Someone Necroed this by accident because first post weirdness plz ignore
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don't get me wrong, im happy to see the change, just not one before the other
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Except BNP = one time use with chance to miss skill checks not even getting the 25%
PGTW - Multiple uses per matches for hooking survivors... like you normally would.
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They should have waited to do both at the same time.
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hey be nice, they are just the peace keeper, don't pour gasoline on their words and be surprised when you can light them ablaze
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Ideal situation that would have been but I'll take either one. Any progress is better than none. Its one less unhealthy element removed from the game.
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wait they nerf mori?
Where can i see that?
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BNP 4 times use per team, up to 1 hole generator of progress before the killer has any counterplay due to crossing the map
PGTW situation reward for playing the game normally, a win more perk that requires you to go out of your way to use it, even if it took you 3 seconds to reach a gen and 2 seconds to kick it you still spent more time doing that than the survivor team individually if it took any longer
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Killing a survivor with a mori while playing nurse now takes longer than killing them by hooking them. Where is the logic behind this change?
It's far easier and faster to pick the survivor up and hook them the third time than it is to lock yourself into a 16 second animation.
When playing Nurse, using a mori actually hurts the killer now? 😅
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The fact that OP had the gall to even imply keys were better than moris before this says it all.
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Same, the hatch needs interaction so the killer can stop it. I hope it's similar to my idea regarding unlocking the hatch not the other changes i want.
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oh wow, it takes 4 whole people, and PGTW still has more uses than what 4 whole people can bring? ruh roh.
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good team with 1 key < good killer with 1 mori < good team with 2 or MORE keys
imma just leave this here for you
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Keys and the hatch should both be removed and they should use the aura reading keys to buff maps.
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Why be nice when the playerbase has been treated like ######### for years? You can't just hug it out in every situation and expect people to change. Yes, it's from the word of a mod, and they are not responsible for the changes, but they are still essentially the messenger, and just like a messenger, they then report back the responses from the message receiver. Nobody ever learns if you baby them all the time.
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"When playing nurse"
Yea, if you need a mori when you play nurse you should absolutely be punished for using it lol.
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ah yes a killer giving up 1/4 of their entire build is stronger than 4 survivors giving up one addon slot, (not really)
heres the math at most if you play for a 8 hook before any survivor die game is the max value you get out of pop 2 full gens any more or a survivor is already dead is nearly useless at that point
the survivors still have the tool boxes that they used to bnp have you ever faced 4 tool boxes, even on the low end they would still have 16 charges each with brown tool boxes which is almost a whole other gen in 58.6666666667 so besically low end the survivors start with 5 reverse pops with of free progress, LOW END, it can go higher, and you think thats fair since they start the game with it, thats like pop starting with 5 uses any time you want
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I feel they should only open the hatch if you are the last survivor, what do you think (hatch still opens normally)
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I don't need to baby them but you don't need to hate them, they are the messenger who is the messenger, while you don't have to like them if you don't want to there is no need to hate them when all their trying to do is give news in hopes it calms tensions down
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I think punishment would be better suited for a troll with 5k posts in a DBD forum, but hey that's just my opinion.
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if you need a key when playing survivor you should absolutely be punished for using it
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I sincerely doubt this. All it takes is changing the technical conditions for keys being used, it doesn't require any changes to their animations at all.
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yea but no one is bringing 4 bnps, we can pretend they are, but I can guarantee PGTW has an incredibly higher amount of use than what BNPs do, let's not even pretend BNPs are getting used often.
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seems like a pretty decent opinion to me
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I beg to differ. Barely anyone uses Odd Bulbs, but every other game I get 1-2 or even 3 BNP. I've actually been planning on making a forum post asking survivors why so many people are bringing BNP nowadays.
And Anti-Hemorrhagic Syringes, I use whenever I can. They are fun as hell to use.
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please go record your games lmao, i can watch any killer main streamer for 5 hours and never see a bnp.
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I do think it is logical to assume this change in Mori will result in:
- More tunneling (and early) as tunneling will be the only effective use of them.
- More Survivors bringing in lots of Keys and leaving via the hatch.
- Survivor Ques are going to get a lot longer.
I just don't think this was a great tweak of the Mori, but we shall see. At the very least I think they should have held off on it until the Keys were adjusted at the same time. I expect a severe drop in people playing Killer for awhile because of the Key explosion.
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Not hating the messenger at all, I want them to show my response to the people who sent the messenger. It's the messengers job to get lumped into a situation, and they know this. Not trying to be mean, or attack the mod, but the balance team needs to learn to be patient sometimes, as if they did that and wait until they change keys, then they wouldn't be in this mess.
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"the balance team" lol it's 1 guy who hasnt seen the light of day for 4 years
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sounds likely
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sorry for only 3 but I don't usually screenshot endscreens with bnps on them, but look 3 bnps and 4 toolboxes with 24 charges at 200% speed, 16 charges at 170% speed, 44 charges at 150% speed
that's 75% of gens worth of bnps and 84 seconds of gens of toolboxes at varying speeds, good thing I had pop to counter them
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I don't think they understand that you can also save the BNP to quickly finish crucial gens and that they don't need to be used immediately at the beginning of a match and risk being regressed.
