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Turn off the DC penalty, until you do something about the hackers.
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There is a lot of hackers in this game. Everyday someone on yt posts video with hackers in their matches. Now Imagine how many people must encounter them without recording.
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The point being you would NOT HAVE MATCHES.
Unless you were losing, the other side (be it Killer or Survivor) would just leave. And I don't care if you prefer an unplayable game. The more sane player base does not.
Again; you are not finding hackers every match. If it happens; afk and make a cup of tea or read a book. Wait them out. Record what's going on and submit it to BHVR so they can be banned.
The majority of the player base refuses to have unplayable matches just so people can get away from the handful of cheaters.
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I've encountered 3 (CONFIRMED) hackers.
I've encountered HUNDREDS of DC'ers while the penalty was ON.
I'm not sure what you're not understanding here.
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I've been seeing multiple hackers a day. If I dc on all of them, RIP the only 5 minutes penalty I guess.
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You realize that you cant queue in those 5 minutes right? So you aren't waiting for another game.
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Sorry, if the Survivors hide for 25 minutes that's literally taking the game hostage, iirc.
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They cannot be banned from game. Their support team are resolving the problem with a long period of time, besides there is a program that allows them to change IP of their hardware, meaning that EAC cannot ban them again if they'll play with different account. Someone again must record and submit them to support team. And the process begins all again in circle.
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Very hard to prove it, what are we going to do, submit a 25 minute video of their absence? BHVR doesn't even address more readily proven bad eggs. Which is why I have to sit on the other side of the fence of this topic from you.
My only solace is I do NOT DC and let them get away with it. I get them. Every goddamned time.
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It isnt taking the game hostage since it can still end. You can still try to find them
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Banning cheaters is always an arms race that never ends. I don't know what to tell you; no game has ever successfully permanently stopped cheaters. It's literally impossible, since human beings code the games and human beings code the cheats.
When one man builds a wall; another will tear it down.
So, while BHVR can ban cheaters and block CURRENT anti-cheats; cheaters will just make more. That's how it works.
And I'm not having an unplayable game just because you think that's better due to the 1 in 100 games where you find a legit cheater.
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Sorry, but you are wrong:
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And I'm not gonna have unplayable matches, because of the hackers.
The amount of them from a few months is already tremendous.
Thanks to people like with your thinking, we'll have more hackers in the games, because they're afraid of taking an action against them :)
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My way of thinking? And what's my way of thinking? Are you implying I'm for hacking, simply because you lack any valid argument as to why the game should be made unplayable?
Or do you think 'my way of thinking' is that hacking is a never ending battle? Because that's not 'my way of thinking'; that's REALITY.
Should the devs ban them? Yes.
Will there come a day when cheaters can't cheat? Probably not in our lifetime. Games are code, and cheaters deconstruct that code to find vulnerabilities to cheat through.
But don't you ever imply 'my way of thinking' is supporting hackers, because that's the dumbest strawman I've ever seen.
Face it; You're wrong. Everyone being allowed to DC to make you happy would ruin the game. Deal with it.
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Using strawmen doesn't help you.
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I'm not wrong though
I'm starting to think that you're really protecting the hackers.
Being held hostage is worse than DC from the game.
the hackers are already ruining the game, not players that are disconnecting.
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Oh wow, another person that is protecting the hackers, how nice
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Ok, now you're just attacking people who don't agree with your BS take.
Sorry; you're wrong. Hackers are not so common that the game should be ruined by DCers. Suck it up, buttercup, because you ain't getting your way.
Oh: And don't EVER say I protect cheaters. Cheaters are sacks of crap who ruin games. Same with DCers.
You being wrong and unable to cope does not make me pro-cheating. Now, you can be a man and stop accusing everyone who disagrees with your BS strawman crap. Or you can continue to baby-rage at people who pointed out the flaws in your posts.
Which is it going to be?
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You were the first that was passively attacking me for having a different opinion lol
I'm done with you, because it's like talking to a wall
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Going from strawmen to ad hom. What a wonderful person you are.
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Posting counter-arguments and pointing out the flaws in your little DC idea is not 'attacking' you, buttercup. It's called 'a discussion'. Well, up until you started accusing everyone smarter than you as being pro-cheating.
I'm done with you, because it's like talking to a wall
Said the person unable to accept literally every post that proved you wrong. Tah. 😘
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I can guarantee that removing dc penalty won't solve hacker issue, and it will actually ruin the game. It will be almost impossible to have a normal match. Even now when I'm playing as a Plague, people dc because gens are stinky. Without dc penalty dbd will become a singleplayer game for me, and any other decent killer player
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Nope, every post maded here proved me right 😘
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I'm pretty sure there was a discussion on whether or not Survivors could take the game hostage by hiding a few months ago.
I seem to recall someone from BHVR popping in to say it's murky but there's a point where it's beyond a reasonable game or something like that.
