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The promised LGBT characters
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dude its just extremely annoying considering that this is a horror game where that is un necessary
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There are a lot of things in the game that aren't strictly necessary, such as the character backstories. But they exist, and they enrichen the overall experience, and it makes sense to push for representation because it does not properly exist yet in the game.
From my perspective it makes no sense to push back against this, because it doesn't affect anyone negatively. Using the backstories of characters as an example, either you read them or you do not. If you do then you get more varied and natural stories, and that is a positive for anyone reading them. While anyone who doesn't read them isn't negatively affected at all.
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Argument is that if its unnecessary then it'd be unnecessary at all to include any sexual prefs, yet there are explicit hetero characters, hence the desire for the same treatment for homo.
Also I'm not sure if I buy the irrelevance at all anyhow given this game's heavy appreciation for its lore, and how much can they really reveal about any of their characters if they need to dance around such fundamental aspects of the human experience. It's only inevitable.
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Who cares? It's a horror game and I'm killing them no matter what they identify as I'm not prejudice
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no I mean it would be cool to see a new character representing the lgbtq, "but" some people try to force past characters to be gay and etc. and act like its a big deal if they aren't or are, these are character who do not speak or interact in any way other than healing and saving each other so I just don't see it as being neccacery, also I don't want a character where their character "is that they are gay or etc" I would like it to be properly done and done well. Not being shoved in everyone's face is important too. I think the way that its done best instead of just being clearly stated is, telling it subtly through the lore or rifts like "subtle hints" not "HEY I AM GAAAAY AND THATS MY CHARACTER ARC". I am not against diverse characters, in-fact I want more. More races and etc, it just needs to be done right, not force fed diversity.
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"I already said this to another but here you go"
no I mean it would be cool to see a new character representing the lgbtq, "but" some people try to force past characters to be gay and etc. and act like its a big deal if they aren't or are, these are character who do not speak or interact in any way other than healing and saving each other so I just don't see it as being neccacery, also I don't want a character where their character "is that they are gay or etc" I would like it to be properly done and done well. Not being shoved in everyone's face is important too. I think the way that its done best instead of just being clearly stated is, telling it subtly through the lore or rifts like "subtle hints" not "HEY I AM GAAAAY AND THATS MY CHARACTER ARC". I am not against diverse characters, in-fact I want more. More races and etc, it just needs to be done right, not force fed diversity.
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Why do people keep saying "IT'S A HORROR..."
Clearly yall never seen NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-M_s2Q9k0Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncO4Ow8be2UClick me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNcdwqYG9Y
PS: for real though, there's a lot of great critical analysis of NOES2, and even though its easy to disregard those moments as comedic, the subtext absolutely amplifies the horror themes to make the movie retroactively end up one of the best entries in the franchise where taking it at face value renders the work subpar at best
PPS: the general levels of horror knowledge by fans of this game around here feels damn near shameful
(edit: switched video for better one)(double edit: switched video for the BEST one)
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Heyyyy, I understand your discussion, and I totally get it........ buuuut I´m gonna stand up for the devs, because I think (please tell me if I´m wrong) that they do the chapters like 3 chapters prior ( I mean like when they were already working on The Twins, while releasing The Deathslinger).
So hopefully we will get the characters they promised us a while ago.
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All I have to say is that I don't think that any single character in this game is explicitly straight. Some may have heterosexual relationships, but that doesn't mean they are.
I'm bi myself, but due to the fact that I want to have my own children one day I would like to be in a relationship that I can have one of my own blood. The way everyone takes things as cut and dry you would all complain that I was another straight character too.
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I think the problem is, if someone asks for lgbt characters, then it can lead to someone else who is disabled asking for a disabled character and then someone let's say spanish asking for a spanish character, and so on. As long as they just keep adding good back storys and good killers I'm not fussed, as a mum of 2, I'm not asking for them to add a mother into the game.
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Wait a bit tbh most likely it will be clown who will end up probably bi (he tortured everyone old or young man or woman)
Why because clown is based of a real life killer who was gay so yeah.
It's easy to make a killer gay of killer the killer is based off is gay.
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as long as they give them actual personality, not just THIS CHARACTER IS GAY, LOOK HOW GAY HE IS GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
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Imagine complaining about people wanting representation, even though it wouldn’t affect your game in any way but enrich the lore a bit.
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Look at the backstories and rift/tome entries. There is much lore there and why should everything LGBT be excluded? It kinda feels forced when you include hetero relationships but exclude everything else.
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Only when it gives them something to complain about. Not like this game has a story in itself. The whole lore aspect of this game is pretty damn pointless tbh. Nothing wrong with having lore in a game obviously but a game like dead by daylight honestly has NO point in having it.
