Why is Wraith getting hate randomly?
I wake up to seeing numerous tweets, forum posts, etc. on Wraith all of a sudden, like why Wraith? This is a genuine question I have because I feel that Wraith is generally one of the weaker killers if played against correctly. Just want some insight into the situation for other players
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Wraith has been the de facto ladder killer since I joined to be honest. I feel like you are late to the party. It has been this way for a couple of months.
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I've only noticed a wave of it atm, like sure people can complain about any killer. "Myers OP because infinite T3 add-on, Pig OP because RNG, etc.". Could You tell me like the issues people have specifically with him (I'm entirely sure that I've missed a lot which is why I'm asking now).
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So what is the issue then? That could be said for many other killers, that if you bring some add-ons and know what you're doing, then of course the survivors can have a difficult time. Likewise for the map thing.
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Wraith is overrated tbh. However, he's a very relaxing killer to play as, although is quite an easy killer to loop. Hit and run Wraith is obviously boring to go against, but you can still beat one.
Anyone who hates Wraith would definitely hate going against the old Wraith if he was more common back then.
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Well now that Scott made a video we`ll see more of it. I hope this doesnt lead to a wraith nerf allthough i never play him cause i think he is overrated atm. A good killer but nowhere as busted as people claim him to be.
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I get tunneled by almost every single wraith I go against, I could care less if the entire world hated them.
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Hit and Run isn’t fun to play against and a lot of Wraiths just tunnel off hook and proxy camp :/
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Because less people are playing Spirit, for some reason, even though she's an unstoppable killing machine with 'no counter' who takes 'zero skill to get a 4K with'.
So Wraith is the next target.
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He's been Survivor's punching bag for so long that Survivors are used to bulling him every game and now they are complaining that they can't bully him anymore.
I full expect if the devs every made the clown a remotely good killer people will be complaining the same way for the same reason.
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The Wraith is absolutely fine to me. He basically wasn't that great in previous form, until they made an add-on base kit and reduced the distance where his shimmer becomes visible.
His add-ons are actually some of the more inspired of any of the killers, and I'd actually like to see similar creativity for other killers. As survivor, he's very challenging but also has weaknesses in terms of coming out of his shroud slower, being the only killer you can attack and hurt with torches (not just blind), and his breathing is pretty loud and directional. Plus, once you see his shimmer, run to a pallet and with his needing to come out of shroud you can really hurt him with a pallet if you get it before he materialises.
The Wraith is very viable and strong in the right hands, but I'd also say he has the most weaknesses of any killer. I'm quite content with how he is to face.
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Its not random. When freddy got nerfed, all the super toxic players who were just there for the ez kills jumped ship and went on to the next super easy strong killer. And thats wraith, hes not hard to play but he gets results pretty frequently. Its simple, if wraith ever gets nerfed they'll find a new killer to turn into the next toxic stereotype.
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Literally this 100%
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I completely agree with this
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i think its the whole hit and run playstyle thing that is getting the most hate, its kind of uninteresting, that being said its still perfectly beatable. that and the fact that like said above for years he was a punching bag, wraith daily was confirmed going to be a bad time, and survivors are having trouble adjusting to the new wraith thats actually a threat now.
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It's mostly his hit'n run strat. There is no Survivor/Killer interaction with that strategy and chasing is the most fun part about Survivor, that's why many people dislike him but they can't blame Wraith players for it, it's the best strat you can do with him because chasing can take to long.
I usually try and commit to chases until I see that the Survivor has gotten to a good setup, then I cloak and leave.
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If clown was good there would kinda be a reason to hate him. He is pretty forgiving and boring to counter
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People just dont like hit and run
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Clown is good? He always has been. And like always, he is addon reliant.
But with some good addons and a good build he is a very strong 1v1 killer. Ether bottles and bleach bottles are both very oppressive in chase
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Definitely and even without add ons the antidote can definitely be useful in catching up to survivors and around certain loops.
The reason people hate wraith atm is definitely his add ons. All seeing blood is just busted right now
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A lot of people have trouble against him. That's simply why. People don't really like what they have trouble against.
