Make Your Mind Up Survivors
- Survivors hate Tunnelling and Camping.
- Survivors also hate Gen Regression/Defense Perks that allows the Killer to extend the match without having to Tunnel/Camp. (Ruin +Undying rewarded Killers for Map Control a and allowed Killer to do multiple chases).
Survivors - Rushes gens in 3-4 mins giving the Killer no time to do multiple chases or get close to the 12 Hook counter. What does this cause?
- Camping
- Tunnelling
- Slugging
Pop - Nerfed
Ruin - Nerfed
Undying - Nerfed
Pig Traps - Nerfed
Freddy Add-Ons - Nerfed (Most likely will again)
So my question is this. If Survivor mains hated Ruin + Undying so much are you guys actually wanting the Killer to play more lame as that is the direction the game is heading. I don't like Camping nor Tunnelling but let's be honest we have all had at least 1 match where we have been forced to do so to secure a Kill after a 3-4 min game. Not only does this create very unfun gameplay for Killer but it's obviously very unfun for Survivors.
Undying had 0 reason to be nerfed as it allows Killers to somewhat follow the Survivor Rule book to allow them to last longer in a match but for some reason Undying was considered "Unhealthy" for the game. How is a Perk that allows the match to be longer than 3-4 mins unhealthy for the game exactly? Meanwhile perks like Insidious are still in this game, a perk that is honestly only used for 1 lame purpose. Insidious could be great if reworked correctly so it actually has a good purpose.
I wouldn't be surprised if Devour got some sort of Nerf later down the track as that has recently replaced Ruin but if the Devs want to use "Stats" for their Balance then by that logic we should be seeing a Nurse buff at some stage, I'm personally fine with Nurse at the moment, I play her without addons but if the devs want to go off stats then I won't say no to a buff to her.
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You're acting as if every game you play as killer is 3-4 minutes, and not once every few days.
Despite this, tunnel and camp all you want, just don't be suprised when survivors return the favour.
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Very well, let me gather together the Council of Survivor Mains so we may come to a unified, democratic decision as a whole on these matters.
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You don't need Pop, Ruin, Undying or massive game slow down to have a chance as Killer. You don't need to play scummy to have a chance as Killer.
Where is this ideology spreading from?
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Amen 👍
Didn't get the idea why undying had to be nerfed
Survivors: give us more stuff to do than only repair gens.
Devs: ok here's undying
Survivors: reeeeee that perk is to strong an rewards bad killers
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If anything, it punished survivors who didn't bother about bones.
It was fine by me and never had trouble with it.
Sam with old ruin.
1 of the reasons it was nerfed was because when newbies try to repair a gen together with veterans and was annoying they could not do it.
The only reason you could do a gen together with a veteran as a newbie was in a swf.
If you play in a swf you know the risks and are willing to take that risk.
Imo there was nothing wrong with the old ruin.
And they could have tweaked it like now so pop couldn't apply on it as long as ruin was up
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Well I can tell you that since a few weeks there is a lot more gen rushing going on, a lot.
It is not once every few days anymore, and yes you can still come back from it but that only depands on how much the survivors F up.
Not long a lgo I had a game as wraith and 4 gens were done in around 4-5 minutes and I only got 3 or 4 hooks.
This was on thompson house and the only reason I got a 4k out of this was they only focused on the middle gen and not on the other 3.
Had they split up than all 4 escaped within about 7 minutes total match time.
And this is only 1 example as the gen rushing is most definitely increasing
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My Only issue with undying was that it showed auras near every dull totem. With how long it takes to break them the killer was always on you before you could finish destroying it.
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There's a sweet spot between having to cleanse 5 ######### totems to get rid of a perk while the killer is tunneling, slugging and camping, and 3 minute gens.
Edit: and I should clarify, now we're in it.
Double edit: seriously, I never saw a killer going for 12-hook trials with old Ruin/Undying. Not once in what, 5 months? It was always "I play badly and camp high-progress gens and hooks but still win."
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To be fair, with the 32 charge toolboxes they are getting for the event, it's been fairly brutal lately. Gens are going by a bit faster than usual.
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Most survivors are complaining about the hitbox (desync) issues we have right now. But once those are fixed, we´re stuck with 4 minute matches. Yesterday i played 2 matches as killer and 20+ as survivor. The only ones that took longer than 5 minutes, where the matches were someone disconnected or suicided. Gen speed truly is ridiculous and most of the time, survivors have completed 4 gens by the time the killer got his third hook.
