Moris are nerfed, adept system should revert now
if you don't know, before plague chapter, adepts used too be to simply kill all survivors to ensure the double pip most of the times, no matter the emblems, due to people always using ebony mori to get this.
Now moris are nerfed and perfectly balanced, why do we still need to sweat to get the adepts for killer, while as survivor you can do nothing all game and get hatch when everyone is dead damn ez adept even depipping
this is ridiculous
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yeah, adepts for killers are annoying especially in higher ranks
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I like how they are, they show your that your actually good at the killer (most of the time)
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I've done 21 of the Killer Adepts, and about 17-18 of them were at red ranks. It is annoying to have to get the perfect game each time, but like you said it shows how to be a good Killer.
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Well assuming matchmaking works (as if) it should still be difficult at rank 15 because you will be at lower skill level
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The problem is the disparity with their survivors counterpart and also between killers. Going for the adept with Spirit is much easier than Trapper for example.
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It shows that you got lucky and got survivors way below your skill level.
In order to get merciless some killers need to stop playing optimal. Chainsaw brothers come to mind who if they get all their downs with their chainsaws don't get merciless. Unless they start avoid hooking people to make the match last longer.
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fun fact, the screenshot I showed is my 7th attempt today for spirit adept, one pip away for rank 1 and I started in rank 3
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I agree with the fact that killers cant one shot. This really messed me up when trying to get ghosty adept. They gotta make it better
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Now imagine a Trapper With Unnerving + Brutal + Agitation XD
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the adept achievements never changed.
they always needed you to either survive as a survivor or achieve a "merciless killer" score as killer.
what changed were the requirements to get said score for killer, as with the previous system, the victory cube, it only counted hooks and kills, meaning a 4 man kill would grant you all the points you needed, while the emblem system takes much more into account - chases, kills, hooks, injuries, gen defense, etc, therefore making it harder to achieve it.
since changing achievements is not an easy task for the devs (due to the restrictions of the plattforms they are on, such as Steam or Playstation), the only thing they could do to make them easier for killer was by completely reworking the emblem system to make the winning requirements easier - which they, sadly, already said they wouldnt really be interested in doing, given the MMR system is comming out soonTM.
even though i would fully support changes that make adepts easier to get, i doubt a whole lot is going to happen any time soon :/
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Bugs aside they're not that hard, it just takes time and patience
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All they need to do is make the 4K with the three teachable perks count as a merciless victory and they're good. it's 100% on their end. It doesn't involve changing achievements on console or anything like that.
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Agree. Certain killers are really painful because of the emblems not giving enough chaser or malicious too, making things worse.
Adept should just be 4k using only the perks.
To balance out things, they could make 4k using only the specific killers perks and no addons, while survivors escape through the gates using only their perks and no items (not even in-game from chests)
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There is a world of difference between having a 4K and getting a merciless killer rating. Being able to 4K is not a good way to show that a player is adept with a character. Does slugging with the twins to 1 hook everyone seem like the definition of "adept" to you? I'd say no, not if you relied on cheap tactics to win. Playing cheap by camping, slugging, tunneling, or using a mori is an easy way to get a 4K. But none of those "optimal" methods are going to get you a merciless rating. Put in the work if you want the reward.
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the MMR system is "coming out soon" is what they said before it was still months behind when they started saying soon, and when it came out it BORKED the game matching badly. really I don't know if it will come back out. I agree the change of getting merciless killer is the problem, survivors should have something more or the killers should be able to get a merciless killer score without the need to double pip via the emblem system. Honestly it wouldn't be hard to divest the match results and rename the double pip and then mark a 4k as merciless so you get the adept even if you safety or 1 pip. I think though that's so far down on their list to do because they have been really doing everything survivor mains have been trying to get them to do. It's only my opinion but there is something we are not seeing for several things, and it's disconcerting that they are being so opaque about it after they keep saying they want to be transparent.
