Ability to disable the most hated killer
Hello. I play in DBD 1 week, 15 rank. And i hate f***ing Pig, impossible to play against her. It is impossible to run away, because of crouching. It's a hell camping. If you are wearing a trap, you have to run all over map, search a key, where she will easily camping you. I have no idea, what to do against her. In all games against her, I was dying, and the other survivors too, 3 or 4.
Maybe she is too strong for non-top players. Maybe this is just my problem. But will be great, if a was possible not to play against the most inconvenient killer. For example when searching in the game, were excluded those where the host a Pig.
Sorry, for bad english, i know him a little.
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Sure, allow killer to ban 4 survivor so you can't use your leveled up survivor and you have a deal /s
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@Dragonredking said:
Sure, allow killer to ban 4 survivor so you can't use your leveled up survivor and you have a deal /sNobody talked about 4. Just 1. In addition, survivors have a teachable perks. And if one does not want to play against someone, for sure will be another host who wants. People are different.
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@Ghost077 said:
@Dragonredking said:
Sure, allow killer to ban 4 survivor so you can't use your leveled up survivor and you have a deal /sNobody talked about 4. Just 1. In addition, survivors have a teachable perks. And if one does not want to play against someone, for sure will be another host who wants. People are different.
Firstly welcome to the internet!
/s =sarcasm
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You are inexperienced with the game go learn to play instead of asking the dev to cater to you.
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@Dragonredking said:
Firstly welcome to the internet!
/s =sarcasm
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You are inexperienced with the game go learn to play instead of asking the dev to cater to you.
You aren't suppose to chose wich killer you are going againstWell, I on your sarcasm and responded.
I'm learning, but many complain about balance problems.
Of course! It will be better if the players will just leave, seeing the hated killer. I've already seen this several times.0 -
Honestly my friend, every player has a killer they absolutely hate and do terrible against most games, or at least really struggle to do good against.
My suggestion is really focus on your looping and pallet game. Getting away from the killer has way more to do with enviornment and location during chases than anything else. Perks are a "supplement" to a good player not a requirement to win, however you should choose the perks that best suit your style of play. Practice your jukes, 360's, memorize the areas where pallets and windows appear and never run in the open or in a straight line. The only way to get better at dbd is through patient trial and error and a lot of bad games lol
Good luck out there and remember to always have fun!5 -
I was tunneled for the whole last game by the pig. Chased until all gens were done with the trap on until it went off.1
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And for the pig my biggest suggestion is to try and leave yourself a large field of vision at all times and constantly rotate camera to catch her sneaking. If you can see her coming a mile off you have effectively stripped her of her power0
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She was always close to me with the timer resuming. Maybe because she was crouching sometimes but we were close to each other the whole game and she was after me. Following me basically.Orion said:@Eveline said:
I was tunneled for the whole last game by the pig. Chased until all gens were done with the trap on until it went off.Trap doesn't tick if you're being chased, how did that come about?
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@Eveline said:
She was always close to me with the timer resuming. Maybe because she was crouching sometimes but we were close to each other the whole game and she was after me. Following me basically.Either you pissed her off tremendously, or she just wanted to see the animation. EDIT: Or she was toxic. I don't think this needs to be said, but whatever.
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I was just doing gen when she found me. Then I kept her busy for a while until she downed me. After that I got the trap on and she hooked me. Unhooked almost immediately by a hook farmer and that's when the chase resumed until the end.0
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@Eveline said:
I was just doing gen when she found me. Then I kept her busy for a while until she downed me. After that I got the trap on and she hooked me. Unhooked almost immediately by a hook farmer and that's when the chase resumed until the end.Define "kept her busy for a while". Put it into numbers. 2 generators? 3?
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Didn't even finished the gen, she found me at the start. Kept her busy, trying to run away/lose her. Not doing anything toxic unless not being caught immediately means I'm toxic.0
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@Eveline said:
Didn't even finished the gen, she found me at the start. Kept her busy, trying to run away/lose her. Not doing anything toxic unless not being caught immediately means I'm toxic.And how many generators were finished during the chase? That's what I want to know, I'm trying to find a rationale behind the Killer's actions - assuming it even exists.
