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Pls Devs remove Noed
Ok how can you descripe Noed...
It gives kills that the killer doesn't deserve. It rewards bad play. It's unfair against solos like undying. It makes the endgame boring because you have to leave immediately instand of save the poor person who got robbed of his earned escape.
I don't have to say more...
Edit: it's the same as undying which only counter is to cleanse 5 Totems which is not possible for solos.
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It's fine. NoEd fills a particular niche the game needs, which is a catchup mechanic.
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You can apply the same logic to 90% of meta Survivor perks.
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descripe it more pwease
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No you can't, If that's the case then Show us what you mean.
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It has the Same strengh of undying (cleanse 5 Totems to counter it, which is not possible for solos)
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The last thing what the game needs is a "catchup mechanic".
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i feel like you are running on emotions...
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I will.
Your main points were that NOED gives undeserved Objective score (kills), it rewards bad play, it is unfair against Solo's and that it makes the game boring and forces a certain style of play.
Let's start with an easy one. Decisive Strike.
Decisive gives allows you to escape the Killer's grasp, even if you aren't being tunneled. This rewards points in the Survival category and this allows the Survivors to continue to earn points in their Objective category, whereas if they did not have the perk, they'd be dead.
Decisive also rewards bad play. The majority of Survivors use it as a way to correct a mistake. Make a wrong read? No worries, I have Decisive. Get farmed? Doesn't matter, I've got DS!
Killer is also Solo and there isn't really an equivalence here.
DS forces Killers to respect it when they do not know who has it and by respecting it, they often leave people slugged. That's boring AND forcing the same style of play.
I could also make a similar list for Dead Hard, Unbreakable, Adrenaline ect ect.
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No, why do think that?
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*sighs*
Its completely possible to cleanse 5 totems as a solo survivor. What made undying so good was the aura reading+paired with ruin.
Noed is not even in the same ball park, let alone league as undying. If they just got rid of the aura reading, undying would of been fine.
To compare them two is like compairing an apple to an applepie.
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NOED: Don't like that the survivors did their objective quickly? here, take a free down and most likely one solitary kill
DS: Don't like that the killer is chasing you after being unhooked and your unhooker went to hide in a bush? here, stun them for 5 seconds when they pick you up again
Unbreakable: Don't like that the killer is getting pressure by slugging? here, get extra recovery speed and pick yourself up
Dead Hard: Need a bit more distance or don't like that the killer mindgamed you and is now right next to you? Here, press E to get to the pallet and continue looping them
Adrenaline: Don't like that the killer spent the entire game chasing you? here, if your teammates did the gens like they should you get a free health state and the longest speed boost out of all the exhaustion perks
want me to keep going?
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Well said, I completely agree.
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because you FEEL THIS ...
"It gives kills that the killer doesn't deserve." This is feelings...
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Nah they should buff the haste to 10%
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"robbed of his earned escape"
The game doesn't suddenly end when five gens are done.
"It makes the endgame boring because you have to leave immediately"
That's one way to handle it, sure. And yeah, sometimes it's the only way to handle it. But I've also cleansed NOED after someone was hooked. And I've been the person who was hooked, and another teammate cleansed NOED and saved me. Clutch saves, way more exciting than the killer giving you a speed boost out the door as he chases you impotently into the gate.
Killers without a one-hit down capability often aren't even a threat once an exit gate is open.
If NOED didn't exist, dull totems would serve no purpose whatsoever. They'd be empty points. Totems are meant to be a second objective.
I play solo. I've cleansed all five totems. I've cleansed NOED after it pops. And I've died to NOED after cleansing four totems. That's the game.
Have fun during the match. If you base your enjoyment as survivor on escaping, DbD is nothing but frustration.
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^ this. 110% this.
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I also agree with this
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Funny how NOED and Insidious is still in the game, but Ruin/Undying needs to go. Because "training wheels" are taking no skill, right? /s
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I know youre being sarcastic. But i have to ask, are you trying to compare undying to noed?