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just escaping with a survivor does not show they are an adept what so ever as much as getting a 4k! hell a survivor can stealth around for the whole game, get out when hatch is there or doors can be open and you get survivor adepts... and that's skill? no it isn't, it's not the definition of adept either. why don't we make a double pip scoring event that says escaped and change the others to something else and then the survivors have to make optimal plays and get a double pip just like the killers.
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There are plenty of easy achievements in this game and some more difficult ones. What you left out is that survivor gameplay is different from killer gameplay. As survivor, your score depends on the actions of 4 other players. Getting a double-pip at any rank is easier with killer than it is as survivor because killer can control how the game flows. As a survivor, the other 4 players in the game and their actions are out of your control. Your suggestion to change them just seems like it's based in spite.
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we aren't talking about score, we are not talking about anything but the adepts. it's not fair for the killer to have to double pip because of the emblem system and the survivor didn't get a similar adjustment (one tick in the devs are survivor sided). hell as I said a survivor can do 0 gens, 0 saves, 0 heals, 0 totems, 0 chests, escape and still get the adept. killer can't do that what so ever. people here are saying that killers need to ramp up their act to prove they are adept.... why is it then that survivors can do squat and still get their adepts? is the game play different? yup it is.... but you know what? that matters not when the system is unbalanced to the point that one side can not make more than a couple of minor mistakes and hope they do well and then the other side can make lots of mistakes and they still do well. yea that's the right thing to do and you're splitting hairs when you bring in other aspects of the game when the discussion is about the killer adept vs survivor adept conditions.
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I think the point is the level of effort required to adapt a survivor is about 20 times easier to adapt a killer. The balance is off. Killer adapt can still be easy as low ranks it is hard not to just crush survivors. Simply Derank a bit (since rank has ZERO value) and just easily cruise through them all.
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Adept killer achievements should be a 4k with the three teachable perks, plus allowing a fourth perk.
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Did the emblem system come out with Plague?
I remember an extremely long time ago pips were tied directly to kills. (and I think even before that, it was bloodpoints earned in the match) This was later changed to "killer goals" with the Victory Cube to try and discourage camping I believe, and then it was changed again to the emblem system we have today.
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No, emblems were mid chapter after pig. After plague the emblems were highly more strict to pip, not allowing you to score over one pip with moris
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I'm splitting hairs? Getting a high score (32K) in a normal match will get you the adept achievements, it's directly related. This isn't a survivor vs killer issue, the achievements are player based. Any PLAYER can unlock any achievement whether it's a difficult, easy, survivor, or killer. And yes, a survivor could do nothing all game and still escape, but changing the requirement to only be 4Ks would award a killer for a match where one person suicides and the rest all just give up because of it. And the second scenario is something I see way more often than the first.
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okay, i didnt know the original 7 characters had different adept achievements than the rest of the crew. thats interesting to know though, makes you think about their very first concept of adepts that apparently got scrapped again.
besides that, i dont see how any of the marked things are in conflict with what i said?
i mean, the third point is quite literally 1:1 what i said above.
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You can get 32k and only pip because survivors do fast 4 out of 5 gens but then die. Point mean nothing.
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so when i got 32K and only had the killer's three perks but one person escaped and i got one pip (missed by 1 point) and I did not get the adept i guess I was robbed? no 32K blood points has NOTHING to do with the achievement now, it can have an indication of if you will possibly get it but you have to get a double pip. if you don't get that double pip you will end up not getting the achievement. but for a survivor you can get 6-10K (done mostly nothing) and get out and you get the adept achievement. so tell me how it's fair that killers have to do REALLY well to get the achievement and survivors have to do bubkis and still get the achievement? This is the difference.... you have one person that has to play almost a perfect game, making sure people get hooked, gens get kicked, no one heals, they don't die too quickly and still maintaining the gens not done and doors closed and only then can get get their achievement, but another only has to hide and walk out an exit door riding the coat tails of the other three survivors and this is a balanced thing? nope not at all. wow.
and the original requirement to get the killer adepts WAS to just get a 4K and that resulted in the Merciless end result. you are splitting hairs and it shows you're a survivor main (atleast at heart) becuase of "no i don't want the killer to get a 4K only for his adept while I, the survivor, don't have to do anything but walk out an escape door to get mine and i'm just fine with that!" attitude!
