Wow, playing killer in 2021 is so fun right??
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The problem is you are declaring this as "unmitigatable abuse." Its extremely easy to mitigate. Do not chase survivors at that main building. Is it good that the building is that strong? No, of course not. I hate that building. Its for that very reason smart killers literally ignore the generator up top unless they have a vertical movement ability like Hag, Nurse, or Demo. Once that generator is finished (which it was) there is no reason to even enter the building anymore. Now normally people could speed burst after getting hit and get TO the building, but seeing as he was Legion and everyone was always injured, there was no chance of that.
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"The unmitigable abuse" applies only to that, where lockers, ridiculously strong loops, the ability to flashlight through the tiniest slit in a wall, invalidates the majority of killer gameplay. I'm quite sure no-one wants to suggest killers carry franklins or lightborn every game. As BHVR has said it before, if something exists in every game, well, that's just not good design.
You don't think that building should be so strong, you don't think that generators should be out of play simply because of their spawn position. I'm assuming you also believe that most buildings shouldn't have such easy fall back safeties (Like lockers with ridonkulously safe flashlight approaches), and you also watched them body block on several occasions, killing his ability to get some of the survivors when they were not at the building.
Honestly, it sounds like you're agreeing with me, just with extra steps. I still believe that the majority of players have to look at this video and see that. He was clearly tilted and it affected his gameplay decisions. That doesn't make how the survivors were able to play healthy, or even appropriate. And with how MMR is that SWF can go against killers with significantly less experience than Tru.
What a great experience.
Sidethought: I also think your last sentence is outright wrong. There are several gens that if you frenzy them and then catch up to them and fatigue, they're still reaching any number of the windows in main building that allow them to pull off the locker play.
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Same. It would be nice to see if the people backseating would be able to do anything better.
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You can main a side and still have fair share of opinions.
Not everyone want easy matches and everything on the other side nerfed.
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And even sacrificial wards can be override if 4 map offerings are burned, which obviously only occurs with SWF. Which is only fair, I guess, more players in that match wants that map than players who don't 🤡.
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when your ass gets beaten
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Literally only made it to the pallet because of Dead Hard, cope.
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Many people did not understand that the topic of the post is not to analyze every single mistake that the killer makes, because to err is human and I am sure that each of these mathematicians who are experts in probability and dbd would have made some of those mistakes, because from the point of view of the viewer it is easy to notice and point the finger at the mistakes made by saying "I personally would not have made this mistake" starting to tell how you would have won THAT match against THAT team.
The point is very simple guys, playing killer is neither fun nor stimulating.
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That flashlight save at 3:15... I thought they fixed this bug, what a naive kid I am ;)
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What is the point in playing a game that has a physical and forced limit to your skill? The man wants to show what he can do but the developers are trying to force a 2k average no matter if you are good or not.
You can see it when he plays survivor and just messes around while escaping 90% of the time.
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Whenever Ive checked ur stream, instead of outplaying all of them as described above, I remember two things.
Oh now here is a god pallet.
Oh now here is a god window.
Ended up with 0K.
Its quite easy to be a general once the war is over
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90% of the killer playerbase wouldnt have done better than Tru3 here.
This is the problem most of you guys don't want to see. Bully simulator is a real mindset, and it's sad.
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Survivor mains will watch this video and swear there’s nothing wrong
“fLaShLiGhTs aRe tHe wEaKeSt iTeM”
”everyone’s injured so it’s perfect for the killer”
”if everyone’s being chased then no one is on gens”
”just face walls better when picking up”
“it looked like a fun chase, what’s the problem?”
I personally can’t wait for the next patch when exploits like these are completely overlooked and we get Artist nerfs instead because anti loop killers are OP and un-fun right? Or maybe we’ll get more Cenobite nerfs because he’s still “over performing”…Who knows, who knows.
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I mean I like tru and all but he does tend to blame a lot of his mistakes on the game. A few days ago he played as Deathslinger, missed 90% of his shots because he kept trying to do insane flicks and insisted that mmr was at fault, not him missing his shots because he was trying to show off.
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but then you have otzadarva or we, who yday played nurse in school vs baby survivors.
Using standard perk build, and saying see, game is perfectly balanced and sbmm is flawless, otherwise i would not get 4K.
Right…
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Oh I'm not denying the fact that killer is a lot more stressful to play recently because it is very stressful these days. I'm just saying that Tru sometimes doesn't take into consideration that in some matches he made mistakes like we all do. :)
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Which part of this was bullying? Did they insult him in end game chat?
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There's more to bullying than verbal harassment, y'know?
It's very simple: this is a game, so trapping people in a situation they can't have a fun experience and have no escape from is bad. Body blocking people into corners, for instance, for the one thing Killers can still do to deny the end of the game (and is, notably, against the rules). Survivors who have the resources/mindset/skill difference to drag out the game until they get bored, whilst the Killer has the choice of: A) go AFK, or B) engage in pointless chase after pointless chase whilst whatever tool is used against them.
If one side is in a position where they can't end the game and the other side could but is choosing not to, that's bullying. You're not letting the other player move on to a game they might actually win.
