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I Think I'm Done With Killer
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I'm just gonna take this as a compliment?
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It benefits low mmr killers a lot, and lets just say there is a monetary incentive for them to keep it that way. Believe it or not, new players don't enjoy 4 man flashlight sabo squads trolling them the entire duration of a match.
Don't get me wrong, experiencing those clowns inspired me to get better quickly. But I am not your average new player. Most of them just gave up which is WHY I had to play against those red rank swf as a green killer in the first place.
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Maybe you can make a comparison between your main killer account and the alt killer account. If you notice no difference, then there might be something wrong with the mmr altogether.
Like I understood it, your mmr should be high for a killer you play a lot, and really low for a killer you never play.
Example: Your blight is 100, but a killer like trapper (just saying one of course) you never touched, should be 0.
So if a brand new account, after 20 games or something, is not different than your main killer account, then there might be a problem with mmr.
Of course you should play a bit less good then normal, so if there are really new players, you can give them a chance.
My mmr is not that high, so I think I would not see a difference.
I hope my post makes a bit more sense, I'm really tired and can't concentrate too good this moment :)
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I know how you feel, but well we all know what we are up against, its BHVR. I stopped playing dbd pretty much anyway and play it just rarely a few games a week and I am happy like that, maybe you should also take a steb back.
Here a friendly recommendation, 7 days to die will release soon a new big patch with tons of new content and graphic updates, its a open world zombie tower defense survival game with crafting and block based building, so its alot of fun playing and building with friends and since the new patches they bring out with clear intention to support the game with alot of effort I have a way better time then I ever had with dbd.
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"High MMR" isnt really that high
Dataminers have shown this new system is basically just the old one, but just like the beginning of the old rank reset, (Im talking about pre Plague) itll only be a matter of time until the potatoes reach it
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I don't mostly play killer because I just don't wanna deal with longer queues, which this game has like millions of players playing which is sad.
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It's same for survivors don't give up of what u have fun with because of bhvr ######### up for 8439 time
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My love for the game has been slowly leaking out. I'm not even 100% sure why either. I don't think killer is that much worse than it has been in the past for me (although that might be part of the problem for it's like you said early in the thread; every game seems to be either getting your ass handed to you or handing the survivors asses to them with very little middle ground any more).
But I feel like maybe that's just the ultimate destination of a game like this. The killer has to ultimately become the punching bag as low level survivors need the killer to be like that so they have a chance but this comes at the expense of high level killers as high level survivors know all the tricks to make the killer look silly. If you adjust it, low level survivors get frustrated by being constantly stomped and you lose out on all that sexy new player money. Old vets have already given you their money so them leaving out of frustration is negligible as long as new blood keeps flowing in...
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Do you have cross play enabled? I'm facing the exact same survivors no matter the killer, or even if I switch to survivor lol but that's because I'm on Series S 5.2.2
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I think the game is getting stale at this time. Okay, they still develop the game with the map reworks, but the decisions they make are sometimes mind baffling. And that's fine, it's their game. But I don't always get why they change things nobody asked for, like the HUD. Maybe it was for the Pinhead chapter, but did we really need a HUD change for that one hook in the left bottom of the screen?
Also the grind is just getting terrible every patch with content either. Imagine being a new player who wants to prestige a few survivors or killers or just get a lot of teachables. Every 3 months there are 6 or sometimes 9 new perks to get. The BP gain is so abysmal, even with BBQ or WGLF. And they have acknowleged the grind too, but it takes ages to even get a glimpse of a change or suggested change.
I can also imagine you see almost the same killers at high mmr too as survivor or need to play certain killers to even get a chance to get a kill. That's making the game pretty boring as well. Especially when the mmr is just broken like Pulsar is experiencing (playing killers who you never played before and still getting the same survivors in your lobbies).
I hope I didn't derail the topic too much with this post :$
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Sbmm is destroying this game currently
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It is a compliment, you are one of the nicest people in here.
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I wasn't sure if you were being nice (which you are, so thank you :3) or saying I belonged with the survivor mains for my opinions lmfao
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From what I can tell, you are one of the most unbiased players in here, speaking facts for both sides.