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agree
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You agree, but you still complain about the inclusion of LGBT+ and call it ‚forced‘...
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Of course, we cannot say for certain that none of the characters are LGBTQ+, although it’s clear that the promised representation has not yet been delivered.
Exactly. I want to add something here: It's important that, even though existing characters may be LGBTQ+, it is openly stated. A lot of LGBTQ+ "live in hiding" because of the very real possibility of ostracization (being shunned by family / society). No one should have to hide that. By increasing the visibility of LGBTQ+, even if it's "just" a video game is important to show that being LGBTQ+ is nothing to be ashamed of and that it is unacceptable for those people to have to hide.
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As far as I'm concerned, characters aren't anything until proven otherwise. Straight? Gay? Bi? Pan? Asexual? Anything else I don't remember right now? We literally have no way of knowing, so why assume? That's not something you do to real people, why do it to game characters?
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Ehh, I would argue most people in real life assume others are straight unless specified otherwise. Not everyone does this but I would say a good chunk of the population.
And this is not necessarily a bad thing because most of the population is straight. LGBT people exist in a small number compared to straight people.
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Not to put too fine a point on it ,but who the ######### cares about such arrogant people? That's their mistake to make, not mine.
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Tbh this is mainly because the lore is diffuse and (sorry dbd team) generally not written particularly well (something that has improved a little In character backgrounds, archive is hit and miss). If the lore were like... Good then it would be a more prominent part of the game.
The characters of Dbd are an amazing starting point for storytelling purely based on how well designed they are and how much the community projects personality elements onto them. There's a lot of raw potential which isn't really capitalised upon by the game at all. I'd love to see this change and honestly, giving the characters more of a real life (including their relationships), would help a lot with this.
In a general response to everyone saying that due to this being a horror game all of this is irrelevant :
Most horror films dedicate their first third to character building so that the horror actually takes root- this is to trick the emotional part of your brain into feeling something when the individual in question is in danger.
Character building is an immensely important part of the horror genre--it's rarely good tbf, but it's really disingenuous to claim that including character information in dbd is some great crime against horror at large.
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I'm kinda 'meh', on the whole situation to be perfectly honest.
I'm not anxious to see an LGBTQ+ character in the game, nor would I be bothered if one was added, its one of those 'not really important' subjects to me as an individual, but i can still recognize how important it could be to others, so I don't see the harm.
If they do craft this character/s, then i would hope it would be something beyond stereotypical, with some real thought behind it, other than that i have no opinion other than some people just need to chill a little with being quick to be utterly defensive on both sides. I don't feel I need representation in this game as a Bi woman, and no, i don't really understand why orientation is important in this kind of game, like a few of your here. However i am empathetic enough to understand that it IS important to some people, and their desire to have such a character has no real impact on me or my gameplay.
In my personal headcannon, Jane loves EVERYBODY ;) . That's why I run an ambulance build, so she can get you all off hooks and run away to secluded corners to rub you back to health!
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If they did, it would just be for the sake of money. They're a company, they don't actually care about being inclusive. It's the same with all the other companies, they do it to seem inclusive. I think its sad that companies do this for money, but it's just the truth.
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This....will be hard for me to explain as this subject can get a little touchy
So devs didn't promise much of anything in that, they just said they are able to do it now
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Are you saying it's a slippery slope? If they can stop at any time, it's not a slippery slope. They've made no promise to add disabled characters, and people will ask for whatever they want regardless of any set precedent. Also, keep in mind that this thread in particular isn't necessarily asking for LGBT representation as much as it is calling out BHVR for what seems to be an empty promise.
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They will eventually do it. And even if they do it for the money, no one gets harmed by it, so whatever. All it does is bring diversity and enrichen the lore, make it feel more natural, real.
and -while the company may not care- the people working at that company do care, you can tell by the way they were talking and writing about this topic.
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I don't totally disagree, but there's a larger context in the LGBT+ community where the message for the past century has been, "You will never be explicitly included -- the closest you can come is not being explicitly excluded, so just be happy with that." And there's a really long tradition of reading into popular media and trying to invent your own queer representation in any space that isn't explicitly claimed for heterosexuals. For a lot of people, it feels like the time has come when that shouldn't be necessary and everyone should be explicitly included in the way that straight people always have been.
In the case of DBD specifically, the message from the devs says that they intended not to explicitly identify any of the characters as gay or straight, but then they messed up and explicitly identified some of them as straight without thinking about it, which they recognize as a problem. The question people are asking themselves when they're frustrated by that isn't, "Are gay people explicitly excluded from the DBD universe?" it's "Are they explicitly included in the same way that straight people are?" And right now, they're not.