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They only started popping after I was unhooked and she continued to tunnel me. She didn't care about it. Whenever I was close to the pallet she just kept standing near me. She didn't want me to escape that was obvious. All gens were done and eventually I was done for since she wouldn't let me untrap myself.0
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no. horrible idea. survivors would simply cherry pick the killer they want to face, so they can ez win without having to get good.
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@Dragonredking said:
Sure, allow killer to ban 4 survivor so you can't use your leveled up survivor and you have a deal /sSince survivor are just skins (beside ninja claudette) this has to be PERKS.
Let me just ban TWO perks in my lobby and I am fine.
No SC, no SB and I am a happy killer.0 -
@LightsOut88 said:
Honestly my friend, every player has a killer they absolutely hate and do terrible against most games, or at least really struggle to do good against.
My suggestion is really focus on your looping and pallet game. Getting away from the killer has way more to do with enviornment and location during chases than anything else. Perks are a "supplement" to a good player not a requirement to win, however you should choose the perks that best suit your style of play. Practice your jukes, 360's, memorize the areas where pallets and windows appear and never run in the open or in a straight line. The only way to get better at dbd is through patient trial and error and a lot of bad games lol
Good luck out there and remember to always have fun!A good game with looping and pallets will start to work out after a lot of time, time which may not be. However, thanks for the advices.
@LightsOut88 said:
And for the pig my biggest suggestion is to try and leave yourself a large field of vision at all times and constantly rotate camera to catch her sneaking. If you can see her coming a mile off you have effectively stripped her of her powerYes, it helps partly. But this only works with a good overview. It would be fairer if her speed were at less than 4.6. Since she has the advantage if she succeeds to sneak up close range.
Today again one player leave from the match and 2 die, in game vs her. Only because of this, I was escape, the hatch was right on the way.@Mister_xD said:
no. horrible idea. survivors would simply cherry pick the killer they want to face, so they can ez win without having to get good.Do you mean remove from the match 4 hated killers? No, idea in that, to not connect in lobbi with a one chosen bad killer.
This is just a sketch. Conditions can be changed, thought out. It may be that this opportunity only works up to level 10, or something else.Okay, okay, maybe it's just whining a noob, who can't play good. But even for noobs, the game should be attractive, otherwise who will support it with money? Yeah, a rhetorical question...
Maybe my butthurt will end, and I will learn to play against her. But I'm sure this improvement would give much more pleasure to non-pro-players. I think it will not cause a lot of problems. If people who do not want to play against some killer will be few - this will just not even notice. If a lot - it will be an excellent indicator that it is really imbalanced. Fair vote. In addition, it will not affect anyone except those who really do not want it. Pro-players just won't use it.0 -
The Pig when 1st playing is very annoying to go up again, but once you get more experience under your belt so to speak you play better against her.
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@Ghost077 said:
Hello. I play in DBD 1 week, 15 rank. And i hate f***ing Pig, impossible to play against her. It is impossible to run away, because of crouching. It's a hell camping. If you are wearing a trap, you have to run all over map, search a key, where she will easily camping you. I have no idea, what to do against her. In all games against her, I was dying, and the other survivors too, 3 or 4.Maybe she is too strong for non-top players. Maybe this is just my problem. But will be great, if a was possible not to play against the most inconvenient killer. For example when searching in the game, were excluded those where the host a Pig.
Sorry, for bad english, i know him a little.You just haven't met the BBQ Billy yet. It will change your world.
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I think you should focus on learning how to play against her instead of wanting outright content removal. I don’t mean to sound rude, so please don’t assume the worst of my intentions, but that’s like asking for a shotgun for use against a killer. You’re taking one out.0
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For the OP, what you're describing is a combination of inexperienced killers going up against inexperienced survivors. That will change with time. The tactics you're experiencing are not because of the specific killer, it's the player behind that killer.
The best tactic against a crouching Pig is similar to what you should do against Myers. Keep your camera swiveling. Look everywhere constantly. In contrast to the Myers tactic, try to hide if you think you haven't been spotted. If the Pig has seen you already, just run.
As for the Pig @Eveline is talking about, it seems like they just wanted to get a head pop and didn't care about the match.
For those who want to play Pig effectively...