Edit: I meant that you speak facts for both sides.
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Do you have cross play enabled? I remember that long time ago when I disabled it I was quite often matched up with the same people.
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They can balance killers around communications and well coordinated teams.
They won’t though, since they know lots of those teams(who spend money on cosmetics and show them off in their videos) play this game to bully or humiliate the killer and if killers were actually fairly balanced around them, those players wouldn’t play or stream their bully matches.
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it doesn't mean 2 kills 2 escapes every game, but rather 1 game you win, 1 game you lose. An average of 2k can also mean five games 4k of the killer, then five games 0k of the killer. Dbd is designed in a way so that most matches are clear wins/ stompings from one side, the close ones with 2k/2e are actually pretty rare
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I'm not sure if you are only claiming that this mmr system sucks, or if you are claiming that this mmr system sucks and the game is unbalanced.
Losing five gens after 2 chases with Blight is obviously not the game balances fault.
But the mmr seems to not be working as intended. Which sadly isn't the biggest surprise.
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I’m taking a break from the game. Just wish there were other games I had that could take me away from DBD.
And I love DBD but the current state it’s in is not good.
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You're right.
But even then, if kill rates dropped all the way down to 50%, that indicates NOTHING about how well designed the game is, but I expect BHVR to not really care and go "Oh, cool, stats are perfect! Game is balanced!" because why would I expect anything but laziness and fear to make impactful changes from BHVR.
If those 2k games were only possible because of a camp and an endgame kill with NOED or a quick tunnel and a camp to follow it (and I am VERY, VERY confident, from experience on both sides, that a LOT of those 2k games against high MMR players are going to be due to camping and tunneling), then that only shows how awfully designed the game's balance is. I can't even count how many games that I've had to both camp and tunnel to get any kills against high MMR teams because there's absolutely no point in trying to defend a map that's impossible to defend, and I HATE playing this way, but it is what it is. I'm not the only one, that's for damn sure.
BHVR needs to stop hyper-focusing on statistics and numbers and actually address what their game really is at the core. But again, why expect anything but laziness?
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This is actually true, but you make it sound like its a negativ thing.
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Killer queue times have been insanely long but survivors it’s instant. And the bugs with the new console may have something to do with it.
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I admit I don’t understand how his argument about blight losing 5 gems in 2 chases is for sure not a balance issue. If he is not great at blight I agree, that is a personal play issue. If he is fantastic at blight, and it happens constantly, that shows a balance issue.
Ignoring that high MMR killers, proven great at the game, can’t compete with survivors is dangerous. Even survivors answering honestly admit that at high levels they see it.
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Not everyone who plays this game is on comms.
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Ive heard it fluctuates by 200 mmr out 0f 1900. If you have maxed mmr on one killer a killer you have never played will be at 1700. Base is 1100.
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It is a negative thing because the devs clearly don’t care whether or not the killer has fun.
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Why don't you just play bots if you want to get 4k every game.
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Nobody said that.
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He said 2 kills/2 escapes is nuts. Who wants a horror game where you get a 50% kill rate. Sounds pretty much like he wants 3 to 4 kills every game.
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Win and lose are undefined at the moment. There has been plenty of talk about average 50% escape representing a balanced game design which kind of flies in the face of the theme is my point.
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He said a game that is designed to have half of the people ALWAYS escape is nuts, not that having two people escape is nuts.
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Well, how many should you be able to kill. The answer is either 3 or 4. (Since half is a bad answer)
What do you think the kill/escape rate should be? You are playing a competitive game, how would you balance it so that it's fair for all the players?
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Don't bother, a reply like this screams I either didn't read or can't comprehend what was said but I'll say something about it anyway. Its just foolish trolling.
A solo play mode against bots would be great its the only reason I still play Battlefront and Friday the 13th. I would love them to implement custom mode bots.
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I'm still pissed off, I've also played Freddy that I haven't played for months and in the end many SWF squads throw me knowing that my ability with him is still undefined. As I arrived 1 year ago on the 4th anniversary, I want to say that the MMR is a complete garbage for the killer side and they are lately giving more priority to the survivor than to the killer. The only fun thing about survivor are the chases and nothing else, the fun for the killer is the power of him and winning chases.
