The woke culture got dbd now...
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I'm barely through the first page and this is one of the worst takes yet.
Trying to protect the planet isn't "woke". It's called being a rational human being.
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False equivalence fallacy is false.
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I would argue that your disparaging use of the word is more combative and does nothing to help the conversation. If anything, it was worded in such a way to get a rise out of people, to "troll them". To "own" people of a particular political leaning so to speak.
No... the unnecessary battle here is from you with the use of such inflammatory posts. This makes you just as bad as the strawman-totem you and your tribe has fashioned to represent "woke culture". Not that certain elements on the other side of the aisle are much better.
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The question you asked was essentially irrelevant.
Its not as simple as “the consumption of 1 NFT vs 1 automobile.” That's a gross oversimplification which tells us nothing of value.
Factories, warehouses etc, are not “whataboutisms” but more so fundamental components and to suggest otherwise is frankly naive.
Do you think vehicles just pop out of the sky? It's an industry. The vehicle isn’t the only thing affecting the environment.
The only one “handwaving” here is you. You “handwave” the actual realities of how industries operate as “whataboutisms” simply because it doesn't suit your argument.
I on the other hand am simply calling out people’s hypocrisy.
Those people using phones are the sole reason for the existence of the phone industry. The entire phone industry, the workers, their vehicles and fuel, their offices, factories, warehouses, construction, maintenance, manufacturing, all the energy consumption and environmental impact, all because people want to buy and use phones.
That's not a small thing for you to “handwave.” You’re directly responsible. But you don't care because you like your phone. So why are you taking issue with NFTs?
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Post edited by DangerScouse on1
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You seem to be confused. I'm specifically talking about the collective of individuals. There's no such thing as one random person using one random phone. There are billions of people using billions of phones.
My argument has been consistent the entire time.
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I never compared NFT to an individual using a phone. I compared NFT to the entire mobile phone industry.
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You're honestly trying to suggest that the energy consumption of 1 NFT transaction is greater than the total energy consumption of the entire mobile phone industry?
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I dont know what you are talking about with fashion thing and politics. Thats not the debate.
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You mean the asinine question that was irrelevant to the discussion?
Honestly you're not arguing on good faith here and it's getting a bit tedious repeating myself so I'm going to bow out. Feel free to bring me back in if you've anything new to add.
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woke culture would have been something like "fire x because they dont support blm" or "x is pro trump, fire them"
inform yourself before throwing buzzwords
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actually no because right leaning opinions are not considered "woke"
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Wat?
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While technically no, 1 NFT being created is roughly equivalent to 500 miles of diesel smog, sans transactions and storage, at minimum. The NFT industry as a whole has eclipsed that of contemporary automotives in equivalent timeframes by orders of magnitude.
Nothing of value was added by your irrelevant and ignorant commentary anyway. Come back only when you're willing to present anything in good faith and appreciable understanding, which have been represented in exactly zero of your responses.
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Right over your head.... I'll put it plainly.
Your post is bait trying to get a rise out of people. You're doing it because you have this extreme caricature of what you think woke culture is and it enrages you. And thus, you are lashing back in said anger in an effort to "Get them back".
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Chomp chomp
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😂😂
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If its what you are thinking... but you know better than myself what I think.
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Since when did it become woke to vote with your wallet?
Just because not everyone in the company is responsible the heads and people in control did make the decision to get involved with NFT's.
You might want to look up the word btw. Trying to avoid the firing of employees, indicates that you are aware of the social impact that no longer supporting a game can have. Instead of looking at the choices made by the company and the implications of those decisions to make a determination whether or not you want to support it.
NFT's even without the association with the environmental impact, it binds game assets to perceived value of assets within it and real money. It is a pure money grab and has many scams associated with it. Additionally the flat out removal of games that are associated with it on Steam, puts the game at risk for many players... if you think some people voting with their wallet against the choices the company makes is anywhere near as impactful as being removed from the leading game platform on the PC market!
Care about the workers? Maybe tell the higher management of BHVR that going for short term gains over longevity, give the gamers the best experience possible without risking the game on one of their major platforms? If BHVR goes belly up, needs to downscale... it is because of the decisions they made and the product they delivered.
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I think you dramatise the situation. Dbd will not be removed from Steam they dont violate the rules at all.
I think there is other ways than boycotting to be heard.
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They are placing themselves at risk, you might want to read the guidelines of steam and their latest update:
Applications built on blockchain technology that issue or allow exchange of cryptocurrencies or NFTs.
The fact that the NFT is a model within the game and it might grant you access to the corresponding chapter, it means that they most definitely seeking a line here... is that a guaranteed boot off the platform, no... as that is for Steam to decide. However, it is a slippery slope that actually places the players that have the game on Steam like myself at risk, to no longer have access to it and BHVR having to think of alternatives; which would cost them substantial amount of money and the requirement that we swap platforms, which historically isn't something many people are going to be very happy about. That is just reality, Steam is taking a hard stance here and they might want to plug loop holes and set an example of zero tolerance.
There are other ways to be heard, but the choice to get into the NFT is one motivated by money. It might have been part of the deal they struck or something, but it for sure is based on money. One of the oldest ways to cast your vote in a meaningful way is by having your wallet do the talking! Actions speak louder than words, people do more than just one to be heard; look at the forums, social media, youtube content creators, etc. It is not a question of exclusivity, you can actually do multiple actions at once to be heard and combining multiple is truly a lot stronger than just the one.
