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5 Killer Perks Need Some Love
MONSTROUS HOOKS:
(Was formally named "Monstrous Shrine")You take great care of your hooks which in turn, the Entity adores your lust for sacrificing! When further than 48/40/32 meters from the hooked survivor, gain a additional 5/10/15% faster Entity progression and the odds of unhooking yourself is reduced by 25%.
Reasoning: In Spoiler
Why is this a better option? First the perk effects every hook assuming you are meeting the activation requirements. Additionally the perk adds more pressure to the entire survivor team since you have to safe the survivor even faster. Overall I think this perk is better off this way without being too much.
Common Compliants:
"24 seconds is way too much!"
Remember that the killer needs to walk away to activate the perk which takes time and a survivor can be there ready for the save. Additionally, it doesn't encourage camping which is a big plus for every survivor alike.
SPIES FROM THE SHADOWS:
Crows in the trial arouse in interest for aiding your hunt. Crows in the trial will look in the direction of a survivor 25/50/75% of the time and give you a visual cue when disturbed 25/50/75% of the time within a unlimited range.Reasoning: In Spoiler
Common Complaints
"This perk is OP since a killer can just look at a crow and find you!"
This can backfire and it just tells the killer the general area on where you are at. By the time that the killer reaches your general area, you could be in a different area, use your God given brain and you will be fine!
BEAST OF PREY:
Your lust for a kill is so intense that you momentarily lose connection with the Entity. Every time you injure a survivor, receive a token up to a maximum of 2/3/4 tokens. Every token will increase your lunge distance and lunge speed by 5%. You'll lose a token when a survivor is healed to the healthy state.Reasoning: In Spoiler
Common Complaint:
"This perk is OP if everyone isn't healthy!"
Yeah that's the point and that's on you for not healing yourself. It's extremely difficult to see every survivor not being healthy since SC is meta and I think the killer deserves to get rewarded for not tunneling!
OVERWHELMING PRESENCE:
Your presence alone strikes fear! Survivors within your terror radius will recover from negative status effects 15/25/35% slower than normal and your terror radius is increased by 8 meters!Reasoning: In Spoiler
Common Complaints:
"Terror radius is OP with Distressing!"
"It's almost impossible to recover from a status effect!"
You just gotta be more careful when you do actions that can give you a negative status effect such as Make Your Choice and certain killer add-ons to avoid those types if situations. Remember, if all else fails, stealth it out and move away from the killer.
DISTRESSING:
You know how to stress your prey to a point where logic doesn't make sense! Your terror radius is increased by 4/6/8 meters and gain a 50% stackable bloodpoint bonus. Bonus bloodpoints are awarded post trial.Reasoning: In Spoiler
Common Complaints:
"Another farming perk?"
This doesn't effect balance so it doesn't matter in my opinion, please elaborate on why this is a problem?
Comments
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Monstrous Shrine should just deactivate ALL survivors perks for as long as they are in the basement.
SFTS should just get it's prenerf mechanics back. Crows just check for the alert if someone is close to them, no need for them to get disturbed (fly off).
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For Monstrous Shrine, I don't like the idea of taking away the survivor's perks because it doesn't feel right and fun for them. As a person who plays both sides equally, I wanna make both sides more fun and enjoyable to play. That's why I changed BoP and Monstrous Shrine to be more fun based for both sides, meaning the killer gets rewarded for not camping and tunneling. Besides, I think there should be more mechanics in general that awards the killer to not camping and tunneling however it sucks that you get a lot of momentum from doing it. Don't get me wrong, there are times where you need to camp and it's a strategy but there should be things that awards the killer for not doing these things.Wolf74 said:Monstrous Shrine should just deactivate ALL survivors perks for as long as they are in the basement.
SFTS should just get it's prenerf mechanics back. Crows just check for the alert if someone is close to them, no need for them to get disturbed (fly off).
I have mixed feelings about that since Calm Spirit will now be useless.0 -
I feel that MS should be a 24 meters.... 32 is a bit much to get something that will only apply little bit more pressure....distressing atm gives 75% more bp in deviousness (correct me if I'm wrong) everything else sounds outstanding 0
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Monstrous Hooks: sounds very powerful with a build I run involving MYC and Mint Rag. Though I highly doubt it would be too powerful. On other killers and builds it should be a fairly balenced perk that combines well with BBQ maybe?
Spies from the shadows: Now this perk sounds interesting.. potentially very powerful if the killer knows how to use it and very weak if they don't. They need to pay attention to the crows without getting too distracted. Good change this is.
Beast of Prey: Hmm.. I don't know about this one personally. I like the idea of the current one for getting rid of the red stain. If it's buffed to a good point then it can be very good but this one? I don't know how much extra lunge distance is worth in a chase.
Overwhelming Presence: I'm having trouble thinking of how strong or weak this is. It has synergy with MYC and Haunted Grounds and a few add ons. Also hinders the broken effect from Deliverance even further. The increased terror radius is nice though and makes builds that need a larger terror radius even stronger then before.
