Visit the Kill Switch Master List for more information on these and other current known issues: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/299-kill-switch-master-list
We encourage you to be as honest as possible in letting us know how you feel about the game. The information and answers provided are anonymous, not shared with any third-party, and will not be used for purposes other than survey analysis.
Access the survey HERE!
The reason spirit needs a change...from a killer main
Comments
-
Spirit has counterplay, but it's not a healthy amount at all due to how much information she gets. In essence, her counterplay is VERY lackluster.
What do I mean? Here's what I'm talking about!
When Spirit phases, she gets more information than the survivor does [
Spirit: Scratch Marks, Audible Noises, and Blood Trail (add-on);Survivor: No Information]. Therefore, in most situations, the Spirit will make the better read than the survivor, resulting in a hit. The ONLY time the survivor will make a better read than the Spirit is dependent on pure 50/50 scenario, which is very hard to come across by itself, and by predicting her behavior. However, you're pretty much just getting lucky at that point AND experienced Spirits won't be predictable, so it's really just a pure coin toss. I wouldn't even call that counterplay, but if you want to call it counterplay, it's definitely not healthy counterplay.I believe that's why people say she has no counterplay because survivors barely have anything against a Spirit. So little that they minus well say she has no counterplay.
0 -
How about giving a better way for Spirit to track Survivors if Survivor can see or hear her instead? You are proposing that Survivors get more tracking tools on Spirit, when the only effective tool she has is grunts of pain which is shut down by IW, enforcing the Stridor meta.
You ARE biased because you propose "small" changes that make a Killer go down multiple tiers. And even then, that doesn't make you immune to proposing bad nerfs yourself.
0 -
Even if you give ONE thing that's counterplayable. it would kill her power 100%
You'd have to give her a Major. buff. to compensate what indicator you give survivors.
Like the footsteps for example. would hurt her and would kill her. would 100% move her down to low A tier,
The breathing? also Low A tier...
0 -
DBD's meta is anti-chase, map mobility is 2nd. Killers like Slinger prove this order of importance in Killer abilities is correct.
And Wraith is still a M1 Killer that can be pallet stunned, it's not a true anti-loop ability. He has speed but that's it. He also gets countered by healing.
0 -
To be fair, if you can hear her footsteps, you're good as dead at that point because she's right there and can hear your exact location. All she has to do is release M2 and hit you.
There's not many ideas to make her healthy without accidentally destroying her, this makes it difficult to balance Spirit.
The first thing that comes to mind is too remove her husk so that she can't perform the cheesy "Stand Still" mind games. She would actually need to use her power to hit you instead of doing nothing. Other than that, I don't know what else to do with her.
0 -
Yes. Volume increase by distance, but no L/R distinction.
I want her counterplay to be completely reliant on audio, because Spirit is also completely reliant on audio.
0 -
IW is shut down by Stridor, which makes IW survivors easier to catch.
I don't want her to have other ways to track. I like the way that Spirit is unique from tracking solely by audio, and the counterplay should also be audio based. So, how about survivors breathe louder when healthy?
I'm not being biased, I just don't play enough Spirit to make perfectly accurate suggestions on what she needs.
0 -
That's the issue here. You CAN'T balance her without making her weaker. This change is based around mitigating the downsides to adding counterplay.
0 -
The major problem with spirit personally i believe is stridor.It's just overkill.0 counter even with perks.
Other than that i think spirit is "fine".
I mean,who experienced enough does not like mindgames in chases?With any killer?
0 -
The issue is that if you don't have IW, or she has Stridor, it's not a mindgame, as she has way more info than you.
0 -
But she tracks by sound, since scratch marks aren't reliable. I suppose it would be fine as long as audio would still be her main method of tracking.
0 -
I did not actually expect you to literally contradict yourself, but sure.
"IW is shut down by Stri-" Let me go ahead and quote this:
"People always use IW as a "counter" when arguing about this. Perks are not counterplay." -CoalTower
So, with THAT being brought up for you, and equally applied to what you just said... okay, cool, and? If the Spirit doesn't have IW, the Survivor makes no vocal sounds. This is one of the few things I will agree with Scott Jund on is that IW makes a injured Survivor completely silent instead of simply silencing their grunts of pain, and that is annoying. Her power gets destroyed by this perk.
She also doesn't track solely by audio, that's what people complain about. It's just the best way of doing it.
I suppose breathing louder might be helpful, but that would require a code rework, potentially.
Then I have something to ask: Play Spirit for around... 10-15-20 games. Don't run Stridor... and tell me how annoying it can be to injure a experienced, healthy Survivor, especially when they don't give you things to go off of. You typically have to end your power instead of getting a cool phase hit instead.