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It is bannable potentially, but requires a video report. It is a reviewed case-by-case basis.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2750877/#Comment_2750877
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Clearly, whatever they were doing wasn't working.
I was averaging around 1-2 (depending on the day) obvious cheaters a night. That's not accounting for non-obvious cheaters either.
Just because the battle against cheaters is a neverending one doesn't mean BHVR's current response is acceptable.
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Oh, I never said they should not try harder.
OP was implying, over numerous posts, that DCing should be allowed until cheaters are stopped all together. That's basically not possible.
Cheaters will always cheat. When banned; they buy new accounts, buy a new cheat (if they don't make & sell them, themselves), and cheat again. It's a never-ending arms race. OP thinking the game should be ruined by DCers so they can DC the 1 in 50 games they find one is childish and overblown.
It's very much a 'I want this for ME, and everyone ruined by DCers can deal.' attitude. Made moreso by the strawmen arguments and ad hominem attacks when they ran out of excuses in the face of logic.
Should BHVR ban cheaters? Yes. Always.
Should the game be ruined by free DCs while they do so? Hell no!
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There must be a middle ground.
Cheaters are much more common than you are making them out to be. I saw them frequently, though I'm not sure why the numbers vary so much.
When I was on the Xbox One X I encountered a cheater with my Crossplay switched off. The cheating Survivor crashed my Xbox by dropping a metric assload of fireworks on my screen. I eat a DC penalty for that.
More recently, on my Series X, I encountered a Dwight who flew around the map and held my game hostage by sticking around after the EGC had ended. He endee up holding me hostage for 2-8 hours (i left to go to a party on New Year's Eve and he stuck around in-game).
There must be a middle ground. There needs to be some system that allows players to DC without penalty if someone is holding them hostage or if they are forced to quit. Remember, hackers can nab your IP from DBD too and forcibly disconnect you.
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I rather like the idea that, if a match goes on for 20+ minutes; people can DC and keep their BP, with some caveats:
- If it's Survivors DCing; the Killer gets credit for all remaining hooks & sacrifices.
- If it's the Killer DCing; Survivors get credit for remaining gens, gate opening, and exiting.
In this way; Hackers can hold a game hostage, but the people being forced to eat the DC are not punished in the slightest.
And, if it were my game (depending on how easy this would be to implement):
If a match goes on for 15+ minutes (time can vary; don't let the public know what the time limit is); A recording would be sent to support & flagged for review, complete with every player's account info. Encrypted, of course. In this way, cheaters holding a game hostage are literally flagging themselves for review & eventual banning.
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I think that's a fine idea, I'm just not sure if they could implement something so complex.
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Yeah. The engine would have to be optimized to run well while recording a game on-server. Then, if it was over the the <x> time limit, it would have to collect player's data, wrap it all up, and send it to support.
All without bogging down the servers.
Not sure it's possible, but it's a fix.
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I don't think removing the DC penalty is a good idea.
Better to be able to access the report system by pressing Escape key, so you don't have to wait til the end of match to do it. This way more hackers can get reported.
Most people would take the 5 mins hit because they don't care about reporting a hacker holding the game hostage. They just want the hostage experience to end.
If people think hackers are so rare, I had two different survivors instaheal in front of me in the space of half an hour tonight.
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Just add surrender after whatever minutes, that way there will be no more clicky clicky SWF bullying too.
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Ok. Don't spend 5 minutes in a dc penalty. Instead, spend half an hour in a hacked matched. Perfect logic my dude
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All we can do in this situation is unfortunately stop playing until its fixed or the game is properly patched. I am sure this is their #1 priority but its removed a lot of the fun and casts a lingering shadow over the game. At some point tho they need to talk with other companies about their anticheat prevention and maybe get some suggestions as what they have now clearly doesnt work and will only increase as more players feel brazen in their cheats.
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I disagree with their opinion. That's like saying if you're going a against an impossible skill check doctor and you 3 gend is keeping the game hostage, it's not since you can still end it.
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Nope, that falls under taking the game hostage.
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You can be DDoSed in this game and be booted out of a game and be penalized for it because the game thinks you just quit. This game is broken beyond repair and hemorrhaging players on Steam, thank God people are quitting the game over this issue.
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here another reason this happen on ps4 too specs got nothing to do about it.
also DC penalty is on people still kill them self on first hook (which I'm sure there never be a penalty for)which by passes the penalty altogether.
people who like DC penalty just want people to stay in the game to be meat shield because that person is getting tunneled or camped or maybe both it not them so they can easily work on gens so they don't care(but the person this is happen too can kill them self on 1st or 2nd hook so what did the DC penalty do? nothing!
so who gets hurt the most with the DC penalty? the Killers either they want out of a bad bully match(killer can't kill them self like survivors can) or the hackers mess up the game where it may never end.
there should be a surrender for killers after time in the match pasts like 15 to 25 mins I don't know but I still say DC penalty not working how the game is right now which is a mess.