And then you can add on all the people who admit in endgame chat or out of the game that they're also specifically running builds meant to be frustrating and they're out to annoy people, not win and escape. So, that adds onto it.
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facts matter more than words, don't you think all this was done for the sole purpose of bullying the killer? So are you telling me that if there is no insult in the endgame chat, then it is not considered bullying?
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Killers like to say that they got "bullied" when they lost.
But nope, the Streamer is the only person in Endgame Chat who starts an argument. First thing is claiming that the Survivors were using stretched resolution. Without any evidence or whatsoever.
But hey, if a Killer is saying that, it must be true.
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So for you facecamping/tunneling/camping is also bullying because the survivor isnt having fun?
You not being able to catch the survivors (keeping in mind they arent cheating) it's not bullying, it's just SBMM not working and putting you with people who are not the same skill as you.
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I know. People use the word "bullying" = I'm not having fun, but then say camping/tunneling is a "valid strat". It's only fun when I do it, when people do it to me it's "bullying".
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Killers camp and tunnel for "strategy", survivors can win even without doing this, they clearly do this only for bullying.
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How about the part where they were abusing obvious exploits so he literally couldn’t get a single hook, thus unable to progress the game.
what was he meant to do? Stand in the corner with his back to the wall and just accept being “outplayed”
I swear survivors will tell killers to just “play chill” and “not care about hooks or kills, just play for fun”, all while they’re playing like SEAL team six and are purposely playing to annoy
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yeah, being stunned and blinded every 5 seconds is very fun
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"Exploits" are bannable. So no, there weren't any "exploits". Another over used word that people dont know what it really means.
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Killers can also win without camping and tunneling. I main both Freddy and Pig, dont camp or tunnel and still win.
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No, the important aspect I was emphasising is trapping them in the game. Habitually bodyblocking survivors in corners would be bullying: they have no means by which to advance the game and escape (if they're the last survivor, nobody can trigger EGC if the hatch is open, after all). Because there exists not even the slightest possibility of getting out of this situation, it is rightfully against the rules.
When Survivors want to bully, they do need to get lucky on target (same as a Killer would to back you into said corner): they need to be able to either outplay at their leisure (or as long as their flashlights last), such that the Killer has minimal to no chance to secure the kills necessary to win. Then, they just don't complete the last gen, so the Killer can't open the exit gate, and is forced to either keep engaging in chases or give up on doing anything.
This video is actually a perfect example: 3rd gen pops at 5 minutes, 4th gen pops at 7 minutes, nowhere near Tru3. All of the gens are spread out, so it's not a 3gen scenario, and he has zero hooks at this point. It should be trivial for someone to go off and do a gen, then everyone to Escape. It takes another 3 and a half minutes for that last gen to be done, and another 3 minutes after that for anyone to open the door. That is not the actions of a team playing to win; fully half of the game was spent in a position to win at any point and they put it off to run around.
When I run into people who I know I clearly can't beat, and they know I clearly can't get them, and they proceed to spend 10+ minutes running loops on the last gen, I don't think their aim is "beat the Killer and escape". There is no way that "don't do your objective for ten minutes" can somehow pass for "advancing doing your objective". It's very much the opposite.
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You aren't trapped in the game, you can still catch them. Pallets arent infinites and the killer is always faster than the survivors unless you're playing nurse.
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sorry, but you sounds like you have 500 hours btw
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Lol you think the devs care? They haven’t done anything about stretch res yet when that’s clearly cheating. You can literally reveal Ghost Face over obstacles you otherwise couldn’t, you get an advantage in loops and if you’re playing killers like Nurse you don’t lose track of survivors as much during fatigue
If they still haven’t addressed stretch res then they’re obviously not going to class “locker tech” as exploits when evidence suggests it is
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fortnite developers have managed to remove the possibility of playing in stretch, maybe they should take lessons on how to fix their game
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Nothing done in that game was an "exploit". No one was hacking/cheating or doing things that weren't supposed to be in the game.
You don't know if any of those survivors were using stretch res since you don't see their POV.
Sometimes even when Ghostface is in the middle of your screen, you don't reveal him. It's just a power that was badly implemented for both sides, which has nothing to do with this game at all.
Nurse is fine the way she is. She is incredibly difficult to master, and if you're able to do so you should be able to do fine with the strongest killer in the game.
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Agreed with everything except your last two sentences. But your on the right track.
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They needed a spanking from Nurse or Spirit for how they treated Legion.
Nurse and Hillbilly should have never been nerfed when teams like this exists.
He got caught with his pants down and unfortunately they took advantage of it.
But as far as Bullying, killers bully solo teams as well. This just shows only one extreme.
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Since you decided to delete your comment saying I must "only have 500 hours", no, I don't have only "500 hours" just because I don't agree with you.
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Well, yes, that is why I said: they need to get lucky on target selection. Either: A) be so much better at mindgaming and looping that the raw speed difference doesn't matter because you need to bloodlust the hit out, then they swap out for someone else and heal it etc.; or B) be a perfectly coordinated team with no other goal than to do locker flashlight saves or head on and run loops as long as possible on top of that... then skedaddle as soon as the batteries run low.