So yeah, survivors can now enjoy the gen repair simulator. I wonder how long it takes until they complain how boring it is.
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Definitely a bit faster, but not 3-4 minutes fast.
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Yeah generally not.
Time goes by faster playing DBD than people think. "Omg I lost a gen in the first minute" and it's been like 3 lol.
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I mean, literally no one, not even hard core survivor mains wanted pop nerfed, the devs just nerfed it because...well who cares, it was a dumb nerf that no one wanted.
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Are we playing the same game? No seriously, that's a genuine question.
If you don't bring said perks & tactics into a red-rank match, unless the survivors are boosted, you are ultimately screwed. Does this mean you have to play like that? No, but you sure as hell won't win 90% of the time if you don't.
No matter how efficient you play, if the survivors have half a brain & are all split up on separate gens, there is little to nothing you can do about it.
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True, that could be annoying and they could have taken away the aura reading and keep the rest.
Tho if I knew a killer had undying, I just kept baiting him.
I kept on it for a few seconds and than when I see him come my way I ran of till he went away, then just repeat.
It waisted so much time on the killers end while the other 3 were just doing the gens.
Then you don't play on ps4 in the EU I guess?
I used it the beginning but never paid attention to it, I just went for the chases and hooks and never watched for the aura's.
Sure when I just stubbed upon a survivor while I was close I'd chased him of.
Never did I tunnel, camp or slug and always go for 12 hooks.
Cleansing 5 totems isn't that hard.
And be fair, how many times did you actually had to cleanse 5 totems?
Most of the time it was 3 at max and 5 on very rare occasions.
Personally i wouldn't even search for ruin/undying when a killer is camping or tunneling, i would stick to the gens and push out as much as possible.
If he camps he lost, if he tunnels and the survivor can manage it then he also lost.
If he sluggs I wouldn't care for gens when 3 are done but helping them get up.
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It goes faster then you might realise.
I sometimes watch back my gameplay and start the stopwatch as soon as I'm able to move.
I can tell you for certain there were many matches where 4 gens were done in 3 minutes.
Those were the most fun matches I've had.
In lower ranks it might not be going this fast, but in red ranks it is most definitely a issue atm.
Been like this for a few weeks now
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Can I just ask what killer do you play, and what perks do you use with them? Because I haven't had these issues as of much recently, and it may be due to the killer you're playing as...? It would definitely help me understand the situation more.
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Agree, they tend to forget survivors spawn on gens while the killer has first find a survivor.
This can sometimes take about 30 ish seconds before you find one, and it takes about 30ish sec to finish a gen with 3 or 4 survivors on it
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The worst ones that are the survivors that play hard and then complain when you do the same. They’ll sit on a gen to remove it from the game right in front of your face and then cry when you eliminate one of them from the game before 2-hooking everyone.
At some point you gotta realise that you’re the reason the killer is sweating.
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Nerds
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Sorry I already disagree no matter what you propose just to be dificult so it's not a unified democratic decision.
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I don't care about being camped or tunneled if all the gens are done. The problem is killers who camp and tunnel early in the match.
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Ruin wasn’t nerfed period
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I said this ages ago as well; nerf a combo that promotes healthy play and you'll male killers resort to camping/tunnelling. Then that'll be moaned about again. Take away the killers tools and they'll resort to desperate measures
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The nerf bbq noed and some other post that's was above this thread
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Undying/Ruin did not promote healthy game play. If you were on a map that totems were hard to find it mad the game miserable. The new version is pretty balanced. Add in the extra potential of things like Devour and Lullaby and I think the trade off was pretty fair.
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Wait what? Undying Ruin not being a healthy gameplay? Killer had to pressure survivors to get any benefit from it. Pressuring survivors means he´s not camping. The tradeoff basically killed the perk.
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Going for 12 hooks with Ruin/Undying was literally my Ghostface playstyle before they ruined Undying and my totem started blowing in a single minute.
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Imagine thinking that Undying got nerfed, not for any balance reasons whatsoever, but rather because a group of people didn't like the perk. Sad thing is, this is the mentality that resides in the minds of many players.
It's also funny that you think Camping comes as a "result" from gen-rushing. When there is enough evidence and even some killer mains themselves have encouraged survivors to "DO GENS" whenever the killer is having a 'let me camp you cuz I feel like it' kinda day. Yeah, those apparently never happen. 🙄
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No It didn't. You can still get the same effect. You just don't get to force Ruin to be broken up to 4 times. Add to that Devour needing to be broken twice and they definitely got a fair trade off.