Distressing: A flat number increase instead of a percentage is always better I think. I believe the current one increases it by around that anyway for a standard 32 metre terror radius. As for the points I assume this just means you get 50% more points after a match like half of what BBQ chilli does? If so then that's nice to have. This seems to be a nice QoL change.
Overall I'd say these perks are all balanced and stronger then their current in game versions (Though how much is that really saying) the only one I'm unsure about is Beast of Prey. I'd have to test it out to be sure about it.0 -
@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:Monstrous Shrine should just deactivate ALL survivors perks for as long as they are in the basement.
SFTS should just get it's prenerf mechanics back. Crows just check for the alert if someone is close to them, no need for them to get disturbed (fly off).
For Monstrous Shrine, I don't like the idea of taking away the survivor's perks because it doesn't feel right and fun for them. As a person who plays both sides equally, I wanna make both sides more fun and enjoyable to play. That's why I changed BoP and Monstrous Shrine to be more fun based for both sides, meaning the killer gets rewarded for not camping and tunneling. Besides, I think there should be more mechanics in general that awards the killer to not camping and tunneling however it sucks that you get a lot of momentum from doing it. Don't get me wrong, there are times where you need to camp and it's a strategy but there should be things that awards the killer for not doing these things.
I have mixed feelings about that since Calm Spirit will now be useless.
Sorry, but... every time someone brings up the "but both sides should" routine, it goes against the killer.
"Both should have fun" usually ends up with, killer should not camp, killer should not tunnel, etc.
When have you ever seen someone bringing up the "both should have fun" argument with a survivor perk?
Perks are there to give the one choosing that perk an advantage.
Only killer perks have mechanics build in that benefits the survivor.0 -
With spies from the shadows buffed like this it would buff the pebble because it would give more alerts. For example if everyone is healthy and you see an alert in the corner of the map or just near some boxes you know it's diversion because nothing could have made that sound. But with spies it could have been crows. I think the pebble has potential but not that strong at the momentBlood_Coil_Viper said:Monstrous Hooks: sounds very powerful with a build I run involving MYC and Mint Rag. Though I highly doubt it would be too powerful. On other killers and builds it should be a fairly balenced perk that combines well with BBQ maybe?
Spies from the shadows: Now this perk sounds interesting.. potentially very powerful if the killer knows how to use it and very weak if they don't. They need to pay attention to the crows without getting too distracted. Good change this is.
Beast of Prey: Hmm.. I don't know about this one personally. I like the idea of the current one for getting rid of the red stain. If it's buffed to a good point then it can be very good but this one? I don't know how much extra lunge distance is worth in a chase.
Overwhelming Presence: I'm having trouble thinking of how strong or weak this is. It has synergy with MYC and Haunted Grounds and a few add ons. Also hinders the broken effect from Deliverance even further. The increased terror radius is nice though and makes builds that need a larger terror radius even stronger then before.
Distressing: A flat number increase instead of a percentage is always better I think. I believe the current one increases it by around that anyway for a standard 32 metre terror radius. As for the points I assume this just means you get 50% more points after a match like half of what BBQ chilli does? If so then that's nice to have. This seems to be a nice QoL change.
Overall I'd say these perks are all balanced and stronger then their current in game versions (Though how much is that really saying) the only one I'm unsure about is Beast of Prey. I'd have to test it out to be sure about it.0 -
That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc.Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:Monstrous Shrine should just deactivate ALL survivors perks for as long as they are in the basement.
SFTS should just get it's prenerf mechanics back. Crows just check for the alert if someone is close to them, no need for them to get disturbed (fly off).
For Monstrous Shrine, I don't like the idea of taking away the survivor's perks because it doesn't feel right and fun for them. As a person who plays both sides equally, I wanna make both sides more fun and enjoyable to play. That's why I changed BoP and Monstrous Shrine to be more fun based for both sides, meaning the killer gets rewarded for not camping and tunneling. Besides, I think there should be more mechanics in general that awards the killer to not camping and tunneling however it sucks that you get a lot of momentum from doing it. Don't get me wrong, there are times where you need to camp and it's a strategy but there should be things that awards the killer for not doing these things.
I have mixed feelings about that since Calm Spirit will now be useless.
Sorry, but... every time someone brings up the "but both sides should" routine, it goes against the killer.
"Both should have fun" usually ends up with, killer should not camp, killer should not tunnel, etc.
When have you ever seen someone bringing up the "both should have fun" argument with a survivor perk?
Perks are there to give the one choosing that perk an advantage.
Only killer perks have mechanics build in that benefits the survivor.0 -
@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc.
Sorry, but now you are losing credibility.
OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer.
SELF CARE? benefits the killer?
Wow... that meme is old.
If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here.
Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer".0 -
Then we have a problem then lol!Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc.
Sorry, but now you are losing credibility.
OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer.
SELF CARE? benefits the killer?
Wow... that meme is old.
If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here.
Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer".
SC actual benefits the killer, the perk is used 100% of all survivor matches! Meaning that NC can destroy pesky survivors trying to heal, now with the incoming SC nerf... Survivors will take 32 seconds toto heal which gives you 32 seconds to find survivors with NC.0 -
@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:
That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc.
Sorry, but now you are losing credibility.
OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer.
SELF CARE? benefits the killer?
Wow... that meme is old.
If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here.
Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer".
Then we have a problem then lol!
SC actual benefits the killer, the perk is used 100% of all survivor matches! Meaning that NC can destroy pesky survivors trying to heal, now with the incoming SC nerf... Survivors will take 32 seconds toto heal which gives you 32 seconds to find survivors with NC.Sorry, at this point debating with you is useless.
Self Care is the most powerful perk in the game.
Nothing is hurting the balance of the game more than unlimited self sufficiency.
Self Care is the main component of gen rush.
Single hits are completely meaningless and the upcoming healing nerf is really minor.
Anybody who is saying "Self Care benefits the killer" is naiv, clueless, unable to calculate or hides his bias.0 -
Wow, okay if you don't wanna talk everything through then cya!Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:
That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc.
Sorry, but now you are losing credibility.
OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer.
SELF CARE? benefits the killer?
Wow... that meme is old.
If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here.
Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer".
Then we have a problem then lol!
SC actual benefits the killer, the perk is used 100% of all survivor matches! Meaning that NC can destroy pesky survivors trying to heal, now with the incoming SC nerf... Survivors will take 32 seconds toto heal which gives you 32 seconds to find survivors with NC.Sorry, at this point debating with you is useless.
Self Care is the most powerful perk in the game.
Nothing is hurting the balance of the game more than unlimited self sufficiency.
Self Care is the main component of gen rush.
Single hits are completely meaningless and the upcoming healing nerf is really minor.
Anybody who is saying "Self Care benefits the killer" is naiv, clueless, unable to calculate or hides his bias. 0 -
@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:
@Nickenzie said: Wolf74 said: That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc. Sorry, but now you are losing credibility. OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer. SELF CARE? benefits the killer? Wow... that meme is old. If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here. Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer". Then we have a problem then lol! :)
SC actual benefits the killer, the perk is used 100% of all survivor matches! Meaning that NC can destroy pesky survivors trying to heal, now with the incoming SC nerf... Survivors will take 32 seconds toto heal which gives you 32 seconds to find survivors with NC.
Sorry, at this point debating with you is useless.
Self Care is the most powerful perk in the game.
Nothing is hurting the balance of the game more than unlimited self sufficiency.
Self Care is the main component of gen rush.
Single hits are completely meaningless and the upcoming healing nerf is really minor.
Anybody who is saying "Self Care benefits the killer" is naiv, clueless, unable to calculate or hides his bias.
Wow, okay if you don't wanna talk everything through then cya!
We can talk things thru, but this is like talking to a flat earther.
You core assumptions are wrong, so what should I tell you?
If you tell me 2+2=5 we do not need to argue about mathematics.0 -
What things are wrong with my assumptions? Remember, I can't improve without criticism.Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:
@Nickenzie said: Wolf74 said: That is how it should be tho. Dead by Daylight should be fun for both sides, not just the killer or the survivor. There's also survivor perks that benefit the killer such as Object of Obsession, Leader (You can find multiple survivors), Prove Thyself (You can find multiple survivors), Self Care (Takes the survivor longer to heal which prevents generator repairs), Deliverance (Can down the survivor again and fast forward them to the second phase), Stake Out (Survivor can waste time getting tokens instead of doing generators), Solo Survivor (Survivors are more likely to die on the hook), and etc. Sorry, but now you are losing credibility. OoO is a troll perk, only used to bully killer. SELF CARE? benefits the killer? Wow... that meme is old. If you still believe that SC is benefiting the killer, we have some serious issues here. Even the rest of your mentioned perks doesn't make sense to "benefit the killer". Then we have a problem then lol! :)
SC actual benefits the killer, the perk is used 100% of all survivor matches! Meaning that NC can destroy pesky survivors trying to heal, now with the incoming SC nerf... Survivors will take 32 seconds toto heal which gives you 32 seconds to find survivors with NC.
Sorry, at this point debating with you is useless.
Self Care is the most powerful perk in the game.
Nothing is hurting the balance of the game more than unlimited self sufficiency.
Self Care is the main component of gen rush.
Single hits are completely meaningless and the upcoming healing nerf is really minor.
Anybody who is saying "Self Care benefits the killer" is naiv, clueless, unable to calculate or hides his bias.
Wow, okay if you don't wanna talk everything through then cya!
We can talk things thru, but this is like talking to a flat earther.
You core assumptions are wrong, so what should I tell you?
If you tell me 2+2=5 we do not need to argue about mathematics.0
