Why is DC'ing looked down upon?
It is literally the most healthiest way to leave when you aren't having a good time with the game.
I don't think the devs for this game are aware/or see that and probably nor does 50% or 80% of the players that play this game.
"If the game is not fun, then why bother?" Such common sense!
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You know it's a multiplayer game and you knowingly ruin the game for everyone else. It's selfish, plain and simple.
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I agree but if your getting facecamped or tunneled I don't blame you tbh if facecamping is allowed u should be able to dc its a viable thing for someone holding you hostage.
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One person getting salty for whatever dumb reason doesn't entitle them to ruin the game for literally everyone else.
If you don't like that, than don't play a multiplayer competitive game. It's the same reason why almost every other major game like that does something similar.
That isn't holding someone hostage, it won't take long and you can just suicide on hook to leave the game just as fast with no penalty at all; hell you even get bloodpoints for it.
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I mean but literally its a strategy why should you be entitled to staying anyway if anything they should implement a give up option or something its a problem they are holding you hostage. Survivor have to do leaps and flips to get bloodpoints anyway if anything you'd barely get anything.
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It's not holding you hostage. Dude you can be out of the game in like 20 seconds; the fact that you can do that alone in the first place is already FAR more than any game like this should ever give you as an out.
You're being given a silver axe for free and demanding the gold one.
This ^
That's all I have further to say on this.
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The game started taking itself a lot more seriously. When it was peer to peer you could load into a game with less than 4 survivors and it would just auto complete a gen. (If 3 survivors loaded in, you'd only need to repair 4 gens etc.)
You could load in alone and only need to repair 2 gens. No end game collapse. Killer couldn't close the hatch. Killer may also have whispers. Top notch fun!
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well the statements your saying still dont make sense dcing is faster than 20 seconds so what i'm saying is valid no reason to give extra pints to a tunneler or facecamper. It's not selfish because your gonna die anyway might as well not waste your time or anyone else's and not let a killer get the points for sacrificing you instead they get the dcing points. From the way your talking sounds like you practice camping but thats okay not everyone has to go through the frustrating experience of having to watch that infront of their face. -Be better
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I think DC penalty is fine. I get 5 min penalty when my internet crashed. Unlucky, but most of the time I don't DC, so I never get more than 5 minutes if I have some crash. If you expiriencing multiple crashes, you better fix your issues. Your teammates shouldn't be screwed by your problems because it is unfair. If you need to end game because something happen, leave and get your penalty. It is fine because you obviously not going to play next 5+ minutes.
But if you want to DC because you don't like something, it is selfish. And it's fair to give you penalty because you need to take time. It is not fair if you get into next game instantly and ruin another game with DC because you don't like it either. It's fine, you can be selfish, you can ruin games, but you should be temporary punished for that.
This is so simple, I don't know why it should be explained. It's like asking why should I not be an #########?
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I think if your being facecamped its valid tho many times if your being facecamped your teammates will waste unnecessary time trying to rescue you. Also it could ruin your whole day just staying there bing facecamped. After all it is a valid strategy so all in all its not selfish if your being tunneled or facecamped the whole time especially if your not even being a toxic survivor that's my take on it. its like someone staying in a toxic relationship if you had a choice you would choose to leave. If a ######### is bullying you would leave its that simple no reason to stay around and get a headache or get angered because of it.
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As a killer, I've literally had survivors DC on first down -- not even waiting to get hooked. And not as a "sweaty" killer, either -- but in games where I've been playing as a Wraith or Clown, lol (the best example was when someone switched characters to one with a key at the last second and used a hatch offering, then DC'ed immediately when I yanked them off of my Ruin totem as Ghostface less than a minute into the match -- and they had Spine Chill, to boot, so they knew I was coming!). When that happens, it puts me in an awkward situation -- I almost feel the need to give someone the hatch/door, and I almost feel guilty playing a 3 vs. 1. Someone's myopic "I'm all that matters" approach ruins those games for not just me, but their other 3 teammates.