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Since when did nobody use them? I see both on a regular basis. My last match alone had two BNPs.
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I have Doc leveled to 40 and he's got like 8 ebony moris. I don't think I'll ever use em unless I have a daily, but they're not that rare.
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This isn't a recording, I could cherry pick any time in my dbd play time and find a match where a lot of bnps are used, it doesn't mean it's common.
Also you run with a 3rd party program giving you a crosshair so you're literally cheating I would take everything you say with a grain of salt lol.
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They aren't that rare. But its more the perception that BHVR is giving of favoritism, as well as making Mori's literally do nothing but a (possibly) cool animation.
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As a killer who very rarely uses a mori of any type, unless it's a kill by your hand daily or kill by any means challenge, the change does not bother me too much. I have always thought red mori's should be removed entirely.
I do think that a key change should have occurred at the same time as a mori change though. Purple key, only the key holder can escape, same with red key but you have those 30 seconds of whatever add ons you want on them and maybe it passively causes the hatch the hiss if closed so you get an audible clue it's nearby.
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It's been a topic for ages now, the fact that a Killer can wipe out 2/3rds of a player's game was a bit much, all for getting hooked once. Not everyone can escape a chase, a killer just has to be persistent enough.
My anecdotal experience with moris is that most, most, will tunnel kill to get a 3 man game with 5 generators left. Once one person is dead, generator completion slows to a crawl--unless gens were already almost done, it's so easy to stall gen progression. Hook one, chase one, the last one either leaves their hooked buddy to die or slowly works on a generator.
Many killers think it's unfair for someone to go out so quickly, so they do final hook moris anyways. It's not expected but it is nice to be able to stay in the game a little longer. I think this update reflects many of those thoughts. Rules generally reflect the culture, not the other way around. This applies to video games as well, not just irl.
I don't think mori's should count against the Entity anymore though. If we're gonna make em be final hook anyways why are we taking away points/pips for using the offering?
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lol Yeah I'm going to burn all of the purple and pink keys on all of my survivors on both PS5 & Steam and then get lost in Cyberpunk and let you guys enjoy the nearly 30 minute survivor queues coming this weekend.
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thats the spirit, no seriously im not going to play any low tier killers against this new reign of keys, its only going to be spirit, nurse, blight, iri head, and tombstone pieces until keys get fixed
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you wanted an example, you got an example, your response to the example because it wasn't something you wanted to see anyone have is, yea but like thats only 1 example that you specifically picked, its like asking for x article and when you get it you say yea but you cherry picked x article that I asked for, you should not be allowed to discuss here if all you do is disreguard the others point ask for evidence then deny their evidence, also thats my monitor, it has the capabilities to display a crosshair on the screen, its so 3rd party it isn't even on the pc, I could have gone even more 3rd party by taking a sharpie and putting a dot on my screen
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yep, and first hook suicides for me if I'mt he first one they catch while holding my keys LUL, face camp and DS or not. not gonna prolong the agony for either side, just gonna burn the supply while it's still got some fun left in it like I should have done with my moris and then move on. It's really too bad that schmuck went Rambo on Jason/Friday the 13th licenses since that game could totally have pushed the bar on games like this and forced these devs to be more competitive to maintain the amount of costume buyers they currently pander to.
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to be honest im probably not going to do that but I might take a few games of face camping keys, either the person holding it or the key itself
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You ever heard the term, "Don't shoot the messenger?"
Like imagine you getting angry and violent at your post(wo)man for delivering particularly bad news. Oof
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If you're going to pretend that one screenshot is proof that bnps are always being used is just as much evidence as me saying iridescent heads are always being used because you're using it in your screenshot, or claiming huntress' always 4K because you did in your screenshot.
You didn't provide any evidence besides one screenshot from at least the time cherly has been out that just has proof of you cheating with a 3rd party program lmao.
You screenshotted this for some reason, if you have a habit of screensshotting multiple bnps but only one screenshot is not enough, especially when I can play an entire day without seeing bnps, we can go watch any streamer right now playing killer and not see bnps.
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refer to my latest reply
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I'm gonna leave a link to my poll right here:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/211996/your-opinion-on-new-moris#latest
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you said no one, not barely anyone, I had evidence that they were use, im just going to ignore you now since you decide to change your stance when you are wrong while still claiming that my stance is wrong
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If we're going to be pedantic about it I actually said "no one is bringing 4 bnps" you provided evidence of 3 BNPS, therefore what I have said is indeed correct, i then continue to say no one is using BNPs are much as PGTW, acknowledging that yes I know BNPs are being used and the no one is obviously not literal.
But sure, ignore me and continue cheating my guy <3
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Even when presented evidence that you said otherwise you can lie through your teeth like a pro
no you can't sudden jump stances mid argument just to cover your tracks about being wrong while also claiming that someone else is wrong, either make points you standby or don't make the points at all
not gonna deal with someone like you who will keep changing their argument so that it makes the other person wrong and you in the right, that's not how discussion works that's how arguing works. Either agree, or disagree, come up with compromises so both people leave happy. don't discuss to win its not a competition
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