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On indoor maps sure. Outdoor maps I don’t think it’s too too huge a deal honestly since wraith finds people so easily as it is.
It’s kinda minor compared to the plethora of other broken stuff in the game. Like it’s an addon that helps but it’s not an addon that’s gonna straight up carry you (compound 33)
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His buffed movement speed is innate and immediately accessible, so it allows players of all skill levels to pressure gens and find survivors faster to initiate chases.
He has an audio queue when near (snarls - cannot be removed), a visual queue when near, and an audio queue when using his power (can be removed/manipulated but snarls still remain).
He also has counterplay in both windows and pallets, and doesn't really gain much time/distance trying to use his power in chase due to the time sinks of cloaking and uncloaking.
Cloak mind games are also not terribly strong due to pallets and windows, while also costing him additional time trying to bait/position the survivor when they do work.
His universal access and ease of use is a problem for some as they view him as low skill and hard to counter, although there are counters to his stealth such as Spine Chill and general situational awareness.
I really think that most people have no issue with Wraith, if we're being honest, and I doubt anything he has will be changed or addressed in the near future.
Overall, Wraith is great at getting to the survivors, but weak in chase. I'd imagine that most of the complaints regarding him come from players that don't like the disruptive nature of his play style (hit n run) coupled with his ease of use.
For everyone else, he's just another mid-upper mid-tier killer that, at the very least, provides interactive gameplay and decision making on both sides.
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The biggest complaint with wraith is his add-ons. They've changed him to not be windstorm addon reliant so players can stack super strong stuff that has minimal counter like silent bell and all seeing blood or double windstorm so he just appears hits and then disappears and body blocks preventing any actual chase.
Aside from add-ons if he didn't have built in Coup every time he uncloaks he would be more tolerable in my opinion, because when he was bugged in one of the ptbs he was actually pretty fun to go against and more involved because he actually had to play around pallets instead of just camp pallet, uncloak, five mile lunge for the hit, then disappear.
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Its not so much the Wraith himself as it is his purple All Seeing Add-on
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People complain about whatever is being played. Wraith got buffed somewhat recently and he's not a hard killer to play which has boosted his popularity.
Just leads to survivors who think they are entitled to escaping and can't figure out how to play against wraith to complain he's op hoping they get him nerfed.
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Oh Wraith can still be bullied quite easily. Just bring a flashlight and lightburn him before he can decloak.
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He has too much speed now. I used to play Wraith a lot before the last buff to his speed. It was challenging and I always had a good time. Now it's just way too easy to kill everyone, even with non-meta perks and ESPECIALLY with meta perks. You combine that speed with either of the all seeing add-ons and it's good luck Charles for survivors. They over-tuned him and it's pretty obvious to me that a nerf is in his future.
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I remember a time when we used to make jokes and laugh about them needing to nerf wraith. If the majority now feel wraith needs a nerf maybe it's time to consider BHVR cut killers too deep with their 'balancing'.
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It's not random. Wraith got a buff a couple of months ago that made him very cheap to face off against. Many killer mains or people who like him will casually dismiss any complaints about him and basically say variants of "he's fine, you just need to play better" but the character takes little no to skill to be incredibly effective at getting free hits and / or kills now. More and more people are realizing that and trying to talk about it, even if the argument is the same cycle of wheel-spinning every time he's brought up. "Wraith is cheap and frustrating". "No he isn't". Repeat until the next Wraith thread.
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I just have a problem with all-seeing blood & coxcombed clapper addons. Almost every wraith runs these and it’s so annoying to go against.
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Because on smaller maps Wraith will destroy with his cloak speed. Add that to the fact that every Wraith I see seems to have a silent bell with a purple All-Seeing add-on and it can get super annoying super quick
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He's very oppressive against solo queue and some of his addons are very strong. Also free killer that isn't that hard to play so you get noob killers who face camp/tunnel off hook.
