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Change Doctor and Leatherface aka Bubba

ADM_Biscuit
ADM_Biscuit Member Posts: 1

Now I know the killers have to be "op" to a certain extent for them to be able to win against 4 other people. In the case of leatherface and the doctor they are overpowered to a point where it's not fun to go against. Which I am many others can probably agree means they need to be toned down a bit. For example earlier today I had a leather face who hit me when I went through a window and was about 10 feet away from it. Now part of it was probably lag but still that's pretty insane. Now with the doctor I know his whole game play is structured around slowing down and annoying the survivors, but he really shouldn't stop you from doing action for a couple seconds after he shocks you. For example I've had many doctors shock me right before I used dead hard, and whether your in a dead zone or not your basically dead. So I propose that Bubba gets a longer cool down on his chain saw attack not much longer but longer. I also propose that the doctor doesn't stop actions like dead hard or vaults and only slows down the survivor for a few seconds. Please let me know if anyone thinks this is unreasonable thanks you for you're time.

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Comments

  • LadyOhhDalia
    LadyOhhDalia Member Posts: 11

    I am a red rank survivor and am still getting face camped on first hook by leather face. It has been made too easy for leather face to get downs/hooks. He has BBQ to see where everyone is on the map, he face camps and can down EVERYONE in one swoop. BT doesn’t even help much against this, because his chainsaw swings multiple times. He also hits you through windows when you are far enough away. His chainsaw needs changed to where he can only down 1 person at a time. It isn’t fair that he can face camp and down every single person in 1 swoop. If this change can’t be made, then his chainsaw absolutely needs a longer rev time as he is already a fast runner.

  • LadyOhhDalia
    LadyOhhDalia Member Posts: 11

    The point to my comment above is that the game is supposed to be fun and fair for everyone. It is never fun when you wait 15 minutes for a match just to be face camped on first hook with no real hope of rescue without being tunneled or your whole team downing. There is a serious need for balance.

  • OutcastEric
    OutcastEric Member Posts: 495

    You lost me at OP. Learn to play at a high level and stop begging the devs for changes

  • velosinhooo
    velosinhooo Member Posts: 295

    What rank are you to think that doctor is one of the best killers of the game? And Bubba I got your point, hes got a guaranteed kill on every match but either way

  • velosinhooo
    velosinhooo Member Posts: 295

    I got his point of Bubba, it is the same view of the tournaments and why Bubba is banned on them, he has a guaranteed kill on the match due to his absurd facecamp.

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,781

    I am going to assume you have about 100 hours on the game.

  • TGB
    TGB Member Posts: 301

    Imagine complaining about ANY KILLER AT ALL LMFAO.

    Especially Bubba.

    AND IMAGINE COMPLAINING ABOUT BBQ!!!! LOL!!!!


    Bubba can insta-down, sure. But all he can do is walk at you. Use your exhaustion perks. And use them smartly. Maybe try hiding sometimes, instead of being that cocky piece of crap standing in plain sight because you WANT the chase to happen. (Which is a hilarious statement about Survivor strength right now, by the way.)

    Try getting some environmental awareness. Always know where your next pallet/window is. Because you can be the worst video gamer in the world, and all you have to do is hold Shift and W, and mash spacebar, and get free wins on Survivor. Free rank 1 right there, as long as you're not aiming your Shift W Spacebar Machine into dead ends.

    By the time Bubba insta-downs the first Survivor, if you don't have 1-2 gens popping at minimum, I'm gonna guess everyone was afk at the start of the game. Survivor advantage is so unreal, I can't imagine how bad the Complaining Survivors must be at ANY real game whatsoever.


    Complaining about BBQ INTEL???????? But BBQ doesn't GIVE intel. BBQ is a farm perk ONLY. It's used for the bonus BP at the end of the game.

    The BBQ auras of Survivors are hidden if those Survivors are behind generator auras, LMFAO. The perk is a monster-ass joke. Survivors don't have to deal with anything like that, SHOCKINGLY ENOUGH, so I understand why you might not have known that. But us Killers, we learn very quickly that SOMETHING is amiss when using BBQ, and the smart ones realize just exactly what's going on.


    Anyway - grats on getting Doctor, Bubba, and BBQ nerfed in the next patch. God knows BHVR listens to 100% of everything Survivors say. Thank you for doing your part to keep DBD going in the direction it's been going in for 5 years now. Thank you for your contribution to making DBD even more unplayable than it already is.


    I can't wait to see what the next big change will be.

    "Mori's removed from the game. Keys now baseline, and do not use up an item slot."

