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The Coward's Way Out (Suicide on the Hook)
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you know it a video game we pay for (you know to have fun) not like real sport where we play in real life
not fun to stay on hook whole game not getting points when no one coming to help you there no challenge in that or fun
so say what you really mean :I hate that I have one less meat shield to keep the killer busy so I can do gen and get out and win some people don't want to be that meat shield.
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If youre running a mori or some other toxic ######### and my team has no chance, you don't get the satisfaction.
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The only reason I kill myself on hook is when I see my other teammates crouching in the corner hiding from a non existent terror radius and if I go into struggle on my first hook you bet your ass I'm going to let go because why would I struggle when my while team is crouching in corners?
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Yeah sure l am gonna hang around on the hook when not being camped.
because my team mates want to gen rush the killer and not save me.
l feel so cowardly for opting out of a game where no one gives a ######### about me sitting on the hook while the killer is on the other side of the map.
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The only case i suicide on hook is when we re 2 survs remains in game so the other one can have hatch :) better 1 dead than 2
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I know it would be abused somehow but I've always thought if a survivor DCs or hook suicides out of the game before the 1st/2nd gen survivors should get an action speed bonus or something
The dynamic is just completely throw off with only 3.
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Dude trying to be the moral community crusader isn't working for you, just stop nobody takes you seriously anymore.
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As a freddy main i cant help but laugh everytime i load into a match into a insta dc even when im playing like no addons.
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You assume someone took me seriously in the first place? Let me be abundantly clear. When I advise people to play hard, and do their best, fighting to the bitter end, it goes against MY interests. While I play just as much Survivor as I do Killer, I see myself as a Killer main. That means I profit every single time a Survivor behaves in a selfish, bad sport sort of way. I don't see myself as a moral crusader. I compete with myself. I consider the lot of you hobbling yourselves to be silly. Why are you giving me a free advantage?
I enumerated why people should not do this in my very first post. It hurts the Player who suicides; they deny themselves opportunities. It hurts the other Survivors in the match by making their position that much harder (if not impossible), and it hurts the community by eroding Solo Survivor as a group even more than it has already. You know who it doesn't hurt? Killers. So, by extension, it doesn't hurt me. If I want a SWF, I have one. We simply opt not to use Comms, and thus can play clean. So, again, all the negatives that come out of the current habit of Survivors falling on their own swords, doesn't hurt me.
I'm pointing this out because I benefit from the current "stupid" situation. This isn't about morality, although I do feel that people should be good sports. It is about your own vested interests. I'm pointing out that this behavior, long term, doesn't serve the people who do it well. Anyone who believes it does, hasn't really thought the ramifications through. They are mind gaming themselves in a very bad way. But then again, we lie best when we lie to ourselves.
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And this makes perfect sense. This is a tactic, and a perfectly acceptable one. It isn't the problem scenario, as this is taking oneself out on the hook with the purpose of helping the other Survivors and in a way a personal win. It is the exact opposite of people who suicide on the hook for selfish, bad sport reasons.
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I always say what I really mean. I'm very literal. I find life much easier by being direct. Thus, I have no filter. I answered this notion in another post, so I won't rehash, but it suffices to say that I don't need other meat shields. I actually benefit from people behaving in this manner when I play Killer, and since I have a SWF available whenever I want to play Survivor, I don't suffer from the problems caused by the suicides because it is a Solo Que issue. I have no ulterior motives for stating the obvious; in fact, I profit more by remaining silent and just making bank off the stupidity.
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Yes. I take all of that into consideration when I do it. I'm glad you've also begun to understand the ramifications too. I am not, however, letting any of that stop me from getting out of a game with Doctor or Deathslinger or frankly any other killer that takes the reason I play the game out of it - horror (sounds, atmosphere, the works) and reliable feedback on player interactions through good-looking animations.
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I suicide if the killer is camping like a ######### i give him the finger and move on
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actually, you are not giving him the finger, because his game just got easier. Instead, you give the finger to your teammates, because they could use your time being camped to finish gens and get out. If more people did that, camping would become very unattractive. But as long as camping leads to either everyone rushing to the hook and not doing gens or in hooksuicide turning the rest of the game very killersided, they have really no incentive to not camp.
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I had a match a week ago it was me my friend and two randoms. I got found off spawn looped the killer for a minute got downed my friend looped him for a good 45 secs then got downed. No gens have popped at all and I hear the faint sound of a gen. The jake just started the gen and the Meg is just sitting behind a wall doing nothing needless to say we both gave up and killed our self’s.