Conversely, as a survivor, nothing is more frustrating when I'm playing with my friend (or as a solo) and someone DC's the same way, for "reasons" (one classic example was when we had someone in our lobby who was streaming and quit as soon as they realized they were facing a Spirit). Nothing like being doomed out of the gate in a game because someone doesn't like the killer, got found first, was hooked quickly, etc.
I can't say that I have NEVER DC'ed -- as an example, once I and my friend did so against a Spirit that had slugged all four people and was letting everyone bleed out and not hooking anyone (she kept patrolling the slugs, slashing her weapon, so this wasn't normal slugging -- we both DC'ed right before we bled out). It would take something extreme like that to hit the "leave match" button. But some people DC too regularly for the slightest of reasons because they only care about how the match is affecting THEM, not how their actions might affect others. That's why it's looked down on -- if DC'ing only affected your game, then no one would care. The four other people who are affected, however, will.
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sure, if it's not fun just leave, and don't come back. why? because you are selfish and only care about your own game experience.
this is what happens when one survivor stops playing and disconnects:
3 remaining survivors now have to carry the weight of 4.
1 killer can't get points from the disconnected player any more and some times that means they loose rank because of the actions of 1 person even when they kill the other three.
3 survivors can not get the unhooks for their own scoring and thus they may loose rank despite escaping the killer many times and getting out of the game.
As killer a disconnect penalty pity score is categorized in the emblem that contains brutality, not the sacrifice.
as survivor it has a similar issue.
So in order to get people to stop complaining about the disconnects you will have to be given the remainder of any points and emblem progress that player could give you. so for killer that means awarding them lots of chaser and extra hooks they didn't get. and also the same for survivor. this is not going to go over well because now people would then say that killers are being awarded X for toxic play. I'm sorry you don't like it when a killer facecamps someone but you do know that when they do it's open season on the totems and gens! get them down while the killer isn't moving. tunnels? same thing! anyways you're going to say none of this matters but it DOES matter.
the issue with only one gen removed instead of 4 players (when only 3 survivors are loaded in) the 20% of goals removed for the remaining players does not equate to the potential 25-33% of the survivor power leaving the match. Even with this, killers couldn't rank up and often ranked down, same with survivors. and both sides complained about it.
first of all read my response a the top of this post. second you actually DO give the camper extra points because they get a disconnect pity point award. If you are on the hook when you do, they also get 200 points for the stage to 2nd and then another 200 points for the sacrifice since you're not there to hit space bar. You also get 0 points and a -1 pip (the latter isn't a penalty) 0 points is so minor of a penalty it's not even good. you said "GET GOOD/BETTER"??? well if you disconnect that means you can't play it. if you're on hook already your dc gives the killer points! and the survivors too. and you become a laughing stock. if you don't like a map, then you best play a map offering to avoid it. if you don't like a certain killer, go afk, let the killer hook you and get out that way, you keep your points, still get -1 pip, and no disconnect penalty.
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The thing your not understanding is that unless your playing a swf it doesn't matter why should I help everyone else when I just keep running into the same camper everyone defends it like another survivor is going to help you. All that happens is that you go down a rank. I'm not gonna sit by and reward toxic gameplay if your gonna tunnel me then ill disconnect even the mods defend it meaning that as a survivor you go through an already ######### experience for teammates that probably dont even gaf. What benefits do you get from staying a rank down and barely any points at all because survivors have to do flips and tumbles to even get a good amount of points. No amounts of sorrys are gonna fix that and its a shame that people even resort to that the only pints they really get are disconnect points and its not a big amount so its a win for them then either way survivors don't have the upper hand tbh. A facecamp just makes it obvious its time to leave,
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But we got punished any way, cuz no blood points, no challenge count, nothing even depipe and still got ban is stupid!!! U say about ruin fun but what else I can do when killer just slug down all survs as soon as they got picked got slug again is it fun???