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DS- i just got unhooked and want my saviour to get away im going to body block the killer and make them hit me so i can hit them with Ds so we both get away
Unbreakable- the killer cant get me to a hook because my teammates are bodyblocking so he has to drop me im gonna pick myself up when hes gone so he has no map pressure from the down he earned
Adrenaline- we are gonna slam this last gen and then unhook our 2 teammates and rob him of any chance of a kill haha (cue NOED here to ruin this strat)
Borrowed time- im gonna go for this unhook in the killers face instead of pulling him away so someone can do a proper safe unhook because there is a 50/50 chance while he's doing it auto aim is gonna make him hit the hooked person instead of me
Dead hard- im gonna rob the killler of his down with the push of a button because he outplayed me fairly with a mimdgame at a loop
Want me to keep going?
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Just ask yourself what takes more skill of them both. Which one shows once more again the game is balanced around Rank 10?
And which one gives you a better understanding of the game as killer, as you need actually to work for it.
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please do, i am enjoying your writing style
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I diden't say that I have to survive to have fun. But atleast the Killer should outplay me with his Skill Not outperk me with no counterplay on my side.
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You Mean like survivors do with all their second chance perks right
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We discussed this already and agreed:
DO BONES
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Well tbh undying and Noed have the same counterplay so he has not wrong.
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What do you mean, every survivor "Meta" perk has esay counterplay.
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Like undying?
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Noed actually. Here me out.
Noed requires you to play with 3 perks. Where undying gives a lot of infortmation. Plus noed gives people a reminder of a secondary objective. A harsh reminder. If survivors are hit with noed, its because they are bad. And vice versa.
Undying str was in the aura reading part of it. Which made it not impossible but so very very hard to cleanse totems. Esp when solo cause you cant communicate.
Are both of these perks crutches? No. Are both these perks op? Subjectively one is. And spoiler, it isnt noed. Do you want me to go on to why? Or do you have a grasp of what im saying? I could go into why noed is balanced.
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But there is counterplay. Just because people don't like the counters doesn't mean they don't exist.
Survivors have options during a match. Focus on gens, risk the chance of NOED. Focus on gens but pay attention to totem placement; if NOED procs, try to go back and cleanse the lit totem. Slow down and do totems to stop NOED before it procs; it risks the killer being able to put more pressure on gens but makes the end game safer if you reach it.
Both sides have perks that aren't fun for the opposition, giving each a chance to "outperk" the other. The difference is, I see NOED way less than I see survivors running DS, Dead Hard, and Unbreakable. DbD is full of out-perking and RNG that rewards luck over skill.
Edit: I forgot to also mention that NOED is the counter to Adrenaline. It's an important thing to keep in mind. The only thing outside of NOED that counters Adrenaline is preventing survivors from finishing gens, which isn't really a counter. Killers can't cleanse anything to stop Adrenaline from activating, but survivors can cleanse NOED before it ever activates and still use Adrenaline to haul ass when the gens are done.
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Undying is going to be nerfed to the ground floor soon
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Undying is going to be nerfed to the ground floor soon
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And why do they not touch Noed? They are both perks that need nerfs.
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Apples and applepie.
Apple: noed.
Applepie: undying.
Yes doing all 5 totems counters them both. Just like how applepie has apples in it. But difference is still literally in the aura reading. Just like the difference in applepie is the pie part of it.
Get what im saying here?
Now if noed had aura reading, yea sign me up on a noed nerf. But its counter is literally doing bones which unless he has undying or thrill of the hunt, how is he gonna know you are doing bones unless he finds you? Not to mention, detectives hunch is really really really good if survs go away from their meta.
Let me ask you this, do you think undying would be broken if it didnt have aura reading attached to the perk? Or do you feel like game is over once 5 gens are done? Or do gens ignore everything else?
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I'm a survivor main so I hate noed but noed is a second chance perk for killers. Survivors have plenty of second chance perks. You don't necessarily have to cleanse totems in the trial, but if at the end of the game the killer has noed then you should learn the totem spots and cleanse it. I don't know what rank you are as survivor but in full red rank games I almost never encounter noed and if I do then it is cleansed quite quickly.
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Because undying in the current state (before nerf) affects the entire match and very efficient as a slow down and aura reading perk. As a killer, I did an experiment and brought only 2 perks ruin and undyng. I was able to 4K 10 matches in a row as Plague with remaining 2 - 3 gens.
