addressed that they would make the dream world brighter for both sides.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
In all honesty, let the devs rework freddy to see what they do with these perks. We don't even know if they are going to rework him from the ground up or just make the quality of life on him way better..
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
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Dear community members,
The changes proposed merely makes Freddy a more powerful, oppressive killer and does not make him more tolerable to play against as a survivor nor does it make him more fun as a killer to play.
I propose removing his lullaby radius and removing the visual and audio cues in the dream transition and make the only notification of the transition be Freddy intermittently appearing. This is scarier and puts more survivors on edge.
I agree with McLean that the innate aura reading ability should be flipped to show awake survivors outside of 48 meters, which shrinks to 0 meters when the gates are powered.0 -
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
I don’t care when and how it activates, 5 seconds of Sprint Burst and an instaheal will always be a HUGE crutch. The Killer technically can catch up to that, but will he if the Survivors had half a brain and efficient enough with their loops to save some for the endgame? Nope.
The way the gay is designed, if you get smacked by the Killer it is most certainly because YOU made a mistake and you deserve to be punished for it. NOED merely makes you punished more harshly. It’s hella crutch, but not nearly as big a crutch as instaheal+5 seconds of 150% movement speed.
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@MegMain98 said:
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
I don’t care when and how it activates, 5 seconds of Sprint Burst and an instaheal will always be a HUGE crutch. The Killer technically can catch up to that, but will he if the Survivors had half a brain and efficient enough with their loops to save some for the endgame? Nope.
The way the gay is designed, if you get smacked by the Killer it is most certainly because YOU made a mistake and you deserve to be punished for it. NOED merely makes you punished more harshly. It’s hella crutch, but not nearly as big a crutch as instaheal+5 seconds of 150% movement speed.
Half the time Adrenaline isn’t exactly helpful UNLESS you are in a chase. If you play stealthy then what is the use for it? Even at that if the killer is on your tail and Adrenaline activates and the killer goes for a swing at the right time you’ll go down to NOED. The survivor STILL has to get to and open an exit gate which at that point the killer will camp to ensure a kill. Adrenaline has been a perk since the beginning of the games release, there is no need to change it’s purpose when it isn’t OP in the slightest.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
I don’t care when and how it activates, 5 seconds of Sprint Burst and an instaheal will always be a HUGE crutch. The Killer technically can catch up to that, but will he if the Survivors had half a brain and efficient enough with their loops to save some for the endgame? Nope.
The way the gay is designed, if you get smacked by the Killer it is most certainly because YOU made a mistake and you deserve to be punished for it. NOED merely makes you punished more harshly. It’s hella crutch, but not nearly as big a crutch as instaheal+5 seconds of 150% movement speed.
Half the time Adrenaline isn’t exactly helpful UNLESS you are in a chase. If you play stealthy then what is the use for it? Even at that if the killer is on your tail and Adrenaline activates and the killer goes for a swing at the right time you’ll go down to NOED. The survivor STILL has to get to and open an exit gate which at that point the killer will camp to ensure a kill. Adrenaline has been a perk since the beginning of the games release, there is no need to change it’s purpose when it isn’t OP in the slightest.
Implying any of these "counters" actually take place or have any semblance of an effect
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