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How you can suicide when you are slugged and left on the ground???
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I'm on the fence about it. The only reason people ever give is "because you ruin the game for others." But these same people are the ones who come at you with "your fun isn't my responsibility."
Like what??
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I'm on the fence about it. The only reason people ever give is "because you ruin the game for others." But these same people are the ones who come at you with "your fun isn't my responsibility."
Like what??
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fine... lets get into a match where you stick it out and I dc for no reason. how would you like it? how would the other people like it? wow... you are entitled aren't you? thinking that your enjoyment is more important than others.. why not go play a single player game where you won't have to worry about what others think and you can disconnect anytime you get mad at the game for not letting you win! oh yea great person you are. No one defends it what so ever, they just say it's not a legit reason to leave a match, everyone talking about it says it SUCKS when it is you. but if you do that you reward the killer because for 2 minutes you could keep the killer there, then as you leave you might see 2 more gens complete and a totem or two cleansed. and the team left could easily get out because they have 1-2 gens remaining and the killer might get one more kill. because he'd then be camping that person too. It is not an "ILLEGAL" strat as it is specifically not denied by the rules. Originally camping was even worse because you could ONLY unhook from the FRONT! this is where camping really killed the game, and there was no hatch what so ever.
so do you like it when someone just leaves you to do 5 gens with 3 people? doubt it!
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Did you read my post at all? Read the post first maybe?
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Think of it this way. How many other games that you play that don't have a matchmaking to re-add another player give you a penalty? Most ranked games will give you a penalty plain and simple. The games aren't super long anyway so what's the actual point of dcing?
If you're getting that frustrated that you resort to what is essentially rage quitting you deserve a penalty.
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you want to dc for what ever reason, i offered to be the one in YOUR match to just dc for what ever reason and I doubt you'd like it. this post is also about camping. You get put on the hook and then DC, you ARE rewarding them from playing like this. I went over it. let me go into detail:
normal: 500 per hook, 200 for each stage of hook state and 200 for sacrifice. so that's first hook kill 1100 points for the killer.
dc after hook: 500 for the hook, 200 for first stage, (now dc happens) game stages you to 2nd stage resulting in 200 more points, then game stages you to sacrifice as you didn't struggle, another 200. also at the same time the killer get 600 points for the disconnect. so you just gave him 1700 points. how is this not a reward? lol math is your friend.
you asked me if I read your post, and you kept spewing the same nonsense i've heard for over a year about disconnects and they have already been refuted many times over. you talk about solo play, fine you are in a match and you get someone disconnecting for no reason, and i bet you complain to the nth degree about that person but you want to be able to dc and no one should even complain because you have the RIGHT to disconnect from any game you don't like. so I say this, by all means disconnect, do not complain to me (and this includes going to a forum and complaining about it where I can read it) about your penalties because you broke the rules of the game, and then just find a new game that you'll like better... bet you'll find something to not like about the game even then). You telling me I am not understanding your ideas that is wrong too, I understand them and have refuted them many times before, so yes I did read your post.
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Read the post maybe?
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ohhh i didn't read the post.... i'm sooo sorry but thing is I LIED.. I did read the post and I replied to it all... you are the one not reading my reply and understanding where I am coming from. I can not force you to do so but I understand and sympathize where you are coming from but you are not even TRYING to understand or even see my point... what will you say next? have I ever played dbd? that would be a great question to ask.
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Ok so did my post talk about random dcing because it seems that's what you were talking about.I dont dc on first down but facecamping is the limit for me a facecamper. My question is what you were talking about had nothing to do with what I said. Thats why im saying this. If someone randomly dcs I would be mad but I would understand you dcing if the killer was constantly tunneling you. I have seen survivor get tunneled and dc and its ok if they did.