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  • TGB
    TGB Member Posts: 301
    edited June 2021

    Well, Dwight Main One Ninety, it just so happens that BBQ very often provides zero auras. And BECAUSE this can happen due to Survs being behind gen auras, OR because they're not 40+ meters away, WE THE KILLER (not you, you're Dwight Main One ninety) have no way to know which of the two is happening, if not both. So we're almost better off WITHOUT its "intel" since it could guide us to assume one thing, when the exact opposite is happening. (We stay near hook because we see no auras, then 3 distant generators end up popping. Or we try to "learn from that mistake" and end up venturing out far, but all 3 Survs were near the hook for the insta rescue & heal.)


    My post is aggravated, yes, and rightfully so. I'm allowed to be aggravated. I cannot, however, just randomly assume how experienced the OP is. YOU'RE the one that made that assumption, and you shouldn't assume, after all! :)


    This video game is an utter disaster, and BHVR has proven to only listen to Survs. So when this thread is made, I literally feel angry towards it because there is a GREAT CHANCE that the game developers act on the OP's desires, further ruining this game.

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    -that's the player's fault, Bubba being effecient at a strategy that puts the killer at a disadvantage isn't OP

    -BBQ is not op and it contradicts your point about camping

    -He can only down all survivors if they group up, which is the fault of the survivors

    -hitting through windows is caused by lag and absolutely nothing else

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    Pro teams know not to go for rescues on a facecamped survivor, There is no way that's the reason he is banned

  • velosinhooo
    velosinhooo Member Posts: 295

    He has a guaranteed kill on the match, thats why he s banned, If you search for many tournament rules, there is Leatherface Banned on those as he can get 3 points for free, and yes good survivors know that and they cant get the save and the motive they know that is because the bubba has the fame of camping god and thats why he is banned, when bubba is allowed they sometimes use camaraderie so they buy half gen more with the camping meaning that they can all escape the match just because bubba downed 1 guy and camped him.

  • velosinhooo
    velosinhooo Member Posts: 295

    I agree with all that but dont you think that being able to get a guarantee kill is one of the best strategies? When the game is lost or almost, Bubba facecamps even tho he has a tiny bit hope, I really dont think that face camping on the start of the match is op but when you have passed the past 5 minutes looping him so your teamates could end the gens and help you, you get pissed off easily as the bubba player wasnt even playing well but he can just kill you on your first hook, its unfortunate but we can do nothing, we can just expect the devs to fix the face camping as any decent player wants.

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    People used to justify Old Bubba with the fact that you would always get at least one kill. While this is true for the most part, generally 4ks were less common than seeing "entity displeased" on the endgame screen. Don't get me wrong, nobody camps better than Bubba. But if good camping wasn't enough to get him out of F tier before his buff, I don't think it's that much of a problem (despite how undeniably unfun it is)

  • velosinhooo
    velosinhooo Member Posts: 295

    He still can get a guaranteed kill without even having to know how to play, his camp really doesnt get him out of tier c but he still can just get someone out of the game if he wants, that is really unfun but not op.

  • glitchboi
    glitchboi Member Posts: 6,023

    This post got necro'd but...

    Don't you dare touch my Bubba.

  • DBD78
    DBD78 Member Posts: 3,470

    Two mediocre killers. Only good killers in this game is Spirit and Nurse. When you get to higher ranks you will have no problem against doctor.

  • Krunga
    Krunga Member Posts: 159
    edited June 2021

    Doctor will always be the easiest killer in the game, even taking pre-recent nerf Freddy into account

    -Huge ranged attack that is also a tracking ability without effort

    -Ability to stop any loop by holding a button

    -Making a survivor useless by getting hit 3-4 times by a nearly unavoidable attack

    -Addons to make his ability even more annoying and strong

  • FaceCampinBuba
    FaceCampinBuba Member Posts: 50

    Bubba and Doc are fine where there at. I would suggest splitting up against these guys.. against all killers. Just keep trying you'll get better or you won't.

  • Harold_Shipman
    Harold_Shipman Member Posts: 737

    The only change bubba needs is some way to make him less efficient at hook camping tbh

  • FrndlyChnswSalzmn
    FrndlyChnswSalzmn Member Posts: 705

    Which would require removing all his threat entirely.

  • Harold_Shipman
    Harold_Shipman Member Posts: 737

    are you suggesting his only strength is hook camping?

  • DwightFairfield
    DwightFairfield Member Posts: 1,246

    Doctor is too addon reliant to be used.

    You basically have to farm with another, better killer to make Doctor anywhere near viable

  • FrndlyChnswSalzmn
    FrndlyChnswSalzmn Member Posts: 705

    No, i'm suggesting that the solution to this would be to make him unable to one-hit down anymore, which would remove all his threat.