The way a lot of people seem to play Pig (tunnelling, camping, etc) makes her a lower-middle tier killer. Played properly, I'd call her a high-mid tier. Not top tier by any means.
Some people seem to think the RBT is her primary method of killing survivors, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The RBT is the Pig's game slowdown method, and a Pig who tunnels someone wearing an RBT is hurting their own score.
Get your first down, then trap them and hook them. Go hunt someone else. Now you have one person being chased, one person unhooking, one person running off to find a key, and one person doing a gen. That is a LOAD of wasted time, even considering that the unhooker will likely get back on a gen while the trapped person looks for a key.
Don't put another trap on anyone until either the first one has been removed or three gens have been done. I always try to keep traps in reserve equal to the number of gens left to do, but it's more important to always have one person trapped.
If you see the trapped person, start a chase with them to move them away from the nearest box, but only commit if you know you can down them VERY quickly. I'd might even just slug them instead of hooking. That person is not doing gens so they're not your primary target, but slugging them will get someone else off gens and waste less time than hooking them.
You want to juggle it so there's always one looking for a key, one being chased, and one either unhooking or healing. As long as that is going on, gen progress slows to a crawl.0 -
Stopped reading at "impossible to play against her".3
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Only if I can click a tickbox that says I wont queue up with P3 Claudett's.
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I think it would be interesting to have a temporary "blacklist" of characters to face, for 1-2 rounds. When creating/loading a lobby, it adds a tag to the player of the character they are loading in as, and if you have a certain character "blacklisted," the game will try to prevent matching with that tag. This would not affect swapping characters while in the lobby, so that's a loophole. In this instance (yours), if you are tired of playing against the Pig, you could "blacklist" the Pig, and for 2 games, you would not be matched with any killer that created a lobby as the Pig. Similarly, as killer, if you are tired of playing against Claudette, you can "blacklist" Claudette, and the game will try to prevent matching Claudettes with you for 2 games.
Aside from that, you're just going to have to suck up playing with whatever killer you randomly match with.
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So in other words you want to never play against nurse?
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@Haku said:
You just haven't met the BBQ Billy yet. It will change your world.I met) And play for him. Did not cause problems above medium. If player don't camper and tunneler of course, but this problem for all. I seen all, except Bubba and Witch. And no one don't piss me off. Freddi intense me, but i think, because this was a first meet.
@DarkWo1f997 said:
I think you should focus on learning how to play against her instead of wanting outright content removal. I don’t mean to sound rude, so please don’t assume the worst of my intentions, but that’s like asking for a shotgun for use against a killer. You’re taking one out.Just one fact, the most number of leavers were when playing against her. Not 20 level, 15. For 50 hours of play. I don't understand why this look like "taking one out", this will only affect those who do not want to play against her. Or do you think, there will be no one to play against her?
@Esheon said:
The way a lot of people seem to play Pig (tunnelling, camping, etc) makes her a lower-middle tier killer. Played properly, I'd call her a high-mid tier. Not top tier by any means.Unfortunately, it often happens. Perk "Make Your Choice" do camping easier, rescue surv off the hook and she get you for one punch. However, theoretically perks is available to everyone. Piss me off, the combination of stealth and speed, and these traps. Separately, it would be tolerable, but all together...
@CoolAKn said:
I think it would be interesting to have a temporary "blacklist" of characters to face, for 1-2 rounds. When creating/loading a lobby, it adds a tag to the player of the character they are loading in as, and if you have a certain character "blacklisted," the game will try to prevent matching with that tag. This would not affect swapping characters while in the lobby, so that's a loophole. In this instance (yours), if you are tired of playing against the Pig, you could "blacklist" the Pig, and for 2 games, you would not be matched with any killer that created a lobby as the Pig. Similarly, as killer, if you are tired of playing against Claudette, you can "blacklist" Claudette, and the game will try to prevent matching Claudettes with you for 2 games.Aside from that, you're just going to have to suck up playing with whatever killer you randomly match with.
Yes! This guy understands what I mean. Though be so.
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Actually, if the killer is camping then Make Your Choice does nothing for them.