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yes I read your original post and I talked about how disconnecting after being on the hook gave the killer the points you tried to deny them and then some yet you won't acknowledge that. I know it's because you don't like to loose an argument but by doing what you're doing you reward them with more points. why not just take your attempts to get out and letting the game get rid of you from that match so you can do it again? oh wait you don't want to reward them so by giving up so quickly you reward the killer by letting them move on to the next survivor, why not wait the 2 minutes out and get your full struggle points, no dc penalty and you punished the killer because 1) they get emblem hits for being that close to you for that long, 2) they don't get chase points from the other survivors, and the gens get done faster. sounds like a better way to do it because how better to punish them than by not giving them points by keeping them at your hook!
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I shouldn't be punished for dcing anyway the creators actively encourage tunneling and facecamping as a strategy. Then the people who facecamp are the same ones getting mad at ppl for running ds but if you play nicely your still camped and tunneled honestly killer are toxic asf. The same ones say your fun is not my responsibility and play like a #########. All ima say is that Dcing is valid if someone is tunneling u can dcing or facecamping u can dc bc in the end u barely get bloodpoints anyway. You might as well play killer and get bloodpoints for doing nothing.
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you broke the game rules did you not? if you break a rule in a game are you not punished by the rules? please show me a pvp game that does not have rules about disconnects? there are none they all have rules about it and varying punishments for it. and dbd is mild in comparison. the only reason a dc should be allowed is if it is a game breaking bug, or to a lesser extent something causing extreme stress on the player like an intense clown phobia. but even that latter one is iffy becuase they know a clown is part of the game.
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Wait who are you to determine the conditions and whose opinion and feelings are valid or not. If it is causing someone extreme distress they should leave should they not? I shouldn't have to stay and get a headache because an entitled person decides what I should do. If its causing emotional tension I should be able to leave no problem. There should be an optional thing besides dcing to leave the game but if not then dcing is it.
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I mean, not really. When you DC it makes that person feel better. Just stating facts here mate, but if you want to make it worse for others, be my guest.
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i even said he latter instance is iffy because anyone can CLAIM x or y but not be truthful. I just said those are the reasons that are acceptable for a dc. I did not say anything more, if you can prove your phobia causes intense distress to the point of your life is in danger then that is one thing i would accept, but just because you are upset you are being slugged, camped, tunneled, this is not acceptable as the rules have not been broken. fine, if you want disconnects to be allowed then the killer is awarded all remaining hook points, all remaining chase points and every point you could have given them in the game. oh wait then the killer would make iri emblems and it'd be unfair!!! so what will you do to make up for the fact you broke the game rules? what is the penalty for cheating in soccer, wrestling, basketball or any other game out there? oh yea hefty fines and potential removal from the game or even for good. so i hope you see that a 5 minute penalty is soft in comparison even when what you did will cause people to derank intentionally.
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those are sports? Im tryna ask what is your point im saying that your invalidating the fact that its valid to dc if your being tunneled are facecamped especially if you are in a solo queue. So that my point in this. sports has nothing to do with it. Your fun is not my responsibility many killers say that well I am am also saying that many teammates sit around the hook to for no reason instead of working on gens so after all it is to the killers benefit. With that goes the fact that as a solo player you get no benefit at all and your barely getting any blood points also if you get tunneled early in the game you'll depip so dcing can prevent that also. Why should I suffer because someone wants to tunnel? Face Camping while I depip definitely not.
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As survivor because you ######### over the rest of your team.
As killer idk, I guess it makes survivors mad because they have to wait in queue again for 10+ min.
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it is not valid to dc because a killer is tunneling because the stated rules you agree to before you even play dbd state that it is against the rules to disconnect or leave the match before a natural outcome (sac/escape) occurs. this has been proven you get to go find it on these very forums where the rules state this is against the rules thus it is not valid to disconnect with the exception of something out of your control (game breaking bug). enjoy learning what else you are doing wrong.
you say "Your fun is not my responsibility" well your fun is not the killer's responsibility, thus if they tunnel you and the rules don't disallow it then your dc which is expressly disallowed is not valid. if they camp you, your fun is not their responsibility, and your dc is still not valid yet their camping you is valid as the rules do not disallow it. you have now lost your argument with those 6 words. you just took your last hook. enjoy it because your fun is not my responsibility.