Noed does not slow down gens and lets the killer get maybe one kill if the killer is lucky. Smart solo queue survivor would try to find noed or escape. If survivors are dumb, they would attempt to unhook the survivor in front of the killer while noed is active. If you cannot do anything -- just escape.
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If you're unlucky with Ruin/Undying, you play with only 2 Perks left. It will be like that soon anyway.
All it needs is them bringing a map or totems perks. I only play solo, the only question was WHEN to actually do a gen and when go for totems. The maps are big and the killer can only be at one place. NOED is totally fine vs. SWFs, as you can blame them for ignoring totems. With solos you have not much coordination and there will be at least 1 totem left most of the time.
Also NOED prevents killers improving their gameplay. That's why you can already tell by 80% they'll have NOED when they're to focused on just 1 surv, not switching targets, don't know tiles and do have no good map pressure. You can lit camp 1 guy and tunnel him to death. At this point all gens are done and you get the extra kill with NOED. Is this skill? No. But is it a 2k as intended by the devs? Yes.
And then you have (had) Ruin/Undying which doesn't work by itself. If you camp, you won't get anything out of it. You have to apply the map pressure everybody talk about. You have to understand it's 4 vs. 1, not 1 vs. 1. It also gives survs a secondary objective. And it can be easy countered with just one of them bringing a map. Or just switch one small ppl perk into Dectives Hunch. Also Ruin/Undying gave both sides much more potential chases, longer games and more points overall. And last but not least, it gave many killers the time to actually play more fair. Just like old Ruin did.
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No its just i dont care about the 4k i just want survivors to outplay me with skill not outperk me.
By the way all the meta killer perks have easy counterplay.
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NoED doesn't even bother me, it's just a "goddammit noed" and I realise its JUST A GAME and that the one death I just suffered won't affect my time enjoying the game cause its just a perk killers use to counter toxic gen rushers. If you really have a problem stop using DS, DH, HO and BT and then you can ######### to killers about what perks they use.
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It rewards bad play? Well, if the killer is so bad at the game, it should be easy to cleanse dull totems right??? Because the killer is bad yeah ..
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I can speak for myself, as im one player. Personally i love detective's hunch. If i do one gen, i could usually get 3-4 totems since i know the location of all most of that. After words i generally can find the last two rather quickly esp if a second gen is done. Even sooner if one of the totem is by the first gen. Now if it was undying.... yea thats an issue. Cause aura reading. Even if the killer camps. I rarely get hit by noed.
Secondly, i really feel like survivors should get over complaining about camping. Im sorry but its in the game. Devs stated nothing is gonna be done about it.
Thirdly.. this revolves around perk choices.. if every survivor damn near runs the same perks but complains about noed? Like i know this is a strawman argument but no one finds this ironic? No one calls out survivors on this? Like there is tools to not be hit with noed. But yet, we are here. In a thread. Complaining about noed. im not saying you are, but like im not the only person that sees this right?
Lastly, noed to me is like corrupt intervention. Essentially you end up playing with 3 perks most of the game, yet i guess noed is more op to people, because they feel like if they do the gens they win? Idk.
Oh one last thing to add: if noed kills more than 1. Its because survivors got too altruistic. Which (yes i use noed sometimes cause its funny af, tho i dont need it) is pretty funny in endgame.
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You have still to do gens...
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What do you mean takes more skill and is more fun for both sides:
Getting potential 12 hooks and a 4k or get like 4 hooks and a potential 4k.
I'll leave you with that. That's the difference between Ruin/Undying and NOED.
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A totem counter for survivors would help solos a lot and put more emphasis on them being a second objective, hopefully this could also encourage people to cleanse dull totems instead of ignoring them.
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Let me leave this in your head, play killer by survivor rule books. Try a 12 hook game. At red ranks. Not using nurse spirit or freddy.
Secondly if survivors do not do bones and gets hit with noed, remind me how thats the killers fault. You say 4 hooks and potential 4k. But like... that is survivors fault as well. Because if they avoided killer all game and avoided getting hooked but all died means they didnt complete their goal. Or secondary objective. If they had time to avoid a killer all game. Then they just slammed gens and didnt cleanse totems. Thats on them. Sucks survivors cant see it that way.
Side note: this is me not pulling out all the second chance survivor perks. Which we both know i could using your same arguments.
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