You can't argue dbd isnt survivor sided☺ I love it 😂
1) Spirit is getting nerfed while nurse still has blink bugs from forever who is left? You have how many killers and 2 are going to be able to compete 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2) map sizes lead to gen rushing without low mobility killers being able to stop it
3) keys/hatches still haven't been reconfigured
4) sbmm in it's current state is to help retain newer players and not scare them off which is fair enough but the same courtesy isnt given to people trying out new killers who have played the game before.
Any others I am missing? Any counter arguments?
Dbd is like a horror movie...Halloween resurrection🤑 mama said knock you out Myers you ain't scary🤣🤣🤣🤣
Edit: silly me I forgot about pallet validation and hold w and predrop pallets🤣🤣🤣🤣 man that is a sad list for killers and it is off the top of my head
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I can.. Now what? 😂
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oh yeah they are survivor biased it’s not like they buffed trapper and finally gave him his 2 traps by default and buffed Blood favor third seal and retribution! Wow so biased
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If this game was survivor sided they would do something about camping and tunneling. So it's not survivor sided. Let's see in future what happens.
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Apart from the Spirit change, the entire update consists of killer buffs.
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You do know that if a survivor Dead Hards over a trap, you can just....pick up the trap right? Suggesting that Trapper's main weakness was anything other than his set up is silly.
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so far this update leans more favor toward killers.
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/nerfs
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Yup and Blight is proven to not be so effective against high MMR survivors...
There is no killer left lol.
Some huge streamers have announced they won't play killer anymore... or way less.
Soon, survivors at high MMR will play only one killer : Otzdarva 😂. Queue times might be long guys, be ready.
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The thing that scares me about the addon changes, is that there are killers on the list that don´t need any changes like Myers and Hag.
They could get the Billy treatment for no reason at all.
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Elaborate🤣
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Dont forget survivor get some buff too. I know that most of perk change still wont make them good compare to the meta but its something. I personally think the trapper buff are good he still cant compete with high mmr survivor but maybe now he will stand a chance vs the average survivor.
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Wow so he can traverse larger maps now and stop those gens against high sbmm? 🤣 and it hurts me to say that as a trapper main but he is still 3 gen material at best
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I think the tombstone piece is one of them.
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Why not legion add on changes?
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They cant...tunneling for some killers that is the only way to get hooks and camping? Come on you work on gens to counter that ☺
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They've said that they are mainly looking at add-ons that are either not used or they deem to strong, for Shape and Hag, I would probably only expect nerfs to:
Judith's Tombstone
Fragrant Tuft of Hair
Tombstone Piece
Mint Rag
Rusty Shackles
Along with buffs to other add-ons that are deemed useless most of the time.
(This is only speculation on my part, these are just the add-ons that I believe to be too game-changing in the current state of the game.)
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Yup lose time picking up the trap possibly line of sight during.the chase give up that bloodlust🤔
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Well my personal opinion is that both sides are fair play but that's just me
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😂😂😂 I enjoyed this laugh.
Not true though lets not be super dramatic. Are the add-ons for most of these killers be in a weaker spot...Quite possibly but we don't know yet. Spirit was OP (Not 100% sure that was a bad thing though) she did need A change just not this much. Knowing when she is phasing would have been enough and solved most complaints. Knowing when she phases and seeing dust/moving my be over the top. We shall see.
However I am a really big fan of FTP so that change excites me.
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Fact is killer mains with 10K hours don't win at high MMR without camping/tunneling.
When you have the best killer mains in the world struggling to get 5 hooks, it's concerning especially when you see that those survivors are trash in chases, they are just well coordinated to gen rush. But well developers seem happy about it.
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At what sbmm level?🙂
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Highest
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You have to admit it isnt looking good for killers though🤑
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Of course it is the cigarette company model...keep new survivors happy so they dont stress vs killers.
If the older players leave who cares they will pump out a new dlc and bring in new players again and buy cosmetics.
Just simple business 4 wallets > 1 killer having to sweat and possibly get bullied if they cant compete.
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I mean if were talking High MMR def not. I still consider myself a killer main even though I been playing mostly survivor for quite some time and that being said yes I am a bit worried. not because of the nerfs to spirit per say but the add-on passes rarely (outside of huntress) have gone well for the killer. The idea is to buff these lower killers by making add-ons more useful but they gut the good ones and do a ######### job of buffing the crap ones. Usually goes like this....Good effect next line MASSIVE downside, or they just get lazy and use Hemmorage as a a buff (????) like what is that no mangled with? I am still sad about Fred as there really ain't much point in running add-ons for him.
