Another camping thread - Its getting worse
So there have been a lot of talk of campers on here, and I have been a big advocate that proxy camping is not a problem, waiting for the save and then going on the chase. This keeps you busy, spreads the love and gives the survivors a chance to save and play. I normally get more hooks, even if I lose the game, but when I get a 4K I know I have earned it.
Face camping is a big no, because it's boring, spoils the game for all and is not worth it. Why get one hook and about 10K of blood points, when I can get multiple hooks and over 30K or more and have more fun.
I have been playing for about a month, so up until tonight I have only met a few face campers, the proxy campers I respect, even if the tunnel me, after all three survivors doing gens if better the four. I have met a few campers, normally Bubba's which I understand an bit, and one streamer who I had looped for a while in another game and he did not catch me, although he tunnelled me, who actually took time to find me in another game, just to get me down and then stood in front of me, hitting me with axe. I think I met somebody the other day who was just bad and camped me, but got off hook and left. And one last night who I ended up 4%, being on a hill by gate with wraith stood in front of gate, injured but with med kit, and as the others left, hatch spawn right behind me.
Today a friend and I played for six hours. We had no boon totems, I had the usual build of sprint burst, kindred, borrowed time, resilience, my friend had no perks or addons because of Steam achievements, but in six hours of playing, one game did not involve a face camper, whether it was us or some random person who just joined in lobby somebody was face camped, and these was on 4 and 5 gens. Then when you saw their loadouts, it was BBQ and Chilli, NoEd, Ruin, Iron Grasp, No way out, then offerings like Mori, iridescent or very rare addons. Some was console players, some PC, some low ranks who I can understand a bit if the can't chase, some high red ranks. We had Bubbas, a Trickster who actually stood in front of me and threw knives, somebody had a Huntress throwing hatchets, we had a Legion, but to be fair it was an indoor map and they was having a hard time getting a kill, but many others did not even give chase much, got one lucky hit, hooked and then would not leave the hook, even when other players stood looking.
It does not bother me if they really want to face camp, it give me time to browse the web inbetween and all the time the killer is with me, the rest of the team can watch kindred and carry on with gens. When the gens are done they can rescue me and we can leave, or I die and the killer gets one kill, but it seems like the problem is growing and with more and more survivor players getting fed up with it, how long before people decide to leave the game.
People moan about players who DC, it is so easy on a console to hit the off button. Even with a 24 hour ban and come back the next day, or never. The problem is not with people who DC, its the way people play.
Now I know some killer mains will say about gen rushing, which we was not, in fact we was spending time doing totems, chests and things for challenges. It was just because they was either that bad, wanted to play to spoil the game, or thought it was the only way to get a kill and think it was a win.
Something needs to be done about face camping.
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I heard they’re looking into facecamping and I really can’t wait for the results.
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I can tell you that more than likely face camping will never be addressed since the devs really don't see anything wrong with it. In a recent q&a 'apparently!' They're experimenting with techniques but cannot make any promises to implement any.
I don't even believe they're testing anything tbh, personal view.
I'm at a point that face camping doesn't bother me anymore, or tunneling. Or survivors that wanna bully and clicky clicky etc..., cause that's just dbd now.
I get your frustrations though, it sucks the more much people play like scum or sweaty(both sides) since... MMR appeared.
Honestly, I would say just try not to get bothered and learn to live with it or else good luck wanting to stick to this game.
Just my personal opinion is all :)
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yeah. Maybe a perk/passive that makes it so your hook status doesn't decrease/decreases considerably slower while the killer is within 4/8/12 Meters? Maybe you could actually get more time when you get hit on hook as a bit of a meme.
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The ones to blame are the devs not the few killers that still play this game sadly. Since boons and hit validation, specially DH validation killers are camping and tunneling from hook 1 considerably more than before.
You have arrived in a bad time to the game my friend. It wasn't like this before this patches, changes that clearly aren't healthy for the game as this are the consequences of devs bias.
That being said.. i highly doubt that the devs will step back with this changes. So if the they come with a solution to camping from hook 1 i can guarantee that it will damage the killer community even more, instead of finding an option that benefit both sides which should be the right choice.
And one of this options could be for example, balance the game so killers don't feel the need to do that anymore, because lets be clear, the only people that face camp are frustrated players cause there is no fun either as killer in doing that.
So balance should be the priority for a healthier and less toxic game, and only after that some punishment to face camping could be applied if still exist.
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I have just played a killer game, doing challenges like hitting survivor with weapon, breaking gens etc. Had a team that bad that I had to stand and let them heal, I was so afraid of hooking them incase they did not save or DC, because I wanted the challenge done in one game. When I let them have gate, they waited till end of timer tea bagging. At first I thought it was toxic, but then I thought it way of them just saying thanks for not camping and tunnelling, but after the night I have had, I can see why people do teabag to be toxic.