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what you get for staying in a game where you are being tunneled/camped: minimal points, a depip, wasted time. but hey your randoms get to finish gens....well...assuming they're all doing gens and not crouching around the hook for no reason...
what you get for suiciding in a game where you are being tunneled/camped: minimal points, a depip, no wasted time, your sanity back.
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And a bad experience when the next survivor does in in your next game, and you are there down one guy. Yeah, you win nothing short term by staying on the hook, but by suiciding you lose out in the long run.
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Can we stop ignoring the fact that if you stay in the game against a strong camping killer you give that killer snowball potential that you need a perk to survive get out of? If I'm running no second chance perks as I'm want to do and I'm deep in the thralls of trapper camp the longer I stay there, the higher probability someone gets snared in the trap. If you've played 20 or so matches playing super altruistic god forbid you just don't want people dying on your behalf. It's not exactly cowardice. Even chess has a forfeit option.
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The only time I will suicide on hook is due to the actions of other survivors. Was in a match the other day with a survivor that was intentionally doing noise actions (fast vaults, throwing pallets, etc) near any survivor working a gen, and the killer would be nowhere close. They weren't in a chase. Of course this person brought the killer right to us. Killer downed someone. This person followed me and did the same thing when I started working another gen. I made sure I found the killer and was the next to get hooked. Yes, I did suicide on hook.
I don't suicide on hook unless something like that is happening, but when I'm in a match with a survivor that is sabotaging the team or something similar I'm glad I have the option.
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If they ever add a penalty for killing yourself, I'll straight up be done playing the game. Idc about you game as killer, you obviously just said you don't give a ######### about mine since you don't even know why people kill their selves majority the time. Teammates doing absolutely ######### nothing is what makes me kill myself. If I'm doing all the gens and these ######### are just Urban Evasioning around the map then I'm out. It's funny how you're worried about your fun, but not the Survivors 😂 like we want a useless ######### team. Hell, with Killer you only rely on yourself. So mistakes made are ALL on you unlike Survivor. Dumb post.
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Or penalise points of player’s that do it without the killer being near them
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This is nonsense; outside of the Potato Ranks, Killers don't get to snowball on inexperienced altruism. I'm going to make this crystal clear for you since you seem to not be getting (or refuse to accept) the obvious. Survivors are a 4v1 and an only afford to lose one of their own after a minimum of certain objectives have been met to even still have a chance. Even when those objectives have been met, you are still deeply wounding the chances of the others by checking out.
In short, having some chance is better than having no chance. Your argument that you are just taking the coward's way out to keep someone safe is just another attempt to make excuses or try to dress up being selfish as being noble. We are talking about two minutes of your time. That is how long it takes to get sacrificed on the hook. You stick out that time to give the others the best chance of survival just as you will one game want them to do the same for you. And you know what, more often than not they will find a way to get you off that hook if/when you try. If you suicide you get certain death, and pretty much sentence them to the same.
It is absolutely selfish cowardice.
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More like being practical if you have a good summary in your head of how the particular match is going to go, especially if it literally spawns you less than 10 meters from the killer in a bad spot to boot and you're sitting up there watching your teammates going, "well, frak this match let's put the rest of this minute into another lobby search" while praying you can do it before some douche unhooks you right in front of the killer and forces you to dc or sit through that bs knowing the time is better spent getting a start into a long queue. That's pretty much a "call it a night, play something else, maybe try again tomorrow or by the end of the week if I don't forget" game. I don't blame people sometimes, in fact, I can often tell when it's gonna be a hook suicide from somebody accurately depending by how they got up there and what everybody else is doing. Sometimes it's their fault sometimes it's the teams' sometimes it's both and it's been mine too sometimes lol
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Again, what you call being practical, I call selfish. You don't know what the other Survivors still have to accomplish, what Rifts or Dailies they might be able to squeak out if given two minutes of your time. Some of them might be having fun (imagine that) even if they aren't winning. Just because you aren't having a good game, doesn't mean that they aren't also. Remember, it is possible to have a good game, win or lose.
I agree with you in one respect, you are making the choice FOR THEM and putting the game to rest. Again, that is the definition of selfish, where you have determined what is best for you (make yourself feel better by saying it is best for them) and leaving. I'm all for being practical and pragmatic if it is honest. Too many people try to legitimatize and make excuses for what is the COWARD'S WAY out.
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This guy sees through the speeches.
