I Think I'm Done With Killer
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They shouldn't be basing MMR on only kills and escapes. That's all I can say against it.
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I only play Spirit now when I decide to be killer. It's easy, stress-free and I don't need to sweat to achieve decent results, even against very good survivors.
It's a shame, because I know survivors hate going against a Spirit, but what's the alternative? Get looped for 3 generators as Pig, Demo, or Bubba? Nah, SBMM has ruined mid to low tier killers for me, I can't play them without ripping my hair out.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I've lost 15 games in 2021 before SBMM was implemented. I'd like to think I'm decent. The issue is that high level DBD is totally unfun and there comes a point where it's just Spirit who can keep up (since I'm on Console.)
Mathematically, there was no way for me to win. I can literally break down the game for you.
20 seconds to find someone, got the first hit in 10 seconds, downed in another 20 seconds. Total chase was 30 seconds, which is pretty fast considering it was Badham. 10 seconds to hook, then another 10 to chase someone off of a gen. Two gens pop, I start a longer chase. Guy gets unhooked, I finish the chase at around 40 seconds. Hook him and a gen pops from the two that were together. I chase one of them, other one unhooks, last gen pops.
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Jesus ######### christ, so much this. I've been trying to stay even keel, but it's validating to read this. Playing killer right now is miserable. I swear I could handle it if I could get into games more quickly, but waiting all that time just to deal with bullshit is infuriating. I'd rather go back to dealing with the lag of realm vs realm combat in elder scrolls online, because BHVR, I don't want to play survivor!!!
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I'm not who you asked, but I can relate. Personally, I start playing and will be having fun, but then certain things happen that make me rage, whether it be a bug or new queue times. They're usually things that seem temporary, and should be fixed eventually. When those things I hate are removed from the game, or fixed, I won't be playing while feeling hate towards the game.
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Except their last endeavor failed (death garden), so i have a hard time believing they have anything else in the works. Honestly, they make the strangest decisions... no one asked for better graphics, people wanted better performance. What do they do? Improve the graphics, after telling everyone they were going to focus on performance. At this point, though, I think everyone would just like some balancing. I've even heard SWFs complaining that the game isn't really fun at times because it's too easy. Granted, players with comms are making it that easy.
edit: wait, so are you saying that you think the game is fine and it's fun?
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Do you guys think Behavior cares if Killers have fun? Legit question.
People have talked about how Survivor is the power role for a while now, and we have this ofc:
I haven't played the game very much. Only 138 hours or so. I had a ton of fun playing Pyramid Head and Nemesis, but as time went on, matches just became more and more stressful and more and more aggravating. I took a long break from Killer just to come back and it's still frustrating. I either get outplayed to hell and back by survivors with far more experience, or I'm getting BM'd by groups of toxic survivors. Usually both.
So, do you guys think BHVR actually cares if Killers have fun?
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ahh yes... Badham... that wonderful map /s. Honestly, apart from cowshed, mother dwelling and that fable haddonfield map, Badham is probably like 3rd worst map for killer. The reason why I dislike playing this map is that any survivor you chase always.... for some reasons goes to.... school god pallet, into school underground pallet into shack into house of pain in some random order. Its just god pallet into god pallet... into god pallet into god pallet. bang bang bang. Its super annoying because if your weak killer, your basically going to have worst possible early game every single time vs good team which is typically 3 or even 4 generators loss, not to mention that none of these pallets are not interactive for the killer.
Often, when new killer comes out, I like burning like 10 Badham offerings to see how good the killer is because if the killer is good, he should be able to handle badham. Still, Blight is decent killer, he has base-pallet break and its not as easy to chain tiles together due to his speed. so from my perception, You should be able to get on average 5-6 hooks with blight despite the map not being ideal. I feel like hard maps, they're effective instant lose maps vs good teams(no 3-4k) but I feel like if you play your cards right, you can get 1-2 kills on them. The medium-low tier killers usually just get shut out with 0 kills on that map as long survivor does not 3 gen themselves with like 1-2 hooks. Its just that with survivor favored maps, they only need to make one good play for the killer to get steamrolled where as the killer on those maps has to play perfectly and will still lose at the end due to gen speeds.
I don't think you should take strong survivor maps loss too seriously. With killer, you just have to let some losses slide regardless of how good you are at killer. DBD has a weird double standard for killer where it's "ok" for killer to have unwinnable matches where as it is not "ok" for survivor. Instead, its killer billy or freddy that is OP, definitely not the player who is playing the killer really well.
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The game will continue to cater to survivors until the end of time till it dies
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69th up vote
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Nice.
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No, I genuinely enjoy this game and love playing all the different killers. The satisfaction that I'll feel using that killer's power well and getting a good amount of hook states/kills in a tough match outweighs the dissatisfaction I'll feel with the playstyle I may have used. Hating the way I may have played doesn't mean I'll hate the result I'll get or find no fun out of using my ability. Great question, though.
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Yes, and if you notice a big difference between your "new" account and your main account.
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Just as an update, I played some more Killer.
Two games as Pig.
First game had an average hours of ~2500 and I 4K'd with 5 gens.
Next game had an average hours of 500 and I got sent to Haddonfield and destroyed.
There is no consistency and Killer is a miserable experience. BHVR needs to do something and quickly. I don't care what their data says about balance. I couldn't give less of a #########, it isn't fun. Isn't that why people play games, to have fun? There's nothing fun about sweating your ass off for a 0-1K because you dared to play Killer and dared to be decent.
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You aren't supposed to 4K every match.
If you think killer is miserable, try playing survivor with Ruin and Tinkerer every match.