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Nah, not a good deal. Undying is now worse than Haunted Grounds. Do you see a lot of killers running Devour with Haunted Grounds?
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Both sides need to agree to either play optimally or play for fun. Saying one side can and the other can't is silly, I agree.
If the survivors are going to focus/rush gens asap then the killer is going to focus killing someone asap and vice versa.
I do think the community at large needs to realize this. Since its the the topic of discussion, if the survivors really have such a problem with these tactics (which overall it seems they do) then yes, they need to stop doing the gens so quickly so the killers have time to play the "fun" way.
I don't see anyone saying "this gen is at 33% we need to stop guys and go work on another one before we finish this one." That's what you're asking the other side to do you should do the same.
If a killer does 1 chase and 2-3 gens are finished then yeah, get ready for focused play on the other side as well aka tunneling ect. If survivors do 1 gen and someone is dead then same thing.
Of course the game is a little more complicated but that's the rough idea.
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Alright, we need to just agree to disagree here. We're obviously not going to get anywhere.
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I play on the ps4 so I could be that it is platform specific who knows.
But to answer your question, I play every single killer there is.
But my favourite is and always will be wraith.
My perks are pop, sloppy, nurses and bbq.
I always have a gen defence perk on every killer, if I don't then it is gg.
I know I have good pressure on gens cause I don't focus on 1 survivor.
For example with wraith I try to injure them and then catch them off guard with nurses.
Even during chases I can easily break of when I see another survivor and injure them.
But like I said, as of a few weeks the gens are going really fast.
Sure it's not every single game 3-4 minutes, but if I don't play lame sometimes (only slugging) the game can be over in about 7 minutes.
I am someone who doesn't like to slug, sure if I down 1 who just came of the hook I let him there so they can pick him up.
But other than that I rather go for a new survivor than for 1 that has been hooked, or just down and picking up, but that is unfortunately in the past
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You didn´t answer my question...
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Because there's no point. If I said yes, you wouldn't believe it. If I said no, you would think it makes your point.
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A honest answer would have been enough. Anyway, Undying is officially dead and you´ll see less and less killers using it.
Mark my words.
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I main killer.
The Undying nerf was reasonable.
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Unified anything my still-shapely arse. Doubt there'd be agreement on the color of an orange...
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Even with a perk combo promoting “healthy gameplay” killers still played scummy as hell. Even if it was just “do totems lazy survivors it’s just that easy” the killer just puppy guarded their totems every time an aura appeared even when chasing someone on the opposite side of the map. What I think this resulted in is a bunch of boosted killers who now are complaining about gen speed cause they can’t use up to 4 ruins. Pity this can’t happen with survivor perks, hopefully ds fixes that.
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You are speaking as a weak tunnel camper killer.
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So killers stopped tunneling and instantly broke a chase to protect one of their perks and that is scummy.
MMmmhhhkay
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Undying + Haunted Grounds. Solved your dilemma
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Everyone on this forum just blames the other side.
Survivors hate tunneling and camping and rightly so, it’s a ######### part of the game.
Killers hate getting gen rushed, again it’s ######### to go against.
But none of these will stop as they’re both used to counter each other.
The only way both sides will be happy is if the game is changed to negate both of these which doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
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That’s not what I am indicating is scummy and I didn’t think I would have to explain what playing scummy means for either killer or survivor but figures on these forums.
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Undying + ruin was healthy play? lmao
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Have you ever tried going full hex build? Its amazing. Especially against SWF. See 4 totems lit up at the same time and enjoy losing all perks within seconds.
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I base my comments on what you write. You wrote, that killers played scummy by puppy guarding their perks and breaking chases.
Not my problem you write something else than what you actually mean.
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Darn, he found flaws in my flawless system.
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That's the perks of being an ex survivor main, you see. I never got my invitation to all official meetings revoked (and legally I now never can) but I can be difficult just for the heck of it.
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As someone already mentioned you had to pressure survivors as well; resting on your laurels was never gonna work unless against potatoes. OK transfered so many times was maybe ott but ruin is near dead. All I'm saying is take away tools and killers will resort to camping and/or tunnelling. Then in a few months we'll see even more posts about camping and tunnelling on the forum. I stand by what I said if in the hands of a competent killer ruin undying was good for the game
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