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As far as I am aware, none of the characters are straight. Some are in heterosexual relationships. That's a big, big difference.
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I repeat my earlier comment: who cares what idiots think. That's their mistake to make, so don't make it yourself.
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True, there is a big difference. But the point that multiple heterosexual relationships or hints (eg Ace’s cosmetic descriptions) have been mentioned still stands
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Yeah, and I definitely think it'll be wierd if that keeps being the case. I just hate that people so often forget that LGBT+ isn't just LG. That's an appliance company, not a social movement.
Maybe it stems from my personal experience of underpresentarion and getting ignored, maybe I'm just being too sensitive for my own good. I don't know any more.
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Does it even matter? What does sexuality have to do with repairing gens and looping? I play Jake because I picked him from day 1, I don't care what he likes sexually or what his political stance is.
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Yes, it does matter. Maybe not to you, but imagine if every character you played or met was gay, their lore was all gay, and when you asked if someone could be straight for a change you got yelled at for asking too much/told who cares. If you were on the other side of the fence, you probably wouldn't be saying "Why does it matter?" is all I'm saying.
But to unequivocally answer your question, it matters because it was promised and because they're obviously focusing more on lore and character development nowadays.
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Why do you care what gender/sexuality the characters of the game are? Having straight or gay or trans people doesn’t improve or worsen the experience of the game. It’s literally pointless to care about something like this. I’d rather them fix the game than focus on adding LGBTQ characters to please a few people
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I'm saying, that basically, they will keep getting requests to add representation. So it's kind of a slippery slope, because they shouldn't be focusing on characters based off of sexuality and nationality. And technically, they haven't promised a lgbtq character, they suggested they would be open to it. The developers have said they were going to do lots and haven't done it yet.
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But none of the characters are exclusive straight, even if they are in a relationship with the opposite sex, it doesn't mean they have to be straight.
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I wouldn't call people who assume those things arrogant. A majority of the population is straight. Wasn't an estimated number of LGBT people only at 4%? I honestly haven't checked in a while.
Regardless, most people can tell I'm gay right away because I'm feminine. However, my boyfriend is very masculine and people assume he is straight all the time. He doesn't mind correcting them. Nor would I mind if people assumed the same about me.
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Just add a pride of flag charm. Change someone's lore in the archives to make them gay. Tada? Ace already dresses extremely flamboyant there's no reason to dedicate an entire new character to this promise.
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That's not what a slippery slope is though, you're misusing the term. A slipperly slope would be something like "We're giving full control of our creative department to GLAAD to ensure we have adequate LGBT representation." because at that point, they can't stop. GLAAD has control now and BHVR is sliding down the slipperly slope, with no ability to stop.
Like I said, people will ask for things regardless of whether there's a precedent for it. And I repeat myself, this isn't asking, this is reminding BHVR of a promise, so this matter is besides the point anyway.
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Its not a argument, I'm just saying it might end up going down that road.
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I'm not saying what's currently there is adequate. This whole thing started because I pointed out that no-one is confirmed as straight, and assuming them as such is doing us all a disservice.
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Making assumptions without evidence is arrogance, at least in my opinion. And that rule applies to everything. You're pretending to know something you cannot possibly know. How isn't it?
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As I sit holding M1 while repairing generators, the only thing I ponder is: 'Does Meg prefer penis or vagina?'
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Arrogance implies a sense of superiority, self importance, or entitlement. None of which I would call someone who assumes ones sexuality.
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What if the entity is gay and that's why it brings the smexiest guys around. Except for Quentin. Definitely not Quentin.
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Inclusion is a great thing and DBD does this great when it comes to ethnicities. It'd be nice for them to also include LGBT+ Characters.
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Minority representation matters. Nobodies asking to oversexualize a game, I hardly think a line of lore mention a male character had a boyfriend is classed as overly sexual.
As for the whole straight pride thing, I'd urge you to research why Pride is a thing. There's no straight pride because straight people haven't had a history of discrimination, They didn't need to march for rights they've always had.
Nobody is saying adding a gay character to a game is going to change much but it's representation in a heteronormative world and that is important.
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So someone that thinks they know something they cannot possibly know is not acting superior, self important or entitled? Why? Because they are right most of the time? I don't care if it's about sexuality or what I had for breakfast, an assumption is pretty arrogant when you get down to what it means to make one: you have no real information or evidence about a conclusion you are asserting. A safe assumption is still an assumption, and still subject to being potentially wrong.
Not that it stops people from making them, but that's their mistake to make. And mine, of course - though not about someone's identity. I long ago learned that nothing about humans can be taken at face value.
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Stop trying to force this stuff into the game. Isn’t Yui gay, there you have one.
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