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See this right here proved my point with six word you literally just proved it. You just repeated my statement.
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I did not repeat it except to prove the point. I used your words and the rules as stated against you. I then made a scarcastic comment with your words. your point is disproven and if you can not take having it disproved i'd suggest you get off the forums because you've been saying lots that is incorrect and can be proven so.
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Yes to prove my point. Unless you didn't read what I said.
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Because it's not a single player game?
Here's a thought.... If you're having a bad night in Dbd, just... STOP PLAYING. Log off, go play something relaxing, or hang out with your cat, or jump rope.
When you DC, you screw four other people you entered a game with. If you DC over and over, you absolutely deserve to be looked down upon... You keep forcing people to deal with that crap because you're having an "unhealthy time", and then immediately exposing yourself to it again and again, just for the same results. There's no high road to take in that situation.
Face camping isn't "being held hostage", it's getting stuck for 2 minutes before you can find another round, 2 minutes in which your teammates COULD Have finished 1.5 generators EACH, except you DCed, so now they have no Gen advantage, and the killer doesn't have to stand there letting them do it any more.
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You're the very person they're talking about when they say that people say "your fun is not my responsibility."
Okay, my fun is not your responsibility. Got it, killers.
But why does yours have to be mine? If my leaving ruins your game, too bad, right?
This is the real selfishness right here. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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This entire thread is full of hypocrisy.
To sum it up all I'm reading is:
"Let me make sure you have a complete miserable game. Your fun isn't my responsibility! ... oh no! You DCd because of it? You ruined my entire game now! You're absolute scum of the earth for ruining my fun!"
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The thing is you are comparing two arguments made from different team-sides in the game. You ruin the game for your own teammates, potatoes or not. And the other team, here either the killer or survivor , isn't there for your "fun" but to win themselves.
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Cause you gonna ruin and hurt some internet stranger feelings
who cares tbh its just a 5 min penalty, if you dont wanna play the trial just leave. Dont play a game unless you enjoy it, in the end up of the day games are made for entertainment, and if you are not entertained then no one can force you to stay
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In my opinion, I think they should remove the DC penalty and refined it instead of putting a blanket and solving 1 issue which is just a DC when they don't know what causes it. The Devs aren't smart, I'll tell you that.
Now, last night, I had the worst day of dbd in my life. I had one game where I was left slugged on the ground for the entire match because the killer only came for me and when every time they came to pick me up, someone was around so I was left on the ground longer. I was so tempted to dc because I wasn't having fun, but I didn't... surprisingly.
The game isn't balanceable to tell the truth, unless they try something so smart, like, hm, oh I don't know, ban certain perks for killers? They did in Rainbow Six Siege. (For those that don't understand where I'm going with this, I'll explain)
Rainbow Six Siege: 5v5 competitive game. One team attacks one spot of the map where the other team defends. Some or more from the defending team used to use an MP5 or an MP7 with an ACOG scope which was basically a sniper scope. They would set their fire rate to one bullet and wait to see which side the attackers spawn. Once they knew, bam, headshot, spawn kill. Ubisoft had to ban it with certain characters that welded a MP7/MP5 with an ACOG by removing the sight completely from them.
This is why I believe dbd should do that to some killers. Its very simple and it adds balancing to the game. I can't describe how many games I've had where killers abuse the perk mechanics to their advantage and make the game super unfun.
But for now, until they do something with killers to stop being so toxic and unfun, I'm dc'ing when the game is going nowhere and just outright boringly unfun.
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Exactly, thank you.
The only people who are forcing to stay is the devs themselves because from what someone said, they added that you can't dc in the "terms of conditions agreement". Like... thats kind of a yikes to me.