In order for MYC to trigger, the killer has to be at least 32 meters away from the hook when the survivor is unhooked. It takes The Pig 7 seconds to move 32 meters while standing, or 9 seconds to do so while crouching.
As soon as you unhook someone while MYC is in play, you get the "Exposed" notification, your character makes a hurt sound, and blood flows from your hand. At that point, you have at least 7 seconds to run and/or hide.
This also has a side benefit. If you know the killer has MYC but you do not get these notifications, you know that the killer is less than 32 meters away from you.2 -
Ok I like this idea.
Each survivor can bann one killer and the killer can bann 4 survivors. Lets implement this into the game, cant wait to bann all those claudettes and I will be glad to play a different killer than pig if you dislike her so much
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@Esheon said:
Actually, if the killer is camping then Make Your Choice does nothing for them.In order for MYC to trigger, the killer has to be at least 32 meters away from the hook when the survivor is unhooked. It takes The Pig 7 seconds to move 32 meters while standing, or 9 seconds to do so while crouching.
As soon as you unhook someone while MYC is in play, you get the "Exposed" notification, your character makes a hurt sound, and blood flows from your hand. At that point, you have at least 7 seconds to run and/or hide.
If killer will wait for this, in 7 seconds, she will find me or a wounded surv. Then will have to leave him wounded, not to protect and not to heal. That will allow killer tunneling him. Well, here I am not sure, maybe a small of experience prevents me from doing it.
@DeadByFlashlight said:
Ok I like this idea.Each survivor can bann one killer and the killer can bann 4 survivors.
Why 4? One. Actually, it is possible and four, just afraid then killer will have to long wait in lobby
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A ban system in a game like this? Hell no lol
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I'm... not really sure what you're on about there, OP. Are you saying a 7-second head start is not enough time for you to get to a pallet? The only way the killer finds you in 7 seconds is if you stay at the hook.
Even if you just run in a straight line away from the killer, you cover 28 meters in 7 seconds, which means that when the killer reaches the hook you're almost at the edge of their terror radius. If the person you unhooked had Sprint Burst, they're 6 meters ahead of you.
So let's say the killer starts chasing you from that point, and you just run in a straight line...
10 seconds later, the killer is 22 meters from you. 10 seconds after that, the killer is 16 meters from you. 10 seconds after that the killer is only 10 meters from you, but the MYC timer is down to 23 seconds left.
You have traveled a total of 148 meters over 37 seconds from the unhook. Somewhere along that path there was some way of wasting the killer's time. A jungle gym, a pallet, the killer shack, something. All you have to do is waste 23 more seconds.
Or, you could have just sprinted away for a few seconds and then hidden behind a rock or wall.
Or, you could have two people go for the unhook. Both of you heal, and the one without MYC stays to distract while the other two run away.
The key thing is prediction. Both sides of this game have to predict what the other side will do. If there's an obvious path to run away, then maybe the killer will assume you went that way and try to cut you off there. Maybe they'll go straight to the hook.maybe they're chasing someone else and won't come at all.
In other words... Make Your Choice.
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You're a rank 15. Play more and you'll see why this is a bad idea.0
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@Esheon said:
The key thing is prediction. Both sides of this game have to predict what the other side will do. If there's an obvious path to run away, then maybe the killer will assume you went that way and try to cut you off there. Maybe they'll go straight to the hook.maybe they're chasing someone else and won't come at all.Practice shows, if killer is waiting for this, he finds saved or saving in most cases. In the footprint or groans. Of course, any other killer can tunnel, but with this perk it is easier, because there is no way to shield wounded with my body. Anyway, the skills are available to all the killers, so it does not matter. As I said before, it’s not the individual thing that makes me nervous, but the combination stealth, speed and these traps.
@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
You're a rank 15. Play more and you'll see why this is a bad idea.Well see. So, i am a 10 rank now. Now this problem is solved - Pig just stopped encounter for me in matches. Maybe at 10th rank they do not play for her, maybe the entity or the god of DBD heard me, lol.
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@Ghost077 said:
Well see. So, i am a 10 rank now. Now this problem is solved - Pig just stopped encounter for me in matches. Maybe at 10th rank they do not play for her, maybe the entity or the god of DBD heard me, lol.It's because the Pig is a bad Killer for high ranks, like we've been telling you. You're just bad at the game.