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Where did you hear that?
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I would love the timer slowing down as I beat them on hook. Why has nobody suggested this before? It is amazing, and if you do not want more time, you just don't smash their face with the hammer. Easy.
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The issue with facecamping is that, yeah, we'd all love to get rid of it. It sucks.
However, there isn't really a way to punish facecampers without punishing honest players.
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The dev design the game to become like that with the introduction of hit validation, mmr, dh validation and boon. The kill the hit and run tactic now killer get robbed of their hit i know you will say they never should have got them but if i listen to the audio and what i see the killer should get those hit.
Maybe next patch something will be done for that but i dont think the solution will be fast they are too busy making sure the B tier killer are unplayable before fixing the game issue
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True that.
Also whenever I end up visiting the forums, I see your activity on posts the second I log in haha. "Oh, it's Pulsar!"
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The Bubba camped because you enraged him, there are a guide for facing Bubba and prevent the camping.
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Well, I do have 9,000 posts now and 32K upvotes, so the statistical likelihood of you seeing a post or comment from me is fairly high. Apparently, I'm on track to surpass Orion and their posts/upvotes pretty quick here.
But yes, I do spend an unholy amount of time here.
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The issue with that is Survivors could abuse it by running killers near the hook to prevent any hook progress.
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+liked because saw babu Dweet in post.
j/k 😂 but I agree with your general feelings about this
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Because there's no fix for it. It's just inherently built into the game and it was massive oversight by the developers. You can't fix it unless you basically rebuilt the game's mechanics. People like to say that fixing the game balance like generator time,blah blah would magically delete face camping and tunneling from the game it won't. Any killer can just wake up and suddenly think "I want to be a douche today" and they can and there's nothing stopping from them. I spent years with the game and I have never seen a single person suggest a fix to face camping or tunneling without being intrusive to the killer or changing how the game works. You just can't.
That's just how it is really.
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Right there have been alot of times survivors would loop me AROUND the hook. They dont try to lure me away they just loop near the hook. One time that happened the survivor died on the hook, at the end game chat all the other survivors accused me of camping. When I said you guys wanted to loop me around the hook, their reaponse....well you should of just let us un hook them so you were camping....
I hate entitled survivor mains like that.....
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You should have said you would have let them, but they never tried.
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Yea I know.....I felt bad for the survivor on the hook. I only really face camp on survivors that grief me too much or pallet slammed or flashlight stunned me way too many times...but other than that I walk away after the usual check the surroundings.
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Didn’t they say that on a dev stream? not sure though
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Killers are face camping due to knowing they can’t win a match because either gens went too quick or they can’t catch the survivors very easily. The busted boon totems are also why people are face camping so it most likely wont calm down till they nerf boons.
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I understand the pain honestly, I don’t facecamp but I can understand why people do, just hold in there buddy
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I really dislike this mentality, as it underpins the biggest balancing issues in the game.
Any time the killer doesn't like anything, he just takes the entire game hostage by facecamping.
'I want boons nerfed, so I'll facecamp until they're nerfed'
'I want Dead Hard nerfed, so I'll facecamp until it is.'
'I want gen speeds nerfed, so I'll facecamp until they are'
'I want Red Herring nerfed, so I'll facecamp until it is.'
Facecamping is the lodestone of the game's balancing issues and it really needs to be dealt with.
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I couldn't have put it better myself.
But for real. Face camping + NOED guarantees a killer 2 easy kills almost every match as long as they're somewhat competent. All I want is for a killer who face camps (Early in the match) to be severely punished and the person who gets face camped from first hook to death to get distraction points (In Objectives category) or SOMETHING to compensate for being literally held hostage all match.
I have grown to not mind slugging and tunneling because there is counter play to them and you can still play the game through them but if you're being face camped there is no counter and you don't get to play the game. How is that okay? Or enjoyable to new players?
I don't face camp at 4-5 gens and I do just fine. Honestly if you need to face camp + NOED to guarantee kills that's kind of sad. If you don't want to put in the effort of playing killer then why play it at all?
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I only facecamp when doors are activated. Did it today and i got survivor telling me in the end i should have accepted i lost and let me save that person without camping... Sorry survivors but you are not entitled to everything in this game.
Devs need to fix the maps + gen speeds before they do anything to camping. Killers are having big issues now which is causing more camping and tunneling.
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Yeah but like camping and tunneling is a strat... like iv never face camped but I have been forced to proxy within a few metres to try get some pressure back.
But let's be real tunneling is more popular now because more and more killer feel they need to, but I get that tbh. I was playing with a friend and I was getting tunneled and my friend was getting mad? I'm just like nah I dont blame him he needs to try something.
Alot and I mean ALOT of people over use these terms. I can get called a camper when I chase someone to the hook or sometimes when I'm not even near lol.
