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Kindred: Limit the range of revealing the killer's aura to 16m
There was a lot of feedback during PTB.
Developers shouldn't have missed them.
You know what the problem is, right?
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Why should it be limited when open handed was just buffed. It's fine as it is now.
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I believe it's a joke.
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Tbh it's just a super powerful perk if you proxy camp the Kindred user, else yon don't care about this.
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Stop camping
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Revealing the killer's aura at a range of 64 meters around the hook is excessive.
It gives survivors a super easy game.
And it hurt not only "camper" but also non-camping killer.
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It doesn't stack with itself. The potential caps at 32 - so a standard terror radius.
It definitely hurts proxy campers, but makes no difference if the killer goes to a different part of the map, and the information gets turned off when the person is unhooked, so it usually only hurts you for as long as you actively guard the unhook.
This was possible with old Open Handed, too - you just needed two people to bring the perk instead of one. All four people bringing it could get it up to 48 meters.
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It doesn't stack with itself. The potential caps at 32
32m is the radius.
When Open Handed and Kindred are combined, the range to reveal the killer's aura is a 64 meter diameter sphere.
it usually only hurts you for as long as you actively guard the unhook.
No, it's not limited to that. That's why I said "excessive".
Also, sacrificing/killing the survivor is important for the killer to win the match.
This is because in 1vs4 situation, the Survivor side has the advantage.
Therefore, it is the right play to guard the unhook to progress the sacrifice phase when necessary.
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This requires two perk slots and it doesn't do anything to prevent you from camping the hook if you want to. It's just an aura. Survivors can and will continue to slam gens with and without Kindred + Open Handed if you camp.
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That is so irrelevant. It has 32 meter range. Why overcomplicate it to make it sound worse then it actually is.
No, you don't have to camp to win. Just pressure the hook. Most killers don't camp.
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Okay so, you're a bit lost my good sir. Or totally ignorant, or a bit lost. I prefer to think you're a bit lost.
Kindred shows the killer's aura up to 16m.
Open handed increases aura reading range by 16m. DOES NOT STACK (it can be two survivors or more with Open Handed, it would only increase by 16m only once).
So, two perks just for showing the killer (if he's not a stealth killer or with undetectable) up to 32m from the hooked surv, and it is showing your aura to everyone if you're under that radius AND the hooked surv is the Kindred user.
32m is, as @Laluzi said, just the standard terror radius. It's quite huge, but it isn't map wide. Sure it provides a lot of information, but it's not game breaking. Leave the hook, do your killer's job : kill the surv that are doing gen.
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This requires two perk slots
There are 4 Survivors and 16 perk slots.
1 Open Handed, 3 Kindred. Each of the four survivors has three free slots.
Solo? If that's the case, it's a failure of the developers who decided on a design where SWF are buffed and solo waste slots.
it doesn't do anything to prevent you from camping the hook if you want to. It's just an aura.
It also reveals the aura of a non-camping killer.
The chase is super easy as the survivor can see the killer behind the wall on the jungle gym away from the hook.
You say "just an aura", but being able to see what other players are doing where is a very powerful effect in this game.
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I'll write again.
It is the right play to guard the unhook to progress the sacrifice phase when necessary.
If there are only survivors who don't do well in the game, then you may be right.
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Camper alert
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16m+16m, 32m range from the hook.
That's a spherical range of 64m diameter centered on the hook, right?
it is showing your aura to everyone if you're under that radius AND the hooked surv is the Kindred user.
To add to this, even if the hooked survivor is not a Kindred user, another survivor who has Kindred can see the killer's aura.
it isn't map wide
The minimum size of the elements called "tiles" that make up a map is 16mx16m.
Can you imagine how many pallets, windows, loops, and jungle gyms a 64m diameter sphere would contain?
That's a wide range.
Leave the hook, do your killer's job : kill the surv that are doing gen.
Again.
It is the right play to guard the unhook to progress the sacrifice phase when necessary.
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Oh yes, you're talking about diameter, my apologies.