0 -
spirit is not only dumb and extremely unfun to play against, she is also very easy to use and forgiving for the player using her, thats why she needs to get adressed, most of her addons nerfed or reworked especially the ones that incrase her movement speed, the ones that make her power last more and finally the ones that lower the activation power massively... then something should be done against Stridor spirits aswell, wouldnt be a terrible idea give her a bigger cooldown, now is 15 seconds, should be around 25 also make it so if she uses her power she waste all the bar, not a little if she decides to use short bursts. with all taht she would still be extremely unfun to play against but she wouldnt be able to roll survivors fast enough that the others dont have time to do gens and stand a chance if the spirit is good punishing HARD her mistakes.
0 -
I said it was shut down by Stridor. Note that I didn't say Stridor was a counter to IW. I firmly believe that perks are not counters, and I also think that IW should be nerfed. I've thought this even before Spirit came out.
She tracks solely by audio 95% of the time at least because scratch marks are unreliable, grass does not cover every inch of the map, and there aren't any other ways to track as her.
Code reworks are fine. A ton of other things ALSO need code reworks, even more so than this, but I'm not going into that for more than one reason.
I would actually do the challenge you suggested, but I can't play dbd at the moment. My PS4 broke, and I'm finally able to get it fixed, which I just found out, but it'll take a week. So I'll do it in a week, but it won't be accurate. I haven't faced a good survivor in months, and I doubt that'll change in a week. Anyways though, you're supposed to use your power in short bursts. That's the most effective way to play her.
0 -
That's way too much. She doesn't need massive nerfs at all. All she needs is counterplay.
0 -
Visual is easier, but not as cool as sound imo. Though, this is from my POV, and doesn't really matter much, because it's not about the buffs/nerfs at this point, but about how cool and unique she is.
0 -
Youre right.
Echolocation would be really nice too
0 -
why is nobody nerfing spirit already???
0 -
i dont think is too much at all, her power is SO forgiving thet in fact people purposely miss to cut distance or mindgame with the reappearece especially with reappear addons, thats dumb using a power to miss and still get profit...
and most killers have some big ass cooldowns to their powers especially the strong ones or big punish if u try to abuse it like Billy for example, nurse has a big cooldown between blinks unless addons (wich everyone use of course) she doesnt, she gets her power back way too fast and no punish for missing or using it, how is that fair?. short burts should be gone, stand mind game should be gone aswell, and her addons should get nerfed. my suggestions is nerfing stuff that makes her power excel but without touching the main issue because everyone would go nuts because another good killer gets nerfed at least with my suggestion she would still be spirit. but if she cant abuse her power spirit players now would need TO THINK before using her power effortlessly because they know they cant get it back so fast now, because they would need to wait another 25 seconds to use it again instead of 5...anyway especially with addons, would create some skill in the character, and then her addons are dumb you just have to agree with me on this...
i dont think the way to go is by adding such a counterplay that makes her easy or decently easy to avoid wich i dont think is the way to go, she had something on her PTB and i remember that was easy to avoid her... thats why spirit got many buffs in a row back in the day and of course they overdone with her...
i mean they can go both ways the ones that adds an easy counterplay to her, or massively nerfing addons and lower her power a bit by bigger cool down, no more short burts, no more stand, so now she would have more conuterplay because you know what is she doing, if she is phassing or not... or at least she would need a decent amount of extra time to get survivors so the others have time to do stuff, also spirit without speed addons, activation and duration isnt that terrible to go against becasue survivors have more time to get to stuff and try to make distance
0 -
While were nerfing killers lets add Oni to the list....
And pig too.
0 -
Does everything need counter play? There’s tons of stuff in DBD with no counter play
0 -
And they should go with adding counterplay, as it's easier and her strength isn't an issue.
Her power doesn't need to be super hard to use, as it's not even close to Nurse's level of power.
Not to mention the fact that survivor gameplay is easier than Spirit gameplay.
0 -
And all should have counterplay added to it.
Yes, everything needs counterplay. There's a reason old Legion was nerfed, even though they weren't that powerful.
0 -
Spirit is quite literally the only killer that needs counterplay. That's not a nerf.
0 -
No, I'm pretty sure the community would welcome another pig nerf on top of a spirit/nurse nerf.
0 -
Then what about survivor perks with no counterplay? What's the counterplay to Alert, don't break pallets?
What about Red Herring, just don't patrol generators?
0 -
Are you kidding me?
Alert and Red Herring do next to nothing. Red Herring allows you to know the general area a survivor is in without whispers.
Alert doesn't do much, and not every pallet should be broken anyways, as it's a waste of time.
0 -
No sensible member would, and the devs will never nerf her again.
0 -
Never say never 😈
0 -
I guess
0 -
I searched the internet far and wide to present you with this old meme, cheers lol
1 -
😂 😂
0