But I'll add this, I was playing billy, getting insta downs quickly over and over. I only just managed the 3k, it was quite clear I was far above the skill they're use to and yet I couldn't get that 4k because I played "too nice" but luckily I had fun that match, got lots of nice curves in and played so perfect i got loads of hooks.
But that's the issue, play perfect and still the last one tbags at exit lol
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If you want to know why so many killers camp and tunnel, I'd recommend you to play only killer for a month. Not just a killer daily every few days, but dedicating a whole month to the killer role.
I guarantee you that you'll understand why killers camp.
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That is not what normal people call facecamping though, that's just crying. He should blame the teammate then..
There is a big difference in complaining about ACTUAL facecamping, which undoubtedly is a big problem atm. I'm talking about refusing to leave the face of the hanging survivor, even though there are 5 gens left and noone around.
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Yes there are a lot of facecampers out there, sadly. More than before. I get why some people think they have to camp to get kills, which is sad because it not only ruins the gameplay for themselves but also for everyone else that trial. Im mostly talking about facecamping early in the game, not in the EGC or something..
Why is facecamping worse than everything else? Because it totally rejects the suvivor being facecamped from actually playing the game. After 6 games the other day I was facecamped at 4 or 5 gens remaining in 3 of them. I was playing with a friend. Half of my gaming time I was on a hook, totalle unable to actually play the game. Really made me think, is this worth it?? After spending all this time on the grind and money on every DLC, outfits etc, I am kinda stuck though. I never play enough to invest time with a new game wither.. UGH!
Playing in a good SWF, this is not a big problem - you just do gens and get out. Playing Solo or with 1 friend you are hopeless against a facecamping killer (Bubba). The others will use time roaming the hook before figuring out the killer is camping. It is basically a free 4K with no gameplay.
The weird part is the joke is on the killer, for getting these 4K matches means that they will face tougher opponents and then they are stuck with facecamping to even have a chance.. haha!
Again I'm not blaming anyone, but this is not a healthy sign.
THIS GAME IS AN EVIL CIRCLE.
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Facecamping doesn't result in a 4K that often though, and eventually you will get to an MMR where the Survivors know what you are up to and it will net you 2K max.
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hey welcome back!
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they've tried doing something about facecamping and never made it to live so I wouldn't hold your breath.
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It's exactly the same for me. Camping/ tunneling has been pretty bad since the DS nerf (pretty obvious why killers wanted it gutted, lol). The only thing boons have made killers do (more) is abandon less chases so that survivor's don't get away and heal. That's the only difference I've noticed.
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DS didn't even get gutted. I run it a lot and it still works the same for me.
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It really needs to work on both unhooks and I think it'll be fine.
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I think one use is enough. You can save it for your second hook if that helps.
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It's meant to be an anti tunneling perk and it should do it's job better than it currently does.
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No you can’t save it. If you fail the skill check you loose it.
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not if you don't attempt to hit the skill check.
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Hitting killers with pallets is facecamping worthy now? damn .............................
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The "nerf" to DS made it work in exactly the same way if you are legitimately tunneling though
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Yes you lose it even then. I’ve tried lmao
Or is it changed?
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I did it the other day and I got to keep DS after my second hook.
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Not always. What about stealth killers? I thought I was safe against a GF and started to heal myself only to lose DS and get hooked again, lol. I never bring DS without Spinechill anymore. Like I already said: I think making it work twice will make it much better.
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TBH this might be a valid point, making it work twice would totally screw over someone genuinely tunneling.
The reason I hate DS is because I used to always get caught out with it and get hit by an end-game DS when I'm not really "tunneling", I'm just fighting for a last kill. Quite often in these cases one DS is enough for them to escape anyway. Although just trying to think if a 2nd would make it too annoying.
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Thank you!
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Nah it's when they TeaBag after every slam is what does it.
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The complain threads about camping increased shortly after the Undying nerf. The DS nerf was later.
Oh and the devs showed survival rate with/without DS both before and after the nerf. They looked exactly the same.
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You have summarized everything i guess. To make it short :
The killers are playing toxic as the game design is flawed on many aspects.
The killers' toxicity is a result of the global game design toxicity.
If the trials were winnable for good killers without the need of camping/tunneling, most of the killers wouldn't do it.
As the OP has said : it's getting worst. Why ? Because the state of the game worsen with every updates. And it won't stop anytime soon.
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If survivors didn't try to abuse every "fix" maybe one would stick, but so far survivors seem keen to try and use any "camping ban" as an offensive tactic against the killer.
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I don't really care to complain about face campers. They are playing psychopaths after all. Michael Myers invented the face camp as he stared at good ol' bob after he pinned him with the butcher knife in '78.
If a killer was after you irl do you think they wouldn't keep chasing you because it's not right to tunnel? Do you think they wouldn't face camp?
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