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What do you mean by "refine it". I play r6s myself and the comparison between those to falls short in my eyes since you can't compare 1vs4 against 5vs5. Balancing in the latter is easy in comparison.
Additionally, rainbow has a world's better matchmaking or rather dbd does not really have one right now and maybe never truly will. Ranks mean nothing by now but time invested in the game rather than skill.
Oh, and which killer perks are included in your proposed ban, just out of curiosity?
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You [not you personally, but the dc] can wait 4 minute bleed out, egc, or ######### on first hook.
I understand that these tactics aren't fun, but you have plenty of outs, all of them will hurt you and your team.
I see people dc right before last hook, which means your motives for dcing to "hurt the killers bp" is a selfish motive.
Worst part is that it doesn't hurt the killer, because the killer considers it funny.
The worst way to hurt a camper, stay ON the hook as long as possible.
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Imagine playing a board game and halfway through sombody rolls bad on a dice and just stand up and leaves.
That's what DCing is. It ruins the game for everyone else who agreed to play it.
And i don't know about you but if a person did that in my boardgame session 2-3 times he just wouldn't be invited anymore
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When you DC you ruin the game for the other 4 players who are playing the game. Just because something happens in the game happens that you personally don't like - such as being camped or your totem gets destroyed, it's part of the game and you commit to playing that game when you ready up in the lobby.
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If you're stuck slugged til bleedout or hanging on hook full time, you're useless to the team anyway. Sure, you might buy them time, but in reality how often do people stay on gens and pump them out while you're stuck in miserable situations?
I've stuck around in games where I desperately wanted to DC and didn't.. and the more I think about it, the more I realize that all of those times it wouldn't have made a difference either way.
So it's just a 4 minute wait... that's sometimes best case scenario in these situations. You know what would be better? Leaving and moving on to a trial where we can enjoy playing the game we payed money for. Not slug simulator.
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I understand completely, but what really is 4 minutes? It takes at least 5 to cook rice.
In that scenario, where you have to wait to die, just watch a couple vids on YouTube, grab a snack, use the bathroom.
That way, you won't see the penalty, you'll have a nice breather, and the game will be over before your YouTube video.
I want to dc as killer alot, and that's worse because I can't force survivors you finish gens. I'll chase a bit, hit here or there, but if I'm getting outplayed hard and it's no fun, I'll just grab a cup o joe, watch a bit of YouTube, and eventually the game is done and I can move on without penalty.
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Well you are able to DC in any match you want, but you'll get a penalty for it. If you want out of a match it's better to get hooked and wiggle yourself down to stage 3. It doesn't take THAT much longer, and if you're being facecamped chances are you'll be doing that anyway.
As a side note, I'd advise to not take yourself out right away if you're being facecamped so you can let your teammates do gens. But if you look around and see nobody doing gens you may as well get it over with, because your 2 minutes of sitting there on hook will accomplish nothing for your team.
Also run kindred.
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This is what I'm seeing...
I want to dc because the killer is playing dirty [camp/ tunnel/ slug]
Why can't I leave if I'm not having fun?
Not to sound rude, but you can.
Just dc, but you already know it comes with a penalty that gets worse the more you dc.
You'll keep dcing until you can't play for days [so I've seen from other posts]
You claim you're not having fun, then play killer, or play something else.
Or... take a breath, grab a soda and snacks, watch a video or scroll the forums...
Eventually the match will end, and you can start again without penalty.
De-pip? Doesn't matter, mmr is off.
Less bp? That's cool, the bp pool is endless and if you really wanted bp you'd be playing killer.
You still get exp/ shards. No problem there.
The only problem y'all have is with the penalty itself, which can be avoided by NOT disconnecting.
I'm not condoning a dc or afk, but you are in control of your own game.
I can't force you to stay any more than you can control the killers camp. Just know that real life has consequences, and so does dcing. So, don't dc, unless you want the penalty.
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