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apparently you aren't much of a killer main.... and yes it does happen, not often where that stops someone from getting the adept achievement but it has happened to me where a non SWF survivor got hatch just before I'd have gotten them hooked and then gotten my adept. it's not about the survivor players nor the killer players here, it's more about how different the adept achevements are, if I see someone has all the killer adepts I say man you're good, if somoene has all the survivor adepts I laugh and ask if they were bored. the difference between these things are night and day.
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I get 4K's relatively easily but that doesn't mean I double pip every time i 4K. I am not arguing against chaning it back to getting a 4K for the adept, on the contrary I'm advocating it. so are you now going to say you easily double pip?
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I never doubted it but enjoy what you have I enjoy what I have, I'm not on playstation so I can't look at your stats easily i'm not caring about how you play, I play pretty damn well but I will say this speak plainly and you obviously did not as you started with that you 4k easily and now it's you double pip easily. I'm so very happy for you now lets talk about the fact that things are disproptionate and a casual gamer like myself is harder pressed to do what the professional gamer like yourself does easily.. thank you for telling me that i'm crap and i should stop because i can't get double pips.
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I said a normal match. If you got 32K and didn't double pip it's because of a blood point bonus of some type. You're acting like these achievements are impossible when in reality they just take more effort than you want to put in. And wow did you realize that in some cases you don't even have to sacrifice all the survivors to get a merciless rating?
Nice attempt to label me as a survivor main. Not sure what your point is there, but hey if you can't discredit the discussion, discredit the person, right?
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i'm sorry was a normal match, i got 32 blood points, got 2 iri's and 2 golds, got a single pip. RED RANKS. too many people healed, to many ESCAPES (I continually got flashlighted), got a few negatives becuase i crossed by hooks but it was the heals and the escapes. i go a 3K and one got out the hatch. so you can move right along, it was a normal match for me. I got 32K points because i kept doing what I could they are the ones that prolonged the game. double pip was at 15 emblem levels, I got 14 thus only a single pip. game, set and match, blood points do not determine if you pip or don't or double pip. it's the emblems that determine the match result not your points like before the emblem system, no result is 0 emblem points to iri being 4 emblem points, max is 16 points, and in red ranks it takes 3 iri emblems and one gold minimum to double pip.
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The screenshot I show in the main post of the discussion was an adept Spirt attempt, I got 32k points without any points offering, the problem was that they did 4 gens and apparently ecen after several gen kicks is not enough gen protection.
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Yes it is possible to get a 32K game and not double pip, but those games are a pretty rare exception. And you don't need to get a 32K game to get the adept, it just helps.
These achievements aren't hard, they just take effort. To test my theory, I tested my theory. It took 1 try.
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ok good you got a bad team, 3 of those survivors didn't even reach 15k points which means the only one who did much was the one of 21k points.
What I meant with the 32k points is that I had to struggle and sweat in everything which is reflected by finishing all scoring points and apparently it isn't enough just because corrupt intervention isn't a Spirit perk so they will split around different gens since the begin, removing already the iri emblem for gatekeeper.
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The team I faced was fine, pretty much the average type of team out there, they just made mistakes that I capitalized on. And honestly I didn't even sweat hard that match, I had a doctor chasing ritual and figured I'd give the adept a shot while I was at it. If Doc can get the achievement, then Sprit should have an easier time. I'd get Spirit's next, but I've already unlocked it.
My point is that while it might be annoying to have to try several times to get the achievements, I appreciate the effort that it takes to get them. Except for 1 or 2 of them, the survivor adept achievements are easy to get, and it devalues them. An Adept Ace? Nobody cares. Adept Plague or Trapper though, to me that shows you know what you are doing with that character. Honestly, they are the challenges I look forward to the most with each new DLC.
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