Killers are only happy if they have an overwhelming presence in the match, one in which survivor has practically no way to win. Survivors need more ways to escape because finishing 5 gens is generally impossible.
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Thank you Sluzzy, very cool.
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I don't agree with everything in this post, but I do agree with some of it. A lot of killers seem to think getting a 3K or 4k every game without having to try is balanced. I guess the want easy kills without having to work hard for it.
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My very first killer match ever was my Piggy on Haddenfield. I too got quite wreaked they even took my wallet and left shoe. But I suck as a killer, then and now.
Hope your next matches are far more enjoyable fam.
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To make it even worse, all of the hackers are at high MMR. If you play 10 matches per day you can expect no less than 2 of them to have either overt or subtle hackers.
The number of times people get left on the hook to die has increased as well. Since MMR doesn't count saves and heals, more people are focusing on gens only and escaping asap.
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Yeah, I have not been having fun with SBMM. It doesn't matter how my friend and I play, how many matches in a row we escape or die, we keep ending up with survivors who are absolutely awful teammates. It's miserable. Why didn't multiple gens pop during that chase? Oh, it's because the two other survivors were stealthing around the edges of the map. I never do that, so why am I being matched up with teammates who do? I'm tired of us doing the gens, being the only ones found, and then dying because no one else does gens. Gens earn crap for BP and they're not fun, they're the ######### work, you earn practically nothing if you're the gen jockey but don't escape. I could run the killer infinitely, but it's literally impossible for me or my friend to be the one to escape if no one else does gens. Even if we accidentally bump into one of those hiding survivors in a chase we can't force the killer to go after them, which is a bad move on the killer's part because once we're dead the killer's going to be spending an hour stuck on the map searching every nook and cranny for those hiding non-participants, wishing for the sweet release of death. Killers can go AFK against those kinds of survivors and still no gens will pop.
And how can my friend and I keep getting put up against killers who 3k and 4k every match when all we do is die? Why does this game reward the dumbest crap, like teammates who are AFK until everyone else is tunneled out and then they miraculously come back and escape through the hatch? Why the hell did a Meg go from 163 BP to over 7k just for escaping? How do you survive an entire match, all five gens done and the gates open, and only earn 163 BP?!
I don't need great survivors. I don't expect the best of the best as teammates. Mediocre survivors, decent survivors, survivors who are at about my level of skill, that's what I ask for. Don't DC/suicide/AFK, know what a gen is, and take aggro. Why the [BAD WORD] is that so hard?
Matches weren't great before SBMM, but SBMM has made this game so, so much worse. There's nothing fun about DbD right now.
Edit: Killer hasn't been good either the little bit I've tried, but I've barely touched killer (for a lot of reasons, not just because of SBMM).
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Perhaps now people will stop saying killer is fine and stop ignoring balance requests because their own personal experience has mainly been against bad players.
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I doubt it, but you never know, they got slapped hard with a wake up call. So maybe? It might be healthy in the long run. Mmr is here to stay and is much better for the game. The issue is the game is not really balanced to account for mmr. They need to make some drastic changes or this negative sentiment is going nowhere fast.
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People just want to be able to compete against good survivor players as a good killer player. Only 3 killers in the game even have a possible chance to have a decent outcome against 4 optimal survivors. The rest are a joke in competent skill level play. Also, "killers just want to 4k every game without trying" is a lame strawman argument that bias survivor mains keep using because they love how unbalanced the game is because they benefit from it.
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They have known this for years. EVERY decent player has known this for years and a lot of them have been telling BHVR for years. Marth and his depip squad and on and on. It all has gone in one ear and out the other. They do not care about competent level play. The majority of players are lower skilled, so that is who the game will be balanced for.
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T he game feels pretty balanced to me. Play whatever killer you want and don't worry about getting them 4Ks every game. I still stand by what I said.
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It is not about always wanting to 4k. It is about having a chance to do well. What do you not understand about that? It's about having more fair and balanced matches that can swing either way, and not trials where 3 gens pop by your first down so you now need to sweat and camp and tunnel to have a chance.
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Pretty much every killer can be good if you know how to play them.
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LUL, that's funny. Remember the classic argue, you dont know how to pressure gens 🤡
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No they are NOT against COMPTENT survivors. You can keep telling yourself this over and over, it still won't make it true. If you truly believe this you most likely don't play much killer. Only 3 killers on the killer roster are even decent enough to have a chance. Even then, the killer is still at a disadvantage and will need to play very well. The survivors on the other hand, they have 3 hook states, and a ton of second chance mechanics that will help them still be able to win, even if they make mistakes.
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Don't agree. I play both equally. I main Legion and Pig.
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Clearly your MMR is none or you are playing vs bots... both are the worst killers right now.
With decent survivors -with 2k 3k hours- you can't do anything.
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Sure, lol. I go against sweat survivors like everyone else. Yes, you can do something. Am I going to win against tournament players when I'm playing as Legion or Pig? Probably not. Those players are extremely rare and we shouldn't balance the game around them. Killers aren't as helpless as you're saying, lol. The game is pretty balanced right now.
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2 escapes is unbalanced? What are you talking
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Who are you talking to?
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In my games it is usually survivors are either not good enough -> 4k, or they are ->0-1k (depends how campy mood I have)
I had stop playing Legion and Wraith, because I just too often played against teams that knew how to abuse their weaknesses, so Blight and Oni only now.
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Quoting failed. To someone on 1st page, idk how to edit in a quote.
Someone said because if 2 escapes on average you see how unbalanced DbD is.
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