Possible Resolution to Face Camping
I know alot of Killer mains are going to chainsaw my head off for this one but i have a suggestion to aid with Face Campers. The Entity based on the lore feeds on "Hope" right? im sure it does so with that being said, Kilers who are face camping are denying the entity that supposed "hope" that it feeds off. Why not have it so that once a survivor is "hooked", the killer would be Forced to leave ACZ(Anti-Camp Zone) area,and ill explain how to make it fair on both parties. If the killer is within 10 - 15 meters of a "hooked" surivor, then their Hooked meter will NOT go down. Why? because that "hope" that the entitiy feeds off is being denied. How can it recieve any "hope" if the survivor has no way of being unhooked against a Face camper. After a killer is forced to leave the ACZ, they are forced to engage with other survivors. This creates a more interactive experience for the killer and other survivors allowing a more extended playtime for the ongoing match. Face camping is not penalized as it is considered one of the most toxic playstyles in this game,so to eliminate some toxicity, why not have a system like this intergrated to force those face camping killer types to engage. So to make it fair for the killer, in ACZ where the killer is forced to vacate, depending on how many survivors are in ACZ whom are attempting to go for the Unhook save. It will reactivate the Hooked Meter Countdown. 1 survivor in the ACZ is less then slightly decrease speed, 2 survivors near the ACZ is moderate speed, and all 3 survivors in the ACZ, forcing the killer to roam the ACZ triggers the default hook countdown speed. something like this would make it "fair" for both the Surviving party and Killer. I dont see how this can be negative for either parties. It elimates toxicity and promotes actual skill in survival. Face Camping only ruins this game in my opinion. Let me know your thoughts. I hope the devs can give this a good read. Happy hunting everyone.
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1. You are not entitled to hook escapes.2. Facecamping doesn't exist anymore as you can't block unhook prompt as a killer3. Survivors have plenty of perks that help to save from hook. BT and we'll make it are the best ones for that Y3. Your ingenious idea was already tested by devs a while back.
Survivors abused the hell out of it. They stayed around the hook, looping or just running around.Killer will chase other survivors most of the time but if he sees every other survivor running to him, why would he leave?
Survivors are not doing the gens and not applying pressure to the killer.There is a strategy to it and your idea is heavily abusable.3 -
On top of what was said above, there are logical reasons for camping, like exit gates being open, meaning it's incredibly stupid to leave a survivor in that situation.
Camping is inefficient against competent survivors. Wanna know why? Because in the time it takes for that hooked person to die, 3 gens, and 2 more are at least partly done if their chase was at least 30 seconds long and if the survivors dont stuff around. The only reason camping works is because survivors let it happen. Instead of leaving and doing gens, they sit around the hook. Camping is a viable strategy, it's not going to be changed.1 -
If your idea is about punishing Killers for being near the hook, it's inherently bad, has already been tried, and failed miserably. Think outside the box instead of going for a knee-jerk reaction.
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All of the above plus using a victim as bait to lure out more survivor is a totally legit tactic that is perfectly in line with the sourcematerial.
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So what im hearing is that everyone here is okay with face camping... So your admiting to being a terrible killer then?
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Also, standing and face camping sounds like a whole lot of fun, just saying. Thats not how you make blood points... ...
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@ParalyKoK said:
So what im hearing is that everyone here is okay with face camping... So your admiting to being a terrible killer then?You are experiencing auditory hallucinations, if that's the case. I suggest you go see a psychiatrist.
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@ParalyKoK This is just a case of "don't like it, don't do it." A lot of people here may condone face camping, but that doesn't really mean they do it themselves (often anyway). Many of them camp because they've had bad experiences with survivors being jerks to them, so they needed to be jerks back. I hate being camped as a survivor, so I don't camp as a killer. Some people play fair, others don't.
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@ParalyKoK said:
So what im hearing is that everyone here is okay with face camping... So your admiting to being a terrible killer then?You sound like a flat earther… you ask us about something that doesn't exist in the first place.^^
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If your saying Face camping doesn't exist then we clearly must not be playing the same Dead by Daylight game. I see it all the time. How about i make a montage video of 4 hours worth of different killers and players doing it and you tell me it doesn't exist... -_-
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@ParalyKoK said:
If your saying Face camping doesn't exist then we clearly must not be playing the same Dead by Daylight game. I see it all the time. How about i make a montage video of 4 hours worth of different killers and players doing it and you tell me it doesn't exist... -_-You're too new to know what face camping really is, and like most new players, have dubbed proximity camping as "face camping".