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Well i didn't read the concrete potential patch notes but damn that's really something. /S
Trapper gets ONE extra trap (with the still applicable downsides mentioned above) and three whole HEXES got buffed, you know those things that get found often by accident next to spawns/gens or in main loops. Well if that isn't something.
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If you are at the top of the MMR, the game is unplayable as a killer, plain and simple.
There are way too many pallets/windows and OP perks as a survivor.
Guys, Truetalent getting between 2 and 5 hooks in most of his trials.
BETWEEN 2 AND 5 HOOKS ALLO
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I genuinely don't understand the whole "survivor/killer sided" argument, both playerbases are equally important to the continued functioning of this game and it makes no sense to actively discourage the other side from playing.
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The problem is, that Myers is a solid mid tier killer. His Tombstone addons have heavy downsides. Which is balanced. Most of his addons are perfectly fine. Unlike other killers like for example Nemesis, where most if not all of his addons are terrible.
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Finally, a good patch that's actually incredibly nice all around
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why so negative you guys have been begging and pleading for trapper to start with extra traps and now we got it base kit we don’t need the addon anymore and now everyone’s complaining like that wasn’t the change he needed. ######### hypocrites
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A little rank called "black" that nobody really knows about....er well...about only roughly 4% of the entire player base has even seen or played in. Its when your mmr hits cap, and pretty much the only people you face are also capped. Basically the best of the best facing the best of the best.....and up here....its not even the same game. Everyone is using the best and most broken ######### in the game possible. These are also the ranks where the game is 100% survivor sided and you see the same people in matches constantly and queue times exceed to the moon. Red rank hell used to be a meme but its real this time. Its actual hell on earth in the purest form. I haven't seen a boosted survivor in so long I actually miss them making common human mistakes.
Black ranks consist of the following perks and killers every game. Ruin, Undying, Tinkerer, BBQ, Dead Hard, Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, Borrowed Time, Nurse, Spirit, and Blight. <---- This is Dead by Daylight in those ranks. It is the only thing you will see, it is the only thing you can effectively play without getting steamrolled, and these are the only killers and survivor perks that matter. Everything else is either not balanced to be strong enough to contend with the things I just listed or not valuable enough to carry and basically not worth your time. Periodt. Notice how I did not as a Pig Main include pig in anything listed above.....that is how crazy it is.
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<Speculation>
Wraith is probably a nerf to All-Seeing Blood and maybe Windstorm add-ons.
Nurse is probably a nerf to her add-ons
Blight is probably a nerf to Alchemists Ring and maybe the Blighted Crow
<My Opinions>
Billy, Oni, Ghostface and Pig add-on changes are definitely needed.
I hope Scratched Mirror goes down to a Brown add-on for Myers, it fits the brown add-on theme and would allow for it to be run more for more jumpscares.
The buff to Retribution and Vigil look nice.
Trapper getting some QoL fixes and some add-ons looked at doesn't sound bad, not sure I'm a fan of the purple bag though.
The way Spirit plays currently is kinda bogus, so some changes to add some counterplay isn't bad. Lets see what was done to her add-ons before we lament he demise.
Third Seal and Blood Favor still don't feel like they're worth the perk slot. IMHO
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I think the problem is MMR basically highlights two things:
1.) This game is Survivor favored.
2.) As a result, the only way to reliably climb in MMR as Killer, at the highest levels is to play, is to play killers that limit the amount of counterplay survivors have.
At high MMR, this game basically becomes "Dead By Spirit"... since she (and Nurse) are the only Killers you can actually get to that extreme MMR on Killer side.
Prediction: In a few weeks, the most complained about thing will be high MMR survivor queue times.
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Wow that comment blew my mind, you nailed it perfectly. It's exactly how is DbD when you are good enough.
I just disagree with the 4%, i think it's more around the top 15% of the playerbase.
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Spirit is the only one able to compete with Nurse BUT you forgot to mention the fact that if you are a top MMR player with the Nurse (maximum MMR, let's say top 1%), all other killers in your roster will have a MMR of top 5%. So you will still face top survivors and won't be able to do anything.
