Pride month charm is worring me...
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I mean unfortunately this happens to some degree in every single game. There's a difference between people saying it and actually doing it though, and as many other comments have said, offenders will likely be banned and not tolerated.
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Too bad not everyone wearing it is going to be doing so honestly, some people on Twitter, when the charms were leaked, were saying how they were going to be trying to make "homophobes" mad by wearing the charm.
I sense they're the type to actively try to be toxic and obnoxious and then say it's because they are LGBT... which is probably exactly the type of person "I'm gonna tunnel this charm" people have in mind.
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Don't think they'll be banned for tunneling unless they blatantly say it of course.
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No I thought it was funny because it matched my sense of humour ❤️,
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Which is justification to not represent lgbt+ characters in what way?
But good news, bhvr have already confirmed they're going to represent someone, if not many people, as lgbt+ and they're planning to do it right so you don't have to worry your little head about it 🥰
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It's not my fault you don't know me and don't know that I never say serious things with very few exceptions
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Don't call me Karu. I have a full name for a reason, use it.
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Double post for some reason love that
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No, it was edited out. The only way to access the link would be on a pc, find the link in a different comment's quote feature, and open it there. Not sure why you'd go to such lengths and then talk about it when it's already been edited out and someone's already said something to me but to each their own.
And humour is subjective. What is funny to me is not necessarily funny to other people.
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Just to clarify some people's concerns that i read here: you won't be banned for tunneling.
But if you tunnel someone because of the charm, then boast about it in end game chat, then that's reportable for hate speech. And generally, hateful people tend to do so, especially if things didn't go as they planned
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As a lesbian...
supporter. I plan on using this charm regardless. Seriously though not a lesbian just remembered the reference and wanted to use it.
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Thats a pretty subjective way to see this.
you can of course call every inclusion ‚token‘ as there is not a real definition there. For example.. is Zarina the token Middle Eastern character in DbD just because she is the first and at the moment only one? I wouldn’t say so but you can of course twist it to help your narrative.
Actually this is why inclusion is important, so that people don’t think it’s just a token character. But just a character that happens to be LGBT+.
(for the bad writing, I would argue that wouldn’t be the first bad writing in DbD and is especially no reason for explicit exclusion)
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I mean, people do literally target others for having pride things in their profile, it's the only way this killer would have known the friend I was playing with was gay, the person was banned btw I have the clip of it saved bc of course they're a streamer, but I think it's worth bringing this up because there are genuinely people that don't think others are targetted for such things.
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Well, unfortunately, this is what happens when you include real life political statements in a video game.
Just ignore them and move on. If you get tunneled for it, move on. If they abuse chat, report it and move on.
Of course, when I say abuse, i mean it literally. Unnecessary derogatory speech. You cant just report someone for disagreeing with you.
It happens.
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It's honestly disgusting, the state of the community 😄
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Someones sexuality isn't a political statement good lord.
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You cant deny that gay pride has become heavily political. It may not have started that way, but it is now.
Someones individual sexuality is a different story of course.
Besides, we'd see how political it really is if a straight pride charm were added, just saying.
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Lgbt+ people existing is not politics.
If you think that people dating who they want because they're born that way is political, or being the gender they feel most comfortable with, you're part of the problem.
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I refer you to my response to ZenzuDuck
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Because 'straight pride' didn't exist until gay pride did and is just an attack on everything people have done to normalize gay people because they're still being attacked and murdered purely for being in love with someone, that's why it's in politics because there aren't enough protections for these people as they're seen as 'different' and need additional things to stop someone using sexuality etc as a reason to fire someone, or attack someone.
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Are you saying that being proud of being heterosexual is a farce and that only gay people are allowed to celebrate the way that they love?
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Sure that's exactly what I'm saying? lol
Be proud of who you are, pride was meant as a statement for gay people to stand together and fight opressors, the 'straight pride' is a group of opressors trying to suppres others, so you can pick which ever side you want darling
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Allow me to respond to your final comment there.
A straight pride charm? For what, representation?
Felix, David, Nurse, Frank and Julie; all of these characters have heterosexual relationships confirmed in their lore. Yes it's possible they're bisexual or pansexual but the only confirmed relationships are straight ones. In the entire lore of the game.
The lgbt+ charm is moreso bhvr acknowledging that lgbt+ people exist and should be proud of who they are because, excluding one or two statements we have been ignored largely. There hasn't been a single lgbt+ character in 5 years of this game, and if you don't think that's much time then let me point you to Apex Legends.
Furthermore about straight pride, look around you at the world. Look at the media you consume- how much of it includes heterosexual representation? Because it's a hell of a lot, let me tell you.
You ask for a straight pride charm, while we're still asking to not be illegal in 79 countries. You ask for a straight pride charm while trans people are being murdered for being trans. You ask for a straight pride charm, we ask to be normalised.
Straight people, in the nicest possible way, do not and will not ever know the struggles of lgbt+ people.
You do not need a straight pride charm or event to make yourself feel normalised or represented.
Do not speak over the voices of lgbt+ people on their issues if you are not lgbt+. Do not speak against their inclusion in media because "it's political".