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What i was talking about was literal Face camping. Nice way of earning blood points, commiting to chases, ya easy clap thumbs up. True skill right there guys... No, you guys are absolutely correct. Face camping is most definitely the most challenging thing a killer can do. I salute you guys o7
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@ParalyKoK said:
What i was talking about was literal Face camping. Nice way of earning blood points, commiting to chases, ya easy clap thumbs up. True skill right there guys... No, you guys are absolutely correct. Face camping is most definitely the most challenging thing a killer can do. I salute you guys o7Nobody said any of the things you claim we said. Again, if you're experiencing auditory hallucinations, you should see a psychiatrist. They get paid to deal with that #########.
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ParalyKoK said:
If your saying Face camping doesn't exist then we clearly must not be playing the same Dead by Daylight game. I see it all the time. How about i make a montage video of 4 hours worth of different killers and players doing it and you tell me it doesn't exist... -_-
So you really don't know what facecamping even is. Facecamping is killer standing in front of the hook, completely blocking unhook prompt, before multidirectional unhooking was implemented.
You literally couldn't interact with the hook.
That was patched and it no longer possible.No other facecamping exist.
Now what the hell are you talking about and using wrong definitions to back it up?1 -
So your telling me that leather face has his literal face on Nea's knees reving his chainsaw until she dies is not face camping??? Waiting for someone to show up. no chance to unhook. doesnt step away not once... is that not face camping??? like for real.....
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@ParalyKoK said:
So your telling me that leather face has his literal face on Nea's knees reving his chainsaw until she dies is not face camping??? Waiting for someone to show up. no chance to unhook. doesnt step away not once... is that not face camping??? like for real.....No, it's not. Like I said, you're too new to know what face camping actually is.
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I know your trying to use the "technical Patch note updates" to back up your claims but Face camping still exists... There are somethings that wot go away. Again i repeat we must not be playing the same game then if your insisting that Face camping doesnt exist. Even though the previous Body block face camp method was patch. The act of face camping still exist and thats not how you play this game. You earn nothing for doing it. wheres the Blood Points for doing it then....
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@ParalyKoK said:
I know your trying to use the "technical Patch note updates" to back up your claims but Face camping still exists... There are somethings that wot go away. Again i repeat we must not be playing the same game then if your insisting that Face camping doesnt exist. Even though the previous Body block face camp method was patch. The act of face camping still exist and thats not how you play this game. You earn nothing for doing it. wheres the Blood Points for doing it then....We are playing the same game. The difference is that I've been here from the start and know how it works, whereas you arrived 10 minutes ago and think you already know everything there is to know.
The only wrong way to play the game is by cheating and exploiting; everything else is fair game.
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Playing on the fact that it was patched, doesn't mean it has been fixxed. The method is still in practice and it spoils the experience of this game. Again i am not new to this game. Your making assumptions again and you look extremely ignorant on that matter.
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@ParalyKoK said:
Playing on the fact that it was patched, doesn't mean it has been fixxed. The method is still in practice and it spoils the experience of this game. Again i am not new to this game. Your making assumptions again and you look extremely ignorant on that matter.If you weren't new, you'd know that face camping is blocking the unhook prompt, but you don't, so you are.
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Your assuming because its my First Post that im new. Thats funny. Excuse me if i dont spend a quarter of my life on the Forums for a half dead game. again, ignorance on your part.
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Again your going base off patch note technicallities. What i explained eariler with the leather face and nea is considered a Face Camp...
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ParalyKoK said:
So your telling me that leather face has his literal face on Nea's knees reving his chainsaw until she dies is not face camping??? Waiting for someone to show up. no chance to unhook. doesnt step away not once... is that not face camping??? like for real.....
That was actually adressed by the latest patch. If Killer times it wrong unhooked survivor will get a speed boost from getting hit but not go down because of invurnability while being unhooked.Same thing can be done by every killer with 1 shot.
It's counter is to use BT.
It's best use of LF power anyway as it is fairly useless at everything else.This question was answered by the devs themselves actually. They can only add mechanics and perks that encourage certain behaviours over others with extra bp and rank up possibility. They will never force players to play one way or the other.What if the killer just downs you immidietely after unhook and mori you?
Unbalanced? Probably but it is gane with killers and survivors.Everyone can play how he wants as long as it is abiding game rules.1 -
ParalyKoK said:
So your telling me that leather face has his literal face on Nea's knees reving his chainsaw until she dies is not face camping??? Waiting for someone to show up. no chance to unhook. doesnt step away not once... is that not face camping??? like for real.....