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Never said everyone did. Devs should still balance around communication and implement something like a preset text wheel or something and make the game more fair for solo and killers.
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Welcome to what i've been trying to WARN people the last 2 years. Nobody wanted to even believe in how bad this SBMM Is in this shite game that's purely RNG on weather or not you'll have a good time,
even if you got the Best RNG as killer. you'll still lose due to alot of factors. (I.E 6 second chances on perks. + the 3 hooks, etc)
Sbmm was a terrible thing they tried to add. i already knew this bs outcome, and sadly i was right. even i'm having to sweat when i didn't have to, and i don't dare touch other killers because of how bad it is,
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All I can is new survivors aren't abusing strong loops or pallets. You could EASILY reduce the impact of high level survivors without compromising new players whatsoever.
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If you hate playing that way, then why do you play that way? Is this like when people hate watch a TV show? Are you hate-playing DBD?
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Yeah individual killer sbmm is broken vote with your wallet that is the only thing that matters to them
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Well, starting fresh would mean that I have no recorded MMR.
Are you saying that on that account I should only play one Killer, then switch to one I've never played and see what I get in terms on matchmaking?
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I use playing this game with a friend as torture when I'm upset with them. Works like a charm. 10/10
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your losing games so your MMR isn't the highest.
Improve your killer play before referencing high-level gameplay. Its not imbalanced at your level of play. Also Its not true that Nurse and Spirit are not only killers played. other killers are played, they're just under-powered and lose more often than they win. In fact I feel like blight is being played more than Spirit now a days. Its sad that spirit has become a rare gem.
Killer matchmaking should have always been like this. the old one way too easy and way too inaccurate. If you never enjoyed playing killer, than that is ok. you can play survivor. Just don't complain about killers or give any feedback on killers on a role you do not play.
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Come over we treat former killer mains well I am a convert myself 😎
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You mean the offline bot mode bhvr also lied about?😏
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100% feel the same. Seriously talking bhvr, turn off this trash system
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You would be surprised by how many people don't care or see the problems competent survivor cause balance wise. Most that don't see an issue usually only play survivor, as you probably already would've guessed. Now, I'm not saying the OP of the just do challenges comment above doesn't see an issue, I'm just saying there are many that don't see an issue and don't care. I'm also not saying people shouldn't be allowed to be good at survivor. The only reason they are so strong and hold so much power over trials is because they devs allow it with the way the don't factor in optimal survivor players in their game balance decisions.
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Lmao.
Okay.
I believe I had someone from the Forums take a look at one of my Blight games, and they agreed I played perfectly and still lost. It isn't about losing, it's about having fun. Even when you win, you aren't having fun because you just filled up an entire ocean with sweat to get a 3K.
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Anytime I get stomped real bad recently in this game I remember that I cant take anything personal from someone getting gassed up from playing the easy mode and move on.
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I haven't had any real difficulty with my matches on either side, but my killer wait times are almost reason enough not to play :(
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right..... um. look, Blight isn't weak killer. he is very capable killer who is in a good position in term of power-level who has relatively deep learning curve. I wish other killers were closer to him. I'm sure you could improve. your comment is disconnected from your original post. Losing is clearly problem for you.
Nobody said playing killer was an easy role. your complaining about inability to easily win, so clearly, it is all about losing. winning does often correlates with fun. Your just not used to playing against strong survivor teams. Strong survivor teams existed in old matchmaking, however because old matchmaking was pretty random, it wasn't very consistent. I am comfortable at playing against these teams because I knew the strength of survivor, so none of these teams really phase me. Eventually you'll get used to facing these teams and hopefully be able to challenge them without it being an auto-lose for you. It is simply part of learning experience of killer.
On another note, I do agree that many of weaker killers are not very fun to play against skillful players, but this is largely balance problem with those killers. It doesn't help that BVHR has had some very anti-fun killer changes... such as Billy rework and freddy changes. Hopefully we get more positive fun killer changes and not these-low level non-sense changes.
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