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@Orion said:
It's because the Pig is a bad Killer for high ranks, like we've been telling you.If this is a way not to encounter her, it suits me.
You're just bad at the game.
I have no target to be "bad" or "good" in this game. Everything is relative. Bad relative to top player? Let it be so. I want to enjoy the game, and for this i think not necessary to be a top. I am not a newbie, and this should be enough.
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@Ghost077 said:
@Orion said:
It's because the Pig is a bad Killer for high ranks, like we've been telling you.If this is a way not to encounter her, it suits me.
You're just bad at the game.
I have no target to be "bad" or "good" in this game. Everything is relative. Bad relative to top player? Let it be so. I want to enjoy the game, and for this i think not necessary to be a top. I am not a newbie, and this should be enough.
Bad relative to how good you think you are.
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I can't read minds, no. However, you think your inability to win against the Pig is because the character is inherently OP, so that tells me you think you're not making any mistakes when going up against her. That, in turn, tells me you think you think you're better than the player using her, but only lose because the character itself is too powerful, when the reality is that the character is underpowered and you're just not good enough to beat her.
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@Orion said:
I can't read minds, no. However, you think your inability to win against the Pig is because the character is inherently OP, so that tells me you think you're not making any mistakes when going up against her. That, in turn, tells me you think you think you're better than the player using her, but only lose because the character itself is too powerful, when the reality is that the character is underpowered and you're just not good enough to beat her.Of course, I make mistakes. But in the game against other killers, this does not prevent to have chances to win. If a lot of players have difficulties against a character - yes, it means that he is not balanced. If it becomes balanced at high levels, it does not make it less unbalanced at another levels. All players have the right to vote, not just tops. In your opinion only the top.
For example, in a game Dawn Of War Soulstorm, the Eldar race is unbalanced strongest. However, a pro player can beat another player for a weaker one. But this does not cancel unbalanced this race. Even a weak player, if he learns a few abuses, will easy beat the rest of his level. And this not okay. If to get pleasure from game, need to become a top player to beat someone pers or race - this not okay.2 -
So instead of learning to counter a Killer, you would rather just pull up your covers and avoid the issue. The term "just get good" has never been so fitting.
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@Ghost077 said:
@Orion said:
I can't read minds, no. However, you think your inability to win against the Pig is because the character is inherently OP, so that tells me you think you're not making any mistakes when going up against her. That, in turn, tells me you think you think you're better than the player using her, but only lose because the character itself is too powerful, when the reality is that the character is underpowered and you're just not good enough to beat her.Of course, I make mistakes. But in the game against other killers, this does not prevent to have chances to win. If a lot of players have difficulties against a character - yes, it means that he is not balanced. If it becomes balanced at high levels, it does not make it less unbalanced at another levels. All players have the right to vote, not just tops. In your opinion only the top.
For example, in a game Dawn Of War Soulstorm, the Eldar race is unbalanced strongest. However, a pro player can beat another player for a weaker one. But this does not cancel unbalanced this race. Even a weak player, if he learns a few abuses, will easy beat the rest of his level. And this not okay. If to get pleasure from game, need to become a top player to beat someone pers or race - this not okay.Yes, the game should be balanced at the top, because that's where skill is (more or less) equal, and thus only differences in mechanics affect the outcome of trials. That's a scientific approach, and not only is it OK, but it is objectively the best way to balance a game.
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You can do this already with MLGA, and it's not bannable by the devs and they're okay with it
You can use it to blacklist killers whom you don't like, or if they are playing a certain Killer
(Several mods already confirmed this, plus EAC confirms it's not bannable)
We need to spread this more so the devs will start putting this on the blacklist
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@Someissues said:
You can do this already with MLGA, and it's not bannable by the devs and they're okay with itYou can use it to blacklist killers whom you don't like, or if they are playing a certain Killer
(Several mods already confirmed this, plus EAC confirms it's not bannable)
We need to spread this more so the devs will start putting this on the blacklist
You can't blacklist "killer", only "killer player" , right?
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Seeing with a RBT on my head is easy, hearing anything over BEEP BEEP BEEP is a whole 'nother story.
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