"You are not mechanically trapped in the game" does not mean "you have a chance of victory". Being at 1 gen and 0 hooks with a gen in each corner of the map is clearly a state where the survivors could go do gens and escape at any time (which they eventually do, both in this game and my experience). So, why aren't they doing it? They can win. The aim is to win and escape, right? So why aren't they escaping? Why are they insisting on jumping into lockers so their buddies can flashlight stun and repeat, or they can whack you with head-on, or just standing doing nada whilst someone runs the Killer for two minutes?
What part of "not doing any objectives for ten minutes when it would take at most 80s to do one and escape" is viewable as anything other than messing with the other player?
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Lol at hyper analyzing the killer's mistakes when one side isn't playing to win but purely playing to make the other person feel like #########.
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I mean, do I have a chance of victory when I'm in a 2v1 when 2 of my team mates dced at 5 gens? No. Is this bullying? No.
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i didnt deleted it, i was editing it, and when sending it just disappeared dont know how, i know it sounds strange, but i believed that you deleted the comment i was replying lol
oh look, the comment is up there :\
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I’m sorry but you seem to be missing the whole point of this argument
I never said the survivors in that game were using stretch res. I was simply making a case against your “no one was banned so it’s not an exploit” argument
I was saying that if the developers are not going to ban anyone who uses stretch res even though there’s countless videos online showing just how much it gives people an advantage and is clearly cheating, then they’re certainly not going to ban anyone abusing these locker mechanics which are lesser exploits, but exploits none the less
It just seems like the devs let people get away with murder on this game. Unless you’re playing killer ironically
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No. I'm well aware that people who hack a lot of the times dont get banned. But saying what these survivors were doing is "exploiting" is a reach. None of what they did was an exploit. Annoying? Maybe. Exploit? No.
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It would be if they slugged your buddy and body blocked you in a corner, though.
Stop selectively responding to my posts and taking them in isolation. It's not that complicated; if a team can obviously win but deliberately won't achieve their winning condition, only letting the game end when they're bored of it (or were relying on an exhaustible resource), then their goal is not to win and escape. If it was, the game would have ended as soon as that was possible, and everyone would have taken their BP and moved on.
Now, playing a hopeless game isn't fun, and we should all be aware that this isn't fun--but, at least, equally aware that it should therefore end quick, and we can move on. This leaves three options:
1) they're trying to do a tome challenge. Okay, and they should then finish the challenge and move on, right?
2) they have all the empathy and awareness of a carved footstool, and do not realise that the other side of this game is not, in fact, having fun with an unnecessary extra ten minutes of total failure.
3) they're out to make sure the other side of this game isn't having fun. Therefore, bullying.
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Otz actually said the exact opposite this year, lol. And did a video to prove it.
4k with each Killer back-to-back | Dead by Daylight - YouTube
I will say this, these forums are Killer-sided and need a nerf! 44 upvotes for your statement.
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in the long run survivor beats killer! I main killer and it will stay that way (i also play survivor and really good with survivor, i just main killer) because i will never main survivor. I dont play swf and if i do its without coms 100% of the time, therefore im dying from playing well because of my team most of the time or i play well or the team is so terrible that i get one hooked at the end. I tried using my Deliverance survivor to counter this issue but alas if your the very last survivor Deliverance deactivates because end game takes priority..
Sadly killer will keep getting nerfed and survivors will continue getting buffed because the devs want it that way. Too bad they cant or rather wont balance it more. Bad maps, swf with coms (although rarer they do pop up) Adrenaline, BT's, Unbreakables, Dead Hard's to get to the safe spot in the loop! lol Its crazy how hard it is for killer!
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Yes, those Forums here are killer-sided.
What people also tend to forget - even if the Streamer in the video of the OP lost this game, he wins most of the games. Losing is pretty rare for him.
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I'm still trying to work out what that has to do with finding the full half of the game where the survivors could have done a gen and left at any time but were deliberately doing locker shenanigans, flashlights through cracks, and the usual bodyblocks/drawn out looping to free someone instead to be an example of extreme jerk behaviour, myself.
And there are some people who tank their MMR and go into SWF so they can do this easier. It's not like this is a secret or unknown behaviour.
It doesn't help you win. It doesn't advance your objective even incrementally. It's something a team can only do once they've already secured the win. It should be an obvious thing to criticise, yeah? People drawing a game they've already won out for no other reason than they can and the other side doesn't like it? That's why downed survivors bleed out, after all.
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I just did the archive challanges and that's it. I either play for memes or as a survivor now and I'm not coming back to killer until they remove hit validation. Which means I am most likely going to spend time on something else, cause survivor is boring.
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Literally. There was a thread some days ago where Otz said Killer isnt as bad as everyone says and all the same people on here were like "we shouldnt balance the game because of what streamers say" and whatever.
Streamers opinions only matter when they fit their "survivor bad killer good" narrative.
Here's the thread: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/298720/otzdarva-is-proving-you-that-the-game-is-not-survivor-sided
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You hear that killer players, just quit your job and play Dead by Daylight for 8,000 hours and you won't get bullied!
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