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<laughs> And that guy in the movie Wallstreet said "greed is good" but still ended up in prison. I want to point out that I posted this thread as a Killer main. I find people who suicide on the hook far less inconvenient than the people left behind. My side of the match isn't a team. You did me a solid. It is the others you left behind that are screwed, just as YOU will be screwed when someone does it to you. This attitude of me first (selfish is good) is great in a system of Social Darwinism when you are trying to claw your way to the top on the bodies of the others. However, I think it is only fair to point out that this game doesn't reward that behavior; it is the opposite of productive for Survivors. Like it or not, you need them to win, or to secure other objectives even if you lose.
The parameters of this game, as far as Survivors are concerned, do not reward the behavior you want to champion.
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<laughs>
<takes drag of cigarette and kicks up heelies>
Immersion.
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i suicide on first hook ONLY if i'm running the killer 2-3 Mins and no gens done and see the 3 others sitting in a corner of the map, wich happens 10% of the games
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If I run the killer around for 5 minutes and not a single gen pops and I get caught of course I'm going to suicide on hook because I don't want to wait to get saved just so everyone can hide like a p3 Claudette at the slight heart beat while I'm getting chased forever. So yeah I'm not staying in a game where my teammates hide in corners
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This game is meant for fun. For whatever reason someone decides if they don't want to stay in said game, they can do what they want. They are under no obligation to be a good teammate as they are playing the game for themselves and their own entertainment, particularly solo queue.
This notion that players have to follow some sort of ethics strikes me as being entitled that you're almost mandating people play in a certain way. People play this game how they want, especially in solo queue.
You're being dramatic by calling someone a coward for not wanting to play a trial that you want them to.
You can have your opinion but not really sure why you're trying to be dogmatic and superimpose your morality onto others. Nothing you said is convincing enough to be anywhere close to objective.
You do not learn from every game. Not every game is beneficial. You are under no obligation to do anything in this game for the sake of others if you don't want to.
People who try to push morals on this game are the worst.
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What a shock; you are one of those people who doesn't care a fig about your teammates and will abandon them at the drop of a hat if "you" aren't having enough fun. It is kind of funny hearing you be honest, admitting that you feel NO OBLIGATION to be a GOOD teammate, quoting your own words there. Yes, I'm the one who sounds entitled and selfish by expecting you to honor the basic obligations of good sportsmanship. I'm so unreasonable like that. :)
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Basic obligations of good sportsmanship?
Can you reference me a source of what that is and giving me some facts about how everyone is meant to abide by these rules?
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Heh. If you don't know or understand good versus bad sportsmanship, nobody can teach them to you now. You make me laugh; there is literally nothing I can say which makes you look worse than you do yourself. Please go on, with every post here and in those other threads you are doing a bang up job. Or, if you like, we can arrange a custom game and let people come spectate and you can demonstrate how good a Player you are... I recall you claiming to be in the Red Ranks. What say you prove it?
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Oof, and I thought I took the game seriously.
I'm not familiar with who you are but you seem to keep a track record of my posts. I posted screenshots somewhere of my ranks, you can dig through it yourself since you seem to be so interested in me.
I'm hoping this is sarcasm because if not this is pure comedy
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If a killer is camping and sitting idle at a hook, I do not blame that survivor for killing themselves on hook.
Why? Because not only is that boring, but in a time when queues are at their worst, waiting for 15 mins just to play sacrificial lamb for that match isn’t going to feel like you got your money’s worth. People want to play the game.
I personally don’t do it, but I don’t blame others for doing it. The world is not going to end because someone suicides on hook.
Keeping it simple.
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I see; it is so appropriate that you would cry off when the gauntlet is thrown down, here in a thread about taking the coward's way out. I remember everything I read; it is both a blessing and a curse. In that other thread, where you also behave poorly, you claimed to be a Red Rank Player. I'm giving you a chance to prove it. And now you claim to "magically" not take the game that seriously. Do you think that fools any of us? You took it seriously enough to be boring and argue with people for post after post when they were trying to help you. Me, I do take the game seriously. I take everything I do seriously. I suppose that is a fundamental difference between us.
To answer your earlier question, although I don't expect you to understand this either, there are only three things you need to do to meet the minimum of being a good sport in Dead by Daylight; they are:
- Don't cheat, either by hacks or lag spikes.
- Finish your games, i.e. don't disconnect or suicide on the hook.
- Be humble in victory, and gracious in defeat, i.e. no salt in end game chatter.