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It doesn’t matter if you agree or disagree. They’re the devs. 3-genning is not holding the game hostage because that is literally a strategy for the killer’s job. They are there to prevent your escape.
Defending gens from completion is part of that goal. Refusing to work on generators is not part of a survivor’s goal. They are expected to work on generators regardless. It does not matter if it’s a super strong 3-gen set up. You are expected to still participate in normal gameplay. If you’re not going to do that, then give yourself up and die.
Furthermore, it is not even remotely realistic for the killer to be able to find everyone hiding if they straight up completely refuse to play and swap between lockers to avoid AFK crows. ESPECIALLY so on larger maps. That is why devs rule it is a hostage situation. The killer cannot realistically find the survivors and end the game, nor can they start the Endgame Collapse if more than one person is still in the trial and the exit gates are not powered yet. The survivors can go and work on the generators, or die doing so, which progresses the game. The killer cannot realistically force survivors to do that if they refuse to play.
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I want to know what game OP is playing where they have an enjoyable experience when everyone DC's the instant things go wrong. What sort of game is that?
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this is with the dc penalty on, so what did it really do? NOTHING!!!!
btw it was 5 gen all I did was down someone with my birds I didn't get to hook anyone and I let the last survivor go.
anyways the dc penalty does nothing.
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Rofl. BS on that 'nothing'.
I've been around before a DC penalty. I've been around whenever the DC penalty is turned off.
Whenever it's off; Survivors DC like that EVERY MATCH. You pointing to 1 screenshot to 'prove' it does not work shows you have 0 clue what you're talking about.
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I've also been around before a DC penalty and when it turned off too. what I'm saying is DC penalty on or off don't matter people who dc more when it off are the ones who just kill them self on first or second hook i'm pretty sure,it's why for some feel like the DC penalty working.
people who dc like this on my screenshot may have more the 1 acc for the game and they don't care.
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The point being that the DC penalty DOES work, because DCs are more than halved when it's on. (Source: I can actually play for a day or 3 before getting a DC, when it's on).
And people 'DCing on hook' are still giving the Killer BP and score events. Does it suck for their teammates? Yeah, it does. But in a game that removes you from the match when you lose; you're literally NOT going to be able to dissuade people who want to bail. They will just lose as fast as possible. 🤷♂️ You can't make them not lose when they want to lose so they can leave.
And as for OP demanding the DC penalty be removed until hackers can be taken care of:
- No. We've already pointed out the DC penalty does more good than harm.
- You can never 'take care of' all the hackers in a game. You ban them? They get new accounts. You block the hacks? They make, or buy, new ones.
Does that mean we don't remove them & block the hacks? No, not at all. But people have to realize it's literally impossible to permanently block cheating in an online game. As long as the game needs to call data from your PC, people will find ways to alter that data. And since the game is not a thinking being, it can't realize when that data is being altered.
Sure; you can TRY to put redundancies in place, but that only works as well as the developer's foresight and the cheater's ability to code around it.
Put code in place to insta-ban Survivors that move over a certain speed? What happens if you then make a perk that gives you +200% speed for 2 seconds? Now people are being banned for using your perk! Remove that restriction? Now cheaters can move at 190% speed without being caught!
So the DC penalty should NOT be removed because
- It makes the game worse and
- Cheaters will never permanently be 'taken care of'.
But BHVR could do better to remove them, I'll admit. Though I think they said something was coming down the pipeline.
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IMO the people who claim they want DC penalty removed due to hackers just want it removed so they can DC freely when they get downed early or face a killer above C tier, and are using the "hacker excuse" to try and logically justify letting them do that.
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Pretty sure it is considered hostage holding if they just hide and refuse to progress the game for a large length of time.
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I'm so tired of these same statements over and over again in this. I clearly said that I want DC penalty to be temporary removed until devs will add a tools or improve anti-cheat system in order to handle against hackers. Can you guys read first before you make any false statement?
DC penalty system shouldn't even be added before recognising the problem in why people want to DC in first place?
Not only punishes people that are getting randomly crashes, but also gives an extreme high advantage for hackers over players by promoting taking up an in-game hostage.
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Well, making the game completely unplayable for everyone is certainly one way to deal with the hacking epidemic.
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And you think it's enjoyable for me to play against hackers and getting hostage just because I'm skillful?
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On the balance of probabilities, more of the time you spend in the game, yes.
Most people DC because they ragequit.
Your inability to recognise what literally everyone else has said on that matter and insist that hacking is way more common than sore losers isn't going to change any minds. You're just wrong, here. The DC penalty is necessary so that people can't just chain DC's five games in a row until they get one that they win easy. The fact that DC's are common and can be bad now is a pretty good idea of exactly how bad it would be when it's penalty free.
Number of hackers I come across: few to none. Number of DC's: one every few games, at least. Yeah, I think I'll take my chances of having to have a DC penalty because of a hacker taking the game hostage. Or go watch a video or something.
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