Also, answering your question. No it is not facecamping. You can still unhook, you will just die in the process.
Just like basement save with LF nearby is near impossible without sacrifice of one of the survivors.1 -
@ParalyKoK said:
Your assuming because its my First Post that im new. Thats funny. Excuse me if i dont spend a quarter of my life on the Forums for a half dead game. again, ignorance on your part.The game has been alive and well for over two years. Again, you'd know that if you weren't new.
I'm assuming you're new because you're making several categorical mistakes that new players make all the time.@ParalyKoK said:
Again your going base off patch note technicallities. What i explained eariler with the leather face and nea is considered a Face Camp...You consider it face camping, but it's not, because face camping is an exploit that was removed. Again, you'd know that if you weren't new.
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True "facecamping" made unhooking IMPOSSIBLE. Like real technically not possible.
Not risky, not challenging, not dangerous, not a 100% trade on hooks, but NOT possible by any means. Even when the killer player goes afk.
That was "facecamping". And that does not exist anymore.1 -
What I am hearing are players who think its ok stand 1 inch away from a hooked survivor while revving their chainsaw and not call it Face Camping, If thats not face camping then what would you call it. what name would you give it then, because all im hearing is a load of bs from what sounds like killer mains using a patch note technicallity as their only like of defense which looks super weak on all of your behalfs.
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@ParalyKoK said:
What I am hearing are players who think its ok stand 1 inch away from a hooked survivor while revving their chainsaw and not call it Face Camping, If thats not face camping then what would you call it. what name would you give it then, because all im hearing is a load of bs from what sounds like killer mains using a patch note technicallity as their only like of defense which looks super weak on all of your behalfs.What you're hearing has no relation to what is actually being said, we've been over this already.
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No your avoiding the question, you fail to answer it. over and over again because you cant. thats why. Again. If Leatherface has hooked Nea... follow so far. he stands directly infront of her right... Revving the chainsaw and NOT moving AT ALL.... what would you call that.... hmmmm pray tell id love to hear this because im more then certain it cant possibly be face camping since it was patched right? i love to hear this lol
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Again… "facecamping" made unhooking technically impossible no matter what risk you took.
That was an exploit that got removed.
If you don't like getting camped, fine, but stop using the term "facecamping".1 -
@ParalyKoK said:
No your avoiding the question, you fail to answer it. over and over again because you cant. thats why. Again. If Leatherface has hooked Nea... follow so far. he stands directly infront of her right... Revving the chainsaw and NOT moving AT ALL.... what would you call that.... hmmmm pray tell id love to hear this because im more then certain it cant possibly be face camping since it was patched right? i love to hear this lolI did answer the question, which further proves you haven't been hearing what we've been saying. I'll put it in bold for you:
@Orion said:
@ParalyKoK said:
If your saying Face camping doesn't exist then we clearly must not be playing the same Dead by Daylight game. I see it all the time. How about i make a montage video of 4 hours worth of different killers and players doing it and you tell me it doesn't exist... -_-You're too new to know what face camping really is, and like most new players, have dubbed proximity camping as "face camping".
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Ok so its not face camping, then what is it then?? no one has yet answer that.. lol its funny knowing that you guys can disregard the face camp but cant give this a name...
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Again your not answering the previous question. What. is. it. called. then?
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@ParalyKoK said:
Ok so its not face camping, then what is it then?? no one has yet answer that.. lol its funny knowing that you guys can disregard the face camp but cant give this a name...The question has already been answered, you just haven't been reading it. That's why you keep saying that you're hearing things we haven't been saying.
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@ParalyKoK said:
Again your not answering the previous question. What. is. it. called. then?I'm going to assume English is not your first language, since I literally put it in bold for you. It's called "proximity camping".
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So leather standing 1 inch away from nea is proxi camping??? am i following this correctly?
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Proxi Camping : When killer stands 1 meter in front of Hooked survivor, doesn't move at all while waiting for survivor to die. is this true???
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@ParalyKoK said:
So leather standing 1 inch away from nea is proxi camping??? am i following this correctly?Proximity. If you say "proxi", people will just think you can't spell "proxy".
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still not aswering my question, is it that definition true or not?