This is the high MMR trials, where even a considered tier S killer into the hands of a high skilled killer do 0 kill.
First screenshot he did 5 hooks, 2 kills and camped to get those kills.
Second screenshot he did 2 hooks only..........
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BhVR isn't survivor sided, nor are they killer sided
This chapter buffed the stuff for both killers and survivors (Several killers are getting add-ons changed and even text changed) and the spirit nerfs were needed as every killer should be A tier, not S tier
I swear the whole killer sided and survivor sided argument is dumb
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I am not really seeing the change as negative but damn if this change has the same impact as the nerfs they dished out.
Also I personally would've buffed him further by starting his traps as primed at the beginning of the trial so they aren't completely useless until he traversed the whole map for them and then set them up somewhere, meanwhile the first 3-4 gens popped.
And sorry but while one new/repurposed addon with the 2 second reset is kind of nice, the new trapper bag is quite useless, get all traps at the beginning at the cost of being unable to rechange your setup so survivor know where your traps are either after getting trapped once or by seeing you place it (Btw also a change further elevating swf over solo especially with comms).
Not really going to say anything about spirit since I stopped playing her when it became a stigma and led to survivor instant DC no matter the playstyle. But i guess they potentially gave her the billy treatment with this upcoming changes.
And yay? Some hex effects are applicable with M2 instead of only M1, a cooldown removed (from one of the most restricted perks in the game) and toth slightly buffed to make it more attractive next to undying while hexes themselves are still wasted perkslots like before given the ease with which they can be found and cleansed before the killer might even have the chances to get to them or do anything.
And I cant make a comment about the addon pass since there are no details ATM.
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lmfao a change that should've been in since day one. and blood favour is still gonna be garbage. retribution is the only decent buff.
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killrate is 70% and some entitled killer mains still think that DBD is survivor sided. Sigh.
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Survivor queue times are practically instant since the MMR came.
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Because Otzdarva said that’s not the change he needed. Whatever Otz says goes from what I’ve seen tbh
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Ehh tomato tomatoe. I would have said closer to 8% considering how many people have even reached rank 1....EVER.....which if steam charts are anything to go on, only leaves about 8%. I say 4% cause I don't think many of those older capped MMR players are playing on a regular basis anymore. Either scenario is still a tiny fraction of the total playerbase.....which is sad, because they rarely ever address issues at the top. They like to balance the game and make changes to ######### thats not broken, and rarely buff things that are ineffective. That being said they still have till monday to show the rest of what they've been working on. Which after reviewing what they've got so far....I'm not impressed.
Trapper starting with more traps doesn't do anything about his TTK or time per match or reliance on slow down perks. He's still trash. Spirit is in a worse place than before which will likely see her games replaced by even more blights....which was already stupidly high because a lot of those spirit players also play Blight in their back pocket. Boring as ######### I know...but anything else you play just highlights how incompetent the balance is.
Considering the fact that this SBMM thing isn't going away anytime soon, they need to step up their game as far as balance goes and looking over old dusty ass killers, and old dusty ass survivor mechanics. And just straight up shoot down every single over the top survivor perk in the game. Full nuke. And for the love of god do something about gens so we can stop running the same damn bullshit slow down perks every game....
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Was 70%, in the old system when, in red rank, you had 50% of potatoes players.
You could targe the weak link and get the 3 to 4K.
In the old system i won almost 100% of the trials.
In the new system, i get my ass kicked. So i'm top MMR, i loose two trials, i rank down, i get a 3K or 4K quite easily, i rank up again and i'm in an infinite uninteresting loop.
1 game i can win without too many difficulties and then i have 2 to 3 trials where i can't do anything no matter how good i play. Even when i end all chases in 40 seconds (getting a down), i still loose...
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I take exception to the wording "mid tier killer" as I don't think there is a mid tier killer in DBD. It's basically either run spirit or nurse at high MMR or pray ;)
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Hello.....any Legion addon changes in chat? Frank's Mix Tape and Stab Wounds Study says hi.
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I have a feeling Myers and hag maybe even wraith addons are going to be gutted hard.
Hemorrhage is the most pointless "buff" of the game 🤣
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4 wallets > 1 killer it's the whole reason sbmm exists in the first place.
Killers are low priority or else individual killer sbmm would be configured differently🤑
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Soon nobody will play killer.. they only want happy survivors who only press m1 on gens.
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