That's it. If you feel these three simple things are too hard for you to manage, why are you here playing Dead by Daylight, i.e. the game you "claim" to not take seriously? Why did you take the time to create an account over here on the Forum and assail us with your nonsense? Why claim to be a Red Rank when most of us can tell exactly where you are by what you talk about? And last but not least, when given a chance to prove your mettle, why are you looking for an out? You don't actually have to answer these questions; we know everything about you already. They are rhetorical. But it is time for you to either put up, or shut up as the old saying goes. Are you ready to put some skin in the game and prove your credentials?
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Last time i checked chess was not a team game. And i would not want to play chess if the queen has the option to quit and i have to play with the remaining figures but highly disadvantaged.
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And I can respect this answer, short and clearly supported. I'm glad to hear you don't actually do it though (suicide on the hook). This demonstrates that while you are a good sport, you can show some empathy for those who are not being one. I'm not that forgiving, not anymore. You and I can agree to agree in that we don't do it (suicide on the hook) and agree to disagree about understanding those that do. In the end, it is two minutes of our time, to stick it out on the hook, which might buy those other Players a chance. Remember, they also stuck it out in the Ques and would probably like to have every chance afforded to them possible.
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Oh boy this is too good.
No one's backing down, I'm just not taking you seriously
I don't even know who you are and you've become so riled up because I disagreed with your opinion and trying to 1v1 me in a game as if this is some honour duel.
I play the game how I want, and I want to improve in various aspects of it. Not sure how bringing that up is a point or anything.
Also, my saying "...and I thought I took it seriously" is meant to highlight that I overestimated how serious I was compared to other people, not that I did not take the game seriously in any respects.
I don't care enough about you to go out of my way to try and validate myself to some ape trying to intimidate me over the internet, particularly one that's being irate and wacky. As I said before since you've deep dived into my posts, you can dig for the screenshots of when I actually did post it.
I actually would've liked continuing the topic at hand but I'm not really interested in arguing with someone being so loony.
Also, I'll continue talking about what I want, and you can die mad about it since it bothers you so much that you follow my posts like some lonely puppy. I hope you continue with it.
I can't believe someone is asking to 1v1 cowshed unironically LMFAO
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Riiiiiight, you aren't backing down... just not taking it seriously. Somehow it amounts to the same thing. I never said it would be a 1v1. I said let's get a custom game going and let people spectate. We will fill out full Survivors and a Killer. The point is for YOU to prove your credentials. You make a lot of bold claims in your threads; I'm giving you a chance to demonstrate why we should place any value on anything you say. :) That is a unique thing about DbD and this Forum, we have an easy way for anyone to PROVE anything they say. Custom games exist. The ability to allow spectators exists. Everything can be recorded and reported here and placed up on the internet for posterity. In short, I'm saying it is time for you to show why we should listen to you. :) So far, your response has been a childish attempt to avoid doing so while not admitting you are backing down. That isn't fooling anyone.
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Yesterday was my wedding anniversary and I only had an opening to play one game. Was in the mood for my Huntress I get a match and I could tell there was a party of 2 at least (Identical names) it was a Elodie/David. The other two I now know were solo which I suspected. So the David spawned near me hit him with my M1, and then he stood by a pallet and waited for a hatchet. After he was hooked I moved on to check gens and interupted kate and Elodie injured both and downed Elodie. Here is where things go left I get into a chase with Kate who is now healed back up as I hit her while I'm cleaning my blade my nurses picks up david healing Elodie under the hook so I chuck a hatchet (clips a rock of course) so I sneak around and hit the David, the Elodie runs into a tree and gets stuck to a hit her too (what the hell) she DC'ed instantly and whole behold theres david sitting at a pallet waiting for a hatchet again. Really bro you didn't learn the first time you got one to the face. I hook him, he suicides, then dc's soon at the last possible second when the hook is at the ****** sky. Really? 3 gens at this point so Kate and Dwight dive underground so took me few minutes to get them out and working the gens. Starting smacking gens, let them repair them all, then after I smacked the hook indicating I wanted to hook them there remaining states. Dwight was skiddish I don't blame him there lots of a**holes out there so I had to chase and down him lol. Then let him go but turned out well. This crap hurts both sides yes survivor more they need a freakin miracle to pull off a match with dc's and killers lose out on emblems score, points, and time.
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Game looks unwinable, there is a claud selfcaring in corner, 5 gens left, two dead hook and Dwight just got found in a locker. Yea I don’t give two craps I’m out peace. Don’t get on someone about ego and being selfish when in the end. Its. Just. A. Video. Game.