Supporting a company or not based on their policies, decisions and the risks. It isn't woke, the use of NFTs is more than just environmentally impactful. It actually puts the game I own in my steam library at risk, literally for a money grab and introducing perceived value items for real money (meaning this doesn't even have a set value) into a game... which is not really what I want to see in games I play to be completely honest. There are better ways to monetize, that isn't pretty much exclusive to the rich.
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I totally get your point. The thing is dbd isnt selling NFT at all. I dont get how Steam could ban dbd. And Behaviour is not stupid they know Steam rules.
They are not selling anything related to NFT.
However I hope everyone is enjoying the new update :)
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They helped develop them base on cosmetics, it can grant access to content within the game namely the chapter. It is an endorsement and attachment of their name, game and it are their assets made into NFTs.
This is a new area of the industry and Steam is adamant about their position. They can simply view it as a loophole, you own NFT X and now gain access to content Y. By proxy the NFT now is a means to gain access to content and that could be enough for Steam. In the end it will be Steam that makes that determination, not BHVR. It is also a gateway for them to continue adding it to deals and threading a line.
They are associated with the practices of NFT, as they literally helped their development. The tech has some solid areas where it can serve a purpose, but the ones BHVR helped develop is not one of them. They used resources to develop this, this is what they paid people to make. There is most definitely a financial incentive here to do so, but is it something you as a consumer want to support?
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I support the game and the content and the very talented devs.
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gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
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That is a decision for all to make on their own.
You calling people to not do it, dictate that they have no reason for it, they are woke and demand their unquestioning support for BHVR... is the ludicrous part.
There are most definitely reasons to be against this development within the company. If this isn't a deal breaker for you or completely irrelevant continue your patronage. Yet it goes both ways, those that are against it can most definitely raise there voice and zip their wallet.
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There are a lot of people in the forum who said if we dont boycott we are for NFT and terrible person.
So before saying to me to let people make their decisions, told the people who boycott to not blame people like me who just want to enjoy the game.
Im not for NFT.
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Oooh that ratio is harsh
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Yes I played before the crashes and the new chapter is very cool. Mikaela is cute and boon totems are strong.
I played some killer games and I though the best boon was the healing one but I had more difficulties with the one who hide scratchmarks. It is very strong.
I played against a 3 blink nurse omg, it was intense.
Its a very good mid chapter I cant wait to play again tomorrow (im in europe)
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Isn't that a bit of a hypothetical argument though, you made a post calling them woke, told them to show unquestioning support for the game and all that. You are part of those lot of people that bash others for not being on your side.
Yet now I have to feel sorry for you that others treated you in the same way?
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Legit, it's just whinning. I'm gonna happily buy the new survivor, the Trickster and the Stranger Things dlc, especially because it'll make these people seethe
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Woke culture sucks donkey balls. This is not an example of woke culture.
Please stop saying ignorant things, it makes real criticisms towards actual woke culture seem less insightful. Thank you.
Tons of energy being wasted and polluting the planet over ######### JPEGS, sound files or 3D models is an embarrassment, don't need to be woke to see that.
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The only time I'm sure that a 'woke' referenced post has been allowed to stay up.
The annoying part is that it references one of the least impacted and relative 'woke' arguments.
It's only because it's in favour of the game/devs that its allowed to stand. Had it gone into any real meat of a 'woke' argument it woulda been taken down instantly.
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They started first !
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How does the justification that someone did something first means you can now do it to others?
You made the initial post here and by lashing out to everyone that might have a different idea than you... you are no better than those that did it to you. In this conversation, you started first!
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And what they did to us why I could not did this to them ?
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You are literally crying about how they treated you, but feel justified to treat other people in a similar manner.
Imagine... the entitlement and childish behavior. You are not doing it to the people that acted that way, you are doing it to others.
Where did I treat you that way, yet you feel justified to treat me as such... did I start it or did you at that point. Grow up!
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Lol bigots making things that have nothing to do with being 'woke' a 'woke' issue so they can whine and spread their bile. Hilarious.
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What Halloween event? There isn't one lol they gave us 2 skins this year and nothing else when in previous years (when they had less money btw) they gave us much more and for free.
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Dude I was joking omg I was just making a caricature of people who boycott dbd
Wait tomorrow :)
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This is what gets me more than anything. The consistent message from BHVR is that they care way too much about money rather than customer satisfaction, or respect for that matter.
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Judging by the 66,000+ on Steam alone playing today it doesn’t seem like this NFT business is causing any kind of major boycott.
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Good news, enjoy the new update :)
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I’m just stating a fact. Not saying I’m necessarily enjoying the update.
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Tbf most people saying they'll boycott moreso mean no more spending money, so it doesn't mean much.
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this is true. People seem to forgot boycotting isn't exclusive to just "not playing a game" you can boycott spending money too. But no, gotta use it in a way that suits their agenda.
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Then it’s not really a boycott/protest. Like you said, it doesn’t mean anything if you keep playing the game.
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So yer Excited for a patch where it breaks half the stuff in a single 24 hour experience.. loaded with bugs and glitches and not useful buffs to say the least,
Allthewhile Nerfing killers that Didn't need said nerf in the first place? Gotta support behavior on that one..
...Sorry but i'd rather Not pay for anything in dbd until they actually fix the game... And to remove Pinhead
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Not quite what I was getting at for the 'not meaning much;' I was referring to the statistics.
If people don't spend money on the game, then that's a big issue for bhvr, so if enough people do it, it really does mean something regardless of the number of players.
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