We deserve as much representation as anybody else. We deserve to be normalised.
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You said it was political can you give an example?
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You have a very black and white view of things. No one is physically stopping you from being with someone you love, so there is no Oppression, at least in America.
Straight pride also does not have the ability to supress gay pride either.
I hope you can learn to see past sexuality and look at the bigger picture. Id hate to think Im a victim 24/7
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Lmao. Calm down dude. Im not attacking you.
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Wow im glad you read my response in full and came back with such a well designed argument.
Just admit you're pressed that gay people exist and move on 🙄🤚
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Things seem to be getting a bit out of hand I appreciate the passion but let's remember to keep it civil.
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I'm keeping it completely civil.
And by civil I mean incredibly passive aggressive but let's just pretend it's civil
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What a very sensible and calm question, thank you.
I don't believe sexuality is political, but gay pride very much is. Its a movement designed to normalize and spread acceptance for people of all sexualities. Most people rally behind it for legal changes for things like marriage and adoption. Those legal tie-ins are what make it political, or at least semi political.
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What the flip is happening here, I didn't thought this will explode so hard
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What makes you think Im pressed at gay people?
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I agree.
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If the emojis weren't a good enough tone indicator that last part was what we in the industry call "a joke"
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You need to work on your delivery then. I didn't sense the humor at all.
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You unironically think straight pride is a good thing so I wasn't expecting you to.
It's pretty clear to people who know me though.
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You don't think people should be proud of who they are? That's kind of a hateful stance.
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I think I half agree with what your saying and it being more semi political. The only time gay pride is political is when it pertain to the government and its laws (since that is the definition of political). But other then that I would say it's mostly not political.
In fact not alot of things are political. Nothing is inherently political. It's political mainly because we claim its political ie a social construct.
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You raise a very valid point, and I agree after giving it a read. I may have been to hasty to label it as completely political as a whole, but you can at least kinda see where I'm coming from with my original point.
Honestly, the only way it will become normalized is if people just go back to living their lives and loving who they love without feeling the need to shout about it from the rooftops.
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I think the thing with straight pride is that it may seem pointless I guess. When we think of pride its often because in the past being that thing was considered bad by society and people felt shamed. Straight People in the past haven't really been told being straight is bad so there is not really a reason to feel pride for it. (This is what I'm assuming the reason is I don't necessarily hold this belief)
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Sadly this is always the case when anything LGBTQ+ related is mentioned… it just shows that there are still many people that do have a problem with equal treatment.
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I don't think they need a movement dedicated to countering gay pride when they have a [BAD WORD] ton of media and 11 months of the year to do so, no.
Be proud of who you are. Don't use it as an excuse to silence lgbt+ people. Which is what the straight pride movement is all about.
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You were the one stating gay pride is a political thing. But you are ignoring what straight pride actually is and how it is different to gay pride?
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I see where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. Homosexuality has been not only represented in history, but often times accepted. We know that it was a common practice in the Roman army, for example, and Greek society.
Its possible to celebrate yourself and those around you without being unnecessarily hostile about it though.
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Not at all. I believe they're both poilitical and valid at the same time. This sub discussion started when I stated they were political. I'm also insinuating that to accept one and not the other is hypocritical.
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You were the one bringing up the political statement which is kind of hostile. People that are LGBTQ+ don’t like it if their existence is called a political statement. It diminishes who and what they are. Inclusion and normalization shouldn’t be viewed as a political statement but just something normal.
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Nobody's silencing anyone. And the last time I checked, the other eleven months werent celebrated as straight pride month. If straight pride really is a suppression tool, I'd say its not doing a very good job, wouldn't you?
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There was never any hostility intended, my opinion has been swayed already by a less aggressive person. I no longer stand by my statement that its completely political.
As for me, I can honestly say that I have no strong feelings about anyone claiming my existence is political, but things don't get under my skin so easily. (With the exception of excessive teabagging, anyway.)
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"Nobody's silencing anyone" then you're not looking very hard.
"And the last time I checked, the other eleven months werent celebrated as straight pride month. If straight pride really is a suppression tool, I'd say its not doing a very good job, wouldn't you?"
So we're just going to ignore the lgbt+ that are spoken over across both social media and irl? We're going to ignore the anti-trans legislation being passed in a lot of countries, the exponentially high number of hate crimes vs lgbt+ people and the suicide rate too? We're going to ignore the majority of trans murder cases in New Zealand going unsolved because of a lack of interest in resolving them or the, again, 79 countries in which it's illegal to be lgbt+? We're going to ignore the hateful language, the slurs, the religion, the fact that conversion therapy isn't illegal in most first world countries, and much more?
Yeah, if you look at it with your eyes shut it must seem like there's no suppression going on.
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Yeah I know that people who say it’s political don’t always mean to be hostile but it can still easily be perceived as such. Just wanted to clear that up.
just because it doesn’t get under your skin doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother others. And especially for LGBTQ+ people that always kinda have to explain that their mere existence isn’t a political statement.
i don’t really care for excessive teabagging for example but i do get how it may bother others and I don’t try to say teabagging isn’t a problem just because it isn’t for me personally.
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