But you're not playing aaall around the hooked surv ! Generally survivors are running in a straight line to the opposite direction of the hook ! So we're actually talking about a radius, not diameter, as you're not chasing around the hook :)
And yeah, you're true about protecting your hook sometimes, and that is another thing, and I think it's good to have an actual counter to that situation. And even it is (or would be ?) a counter to this situation, you're not that far from the hook, you're under 16 meters from the hook, you won't really chase, you're protecting : taking a hit if you can, but you're more actively trying to keep surv far from the hook, and in that situation you have at 3 survivors occupied just to unhook : the hooked, and the two surv that you're keeping away from. Or it is the end game post gen, and yeah, this perk is a counter, and, my bad, a situation has to be countered in some ways, or it is the early/mid game and it's a situation working for you.
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So does Infectious freight have a 64 meter range too? Or is it just survivor perks?
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Infectious Freight is not aura reading perk.
The Killer only gets the current location of the survivors in the Terror Radius.
Survivors who shout can run or hide in a safe position.
If Killer was able to use Infectious Freight to dying state multiple Survivors in a short time, it is due to their skills.
Even if it wasn't the Terror Radius but a smaller area than 32 meters, I would still listen to Heartbeat and try to stay away from that place as I do now.
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..........................So just survivor perks then... Right got it...
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The effect is substantially weaker than all survivor meta perk combinations. It's not a bad effect when it works, but it's extremely situational. if the killer is camping, the survivor can already flap their arms to indicate the killer is nearby. Every once in a while you'll be chasing around a hook or something and you won't be able to mindgame a survivor. You're still applying pressure to a survivor directly while also pressuring any other survivors who come for the save. In other words, if you're chasing that close to the hook, it's a good situation for you regardless of whether or not you can mindgame. Survivors are giving up multiple perks to make that situation less good, when they can already largely avoid that situation in the first place by not getting greedy when going for saves.
Old Kindred + Open Handed could have a much stronger effect, as others have called out, and still almost no one ran it. The utility just doesn't justify the perk slots.
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It reads as if you are explaining that 16 meters is sufficient.
almost no one ran it
It means that many people underestimate the aura reading abilities in this game.
Even the developers.
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Disuse doesn't prove a perk isn't good, but it sure is a good sign, especially when 1200 hours of experience tells me it's not very good. Bond + Open Handed is much better than Kindred + Open Handed imo. Kindred by itself is almost as good as Kindred + Open Handed; the main benefit is helping a team coordinate going for the save, not showing the killer's aura near the hook.
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Honestly, both combinations are strong.
It is very powerful to be able to get accurate information quickly and have survivors work together.
As a killer, I am terrified when I play against a solo team that can act like an army using Bond or Kindred. And most of the time, I don't get satisfactory results.
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Why exaggerate by using the diameter when everything in the game goes by radius?
It's a 32 meter radius, for TWO perks. That's fine.
Besides, killers can do very similar things. In fact lately I've been maining Doctor with Distressing and Calm add-ons, and I don't know how big that makes his TR, but it's considerably larger than 40 meters... that's an 80+ meter diameter to you.
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In fact, those ranges function in a spherical shape.
I find it easier to understand how ridiculously sized areas are deployed if I think in terms of the diameter of the sphere rather than the linear distance to the center point.
It seems to me that the development team underestimates aura reading abilities, so they tend to make those add-ons without thinking it through.
If necessary, devs should review them as well.
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Right...
1. Good for you I guess? You could try measuring it in yards instead of meters too, makes the numbers even bigger! Fact is it's a radius measured from the center. That's the most useful way to think of it. If you need to be within/outside a certain distance from something, you only need to know the distance between you and that 'something', the distance on the opposite side is inconsequential.
2. There's nothing wrong with the distances as they are. Not even if you want to measure it in *centimetres*.
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It's pretty dishonest to say that Kindred needs to cap at 16m RADIUS while using the DIAMETER with Open Handed as your justification.
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So, what's the point of that story you're so adamant about?
Am I exaggerating, or are you trivializing? So?
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???
What?
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That's true.
I should have been more consistent in my expression. I'm sorry.
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