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It is just a game, but it is also a measure of character. All of us, I would assume, got the same lessons in good sportsmanship in Kindergarten and on up. I'm a Killer main (although I play almost as much Solo Survivor) and I only benefit from people suiciding on the hook. As a Player, however, I'm interested in playing the game as it was intended. Yes, there are times when your teammates are dead weight. The urge to say "screw you guys, I'm going home" Cartman-style is going to be strong. I'm not going to lie and say I've never felt the temptation myself; of course I have. What I'm saying is that in the end it is two minutes of our time, no more and no less to sacrifice on the Hook. Don't think of doing it for the dead weight in a particular match; think of doing it for yourself and the game on the whole. There are going to be matches where YOU wish they had held on just a little longer to buy you the time you needed to finish that last Generator (or whatever). When the standard is to finish the game, we all profit. Aside from that, that two minutes is your personal brand. Are you a stand up guy/gal, or not? I do understand the frustration of being on the hook; I feel it just as intensely (if not more so being a rather competitive kind of person) than anyone else. I had to STOP taking Kindred specifically so I could not see my teammates; I decided I was happier NOT knowing how they were spending their time. :) How we conduct ourselves in games, just as how we conduct ourselves anywhere else, is how we define ourselves. For me, at least, the odd two minutes of time on the hook is worth doing.
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I don’t get alot of time with my full time job to enjoy games, I play both sides, killer and survivor, If a game looks like its a for sure loss, I am moving on, I rather get on to the next game then drag a rough game out. Everyone else is entitled to do so as well. The only hook self sacrifice i can agree that is scummy is simply just on ones first hook with no one else hook, obviously there are times where it is rather unsportsmanlike to just give up but then there are times were it can be justified. Me personally i only get about 2 hours a day to play so if a game is going south hard, I’m moving on to the next one.
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And I can respect this statement with support as to why you feel that way. I suppose the reason I started this thread is because MOST of the suicides on hook that I encounter (both as a Killer and as a Solo) are on the very first hook. I "wish" it was more a case of someone doing a late game triage, but that simply is not that common. The suicides I get are always the first hook, and it kills me to then have to go through the 3v1 game against poor Survivors who have no chance.
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You could ask yourself this....whats more toxic...this game and his players or the people who defend there actions. But lets brake it down, the discussion is clearly about the actions players make, so where does it start. Does a gamer enter a game with the thought to kill himself on the first hook he gets to see? nope, or does a player starts up a game just to dc as soon as he has the chance? So why does it happen? Well lets take a close look to most games we are playing...as a survivor 80% of your games will be against killers who absolutly ruin this game, slaughter whole teams before they can even do anything, in other words a waste of time and a waste of your ranking progress. But how comes that other players complain about this and think they have the right to decide how you as a player use the product that you paid for? I dont mind having these games, i just leave, on the hook or with a ban, clearly the killer has chosen to make this game suck for al other players involved ( talking about destroying the game for other witch is the main comment of most here when you do it as a survivor) Even as a killer you will be matched up against many players that you wont catch or see, also a reason to dc for some sinds the killer cannot suicide himself on the hook. Maybe we should all stop bitching about who is right or wrong, its a killer and a survivors choice on how he or she wants to play or not play his or hers game. My experience as a survivor...all games i died on the hook ended fast and just as i saw coming, so there is never harm done to other players be me quiting the game, but only by the player that was the reason why i just died on the hook.
stop bitching or start punishing both party's involved, but thats not the case so just stop bitching
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You are precisely the problem. If you don't want to play the game, find another one. Why don't you realize that you are screwing over the other Survivors every time you do this. If you start a game, finish it.
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your right, i'm the problem and should listen to you and stop playing the game....its not the killer who decided to make this game ######### for all other players....a bit the same as a friend of you comes up with a black eye and wants you to punish the guy who gave him that black eye, but then you find out your friend punched this guy first....clearly a case for you were your friend with the black eye is the good guy. and stop playing the your screwing your team card, i dont do social pressure....your not doing it for your self but for others crap. go to the source not the outcome!!
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It is the Killer's job to kill you. No one is responsible for your "fun" but you. If you don't enjoy the game, find another. If you Que to play Survivor you are telling the other Survivors you are there to play and back them up. When you fail in this, it is THEM you let down. The Killer doesn't care; you made his/her life easier. You are rewarding the Killer (whom you inaccurately blame for your OWN problems). Own your failures. You are never going to get any better at the game with your attitude. Blaming others for your own personal failures is the worst way to approach anything.
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Unfortunately there really isnt a way to stop this, if someone doesnt want to play you can’t make them, take away the option to ######### on hook and they will just be afk instead, or refuse to help or worse start to sandbag, not much can be done to discourage it.
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