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@ParalyKoK said:
Proxi Camping : When killer stands 1 meter in front of Hooked survivor, doesn't move at all while waiting for survivor to die. is this true???No. Once again, you're hearing things that nobody's saying. Proximity camping is when the Killer stays close to the hook. I recommend you start actually reading what is being said, instead of making stuff up.
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@ParalyKoK said:
still not aswering my question, is it that definition true or not?You posted that comment while I was still writing my own, take a chill pill.
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@ParalyKoK said:
I know your trying to use the "technical Patch note updates" to back up your claims but Face camping still exists...@ParalyKoK said:
Playing on the fact that it was patched, doesn't mean it has been fixxed.@ParalyKoK said:
Again your going base off patch note technicallities@ParalyKoK said
because all im hearing is a load of bs from what sounds like killer mains using a patch note technicallity as their only like of defense which looks super weak on all of your behalfs.Patch notes did not invent the term "face camping". It has always meant blocking the unhook prompt, making it literally impossible to make a save. That is why we assume you are new. Because you are using terms that you do not know the definition of. Just... stop. Everyone else has already addressed the other dumb claims you've made but I had to chime in on this point.
PS: even in your scenario of Leatherface hard camping Nea, a save is still possible so long as you have 3 members. One takes the chainsaw, the other makes the save during the chainsaw recovery. It's a trade. It may not be the trade you like as a survivor but why aren't you pushing gens or leaving through the exit gates while this is happening? In the case of not having 3 members for this, it's become a free hatch escape.
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Thank you for clairfying that it is camping. Call it what you want. face to face. with a stubborn leather face whose practically licking neas knee caps revving a chainsaw is face camping. The defenses everyone here has provided is extremely weak, so ill just assume most of you actually play killer like this. have a good one. Camp on.
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@ParalyKoK said:
Thank you for clairfying that it is camping. Call it what you want. face to face. with a stubborn leather face whose practically licking neas knee caps revving a chainsaw is face camping. The defenses everyone here has provided is extremely weak, so ill just assume most of you actually play killer like this. have a good one. Camp on.It's not, though, and you're still wrong. You'll always be wrong because you can't admit error and can't correct yourself.
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@ParalyKoK said:
Again your not answering the previous question. What. is. it. called. then?I would call it "hard camping".
"Proximity camping" is more close area patrolling to me.
That's the most common encountered definition of camping styles.
And anybody using the term "facecampng" for regular camping is outing himself as a noob.1 -
@Wolf74 said:
@ParalyKoK said:
Again your not answering the previous question. What. is. it. called. then?I would call it "hard camping".
"Proximity camping" is more close area patrolling to me.
That's the most common encountered definition of camping styles.
And anybody using the term "facecampng" for regular camping is outing himself as a noob.You're right. People have too many terms for "types" camping, I'd honestly prefer the umbrella term "camping", with "face camping" for the now-removed exploit and call it a day.
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@ParalyKoK said:
Thank you for clairfying that it is camping.Yes. Camping exists. It has been condoned by the developers as an intended strategy. Get used to it, it's not going anywhere or just move on to another game.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SuspiciousUglyWhaleStoneLightning
@ParalyKoK said:
The defenses everyone here has provided is extremely weak, so ill just assume most of you actually play killer like this. have a good one. Camp on."Everyone is telling me I'm wrong. Therefor everyone must be wrong except me."
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From the Devs mouth themselves, thats the intel i was looking for. Thank you for the clip. Cheerz
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@Orion said:
@Wolf74 said:
@ParalyKoK said:
Again your not answering the previous question. What. is. it. called. then?I would call it "hard camping".
"Proximity camping" is more close area patrolling to me.
That's the most common encountered definition of camping styles.
And anybody using the term "facecampng" for regular camping is outing himself as a noob.You're right. People have too many terms for "types" camping, I'd honestly prefer the umbrella term "camping", with "face camping" for the now-removed exploit and call it a day.
Hard camping
Soft camping
Stealth camping (Insidious, cloak or No-TR-Myers)
Proximity camping (aka patroling )
Gen camping (protecting your objective)
Trap camping (using a trap near a hook)
Range camping Huntress, Billy, Nurse)
Basement camping (using the basement)
Totem camping (protecting Hexes)
Bleed out camping (aka slugging)0 -
Almost as fun as running circles around a slab of wood, like what most toxic survivors do, and would defend with their mothers life, even though it is not fair to the killer.ParalyKoK said:Also, standing and face camping sounds like a whole lot of fun, just saying. Thats not how you make blood points... ...
Face camping got removed with swivel hooks. I thing its time pallet looping got removed too.1