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It takes pretty good aim and luck. As wraith even w/o speed addons you can just juke the flashlight sometimes in peoples face and still get an uncloak
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Wraith is clearly MUCH stronger than he was before. What change would people want? Would people consider him more fair if his base cloaked movement speed was pushed down to 140%? Or 135%?
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"Randomly" Every Wraith I've gone against has been a toxic sweatlord.
Wraith is really good and REALLY easy, means even a monkey can pick him up and at least do somewhat decently.
He's too good for how easy he is. Why bother with Ghostface or Pig when neither have half the amount of pressure or stealth that Wraith has? It's a joke.
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It's not random, he was buffed not that long ago so it probably took a lot of people till now to realize how easy he has it right now. Especially with his aura addons.
Also, I have personally noticed an increase in wraith players so if other people are experiencing the same increase then they're most likely burnt out by simply seeing him at this point.
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God for bid the killer just want a chill game. No they need to play sweat lord nurse if they want a chance to do anything. He's really not that strong He's a low skill cap but he's not super strong so he doesn't need to be difficult. He a killer you can kind of turn your brain off and still have a decent game
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A Killer you can mindlessly play shouldn't be very strong. He is easier to play than Ghostface, Pig, Trapper, Myers, and yet is stronger than all of them.
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Ghostface and Myers both take time to get there power going and have a higher skill cap . Trapper takes time and map knowledge to play correctly and I haven't played pig so I can't really say anything on her. If anything the windstorm may be need to tuned down a little but he is completely loop able and take about 2 seconds to uncloak giving you time to get in a good position.
I'm not including add on because he does have a couple that I can see been problematic
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Want to know how I know you’re a survivor main?
Hes still a friggin 110 speed, m1 killer that can be looped and survivors can still spread out and do gens…
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I don't hate Wraith as a Killer or even think he is boring to face when playing Survivor, but my major issue is that a good portion of them decide to camp/tunnel. In some rarer occurrences, I'd face the All-Seeing Wraith that makes the games infuriatingly slow and tedious. I did think and believe Wraith needed a buff, but now I think he needs an add-on revisit.
Nothing can be done about camping/tunnelling because most main Killers here will say "THE DEVS SAID IT'S A LEGIT STRATEGY" so it's pointless to complaint.
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He's an interesting one, cool backstory and very well written. However, playing against him is just boring imo
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It's not sudden. He got a load of buffs between two patches, and while it was mostly what we all asked for, it was slightly too much, so now he's gone from a fun killer to vs to a killer that you can't do anything about at all if he knows what he's doing, and he almost always gets a free first hit.
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It is baffling to me the Devs give Clown his mediocre at best buff that didn't really boost him at all and yet they give Wraith these monstrous buffs that boosted him to Hell and back. They don't play their own friggin game I promise.
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I think that if I had any issue with Wraith, this would be the only thing. But in the end it all comes back down to add-on's and how so many other killers too have busted add-on's for what would generally be mediocre killers; Myers & Fragrant Tuft of Hair, Ghostface & Chewed Pen/GFCOT, Clown & Redhead's Pinkie Finger, etc.
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His buffs broke him. Literally broken.
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Wraith is OP and needs a nerf, right? Do you think he should be 4.4m/s?
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I would rather his buffs be reverted.
He needs slowed way down.
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Back to the bottom of the killer bin then?
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Mind I ask you what these "monstrous buffs" were?
What they did with Wraith recently was:
- Make him only visible from 20m away, which let's be real is only helpful on huge open maps;
- Make a purple addon basekit (old purple Windstorm);
- Give him a slightly longer speed boost after uncloaking, which was compensated by nerfing his speed during the uncloaking animation.
That's it. There were no more buffs after that. Before the changes every Wraith under the sun used to run Windstorm, so essentially his most significant changes were: freeing up an addon slot and a slightly better chase potential. They even compensated the speed boost buff by nerfing his speed while uncloaking (giving you more time to reach a loop).
The only boosted thing about Wraith now is All Seeing Blood, because now you can run it with another one of his strong addons. And even that is questionable because we're on a game where Alchemist Ring and Mother Daughter-Ring still exist.
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