Nerf the crutch survivor perks, and watch the survivors escape rate take a nosedive.
Nerf dead hard.
Nerf COH.
NERF UNBREAKABLE.
WATCH SURVIVORS STOP CLICKING AND THINKING THAT THEY ARE SO GOOD AT THE GAME.
WATCH SURVIVORS STOP TRYING TO BULLY KILLERS.
WATCH SURVIVORS CRY.
And I'm all for it.
This game has been survivor sided for far too long. I think it's time the tables turn. 😘
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Amen brother amen. So many survivors hard carried by Iron Will and Dead Hard
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Have you tried playing better?
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Survivors can literally still bully killers while perkless I don't know what to tell you.
Maps are a bigger issue than perks ever will be, with the exception of maybe Circle of Healing pushing any killer that doesn't commit to chases from "bad but you can kinda play them" to "literally unwinnable with this perk".
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The overall tone of this thread portrays a sort of vengeful anger. Have your previous games gone rather suboptimally for you?
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I don't mind unbreakable, but Dead Hard, Circle of Healing and DS make survivors basically equivalent to an A tier killer. It's so dumb in a horror game, the victims are more powerful than the scary killers.
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I think DH and COH are the only two problems you mentioned.
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Nerf or remove?
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You want survivors to spawn on hooks? They already almost never escape. The killer meta is what needs a nerf. Make the game fair again.
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Someone's had a bad game or two. Maybe 50 judging by your tone.
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i have better stuff than perks anyway
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You and OP are a match made in heaven.
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Bad day?
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well yeah if the meta gets nerfed the escape rate will take a nosedive because then the game will be praying to god you face a bad killer
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COH and Dead Hard have no effective counterplay.
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You cannot be serious lol
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What you said is pretty untrue.
While yes, they can still bully killers perkless, guess what? They can't do it effectively lol. Unless they are playing against a bad killer, bullying without running crutches is kinda impossible.
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Well something needs to happen, the game is extremely survivor sided right now and it's not even funny.
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A good portion of survivors that rely on those perk are stuck in a gameplay loop; they use the perks because they play recklessly and play recklessly because they use those perks.
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Well survivors were doing fine without CoH, and if they nerf DH they will swap to SB which is probably worse
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R/selfawarewolves
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Eh. I prefer playing against Sprint Burst, and I am not even a Dead Hard Hater. But like, the skill gap is larger for sprint burst and survivor mains are sus. I would take my chances.
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Agree.
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do you know how they should be nerfed?
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SB isn't a problem. Mind breaker/Fearmonger counters it.
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Nerfing the meta is gonna make things worse for survivors, there’s a reason why it’s still popular.
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YOu do realize escape rates taking a nose dive would lead to killer nerfs, right?
If the kill rate hovers around 50% with these perks, what do you think it would be without them?
So, in theory, it survivors have so many second chances, and viable tactics and still die at a 50% rate, killers are actually doing ok.
Shit, I average 2ks a game as Trapper, what is your average kill rate?
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It's true that especially at higher level gameplay they heavily rely on Dead Hard and DS. Boons are strong but i think with current "chase" meta (either 1-shot or just chase and hook, hit&run is dead), Dead hard is the one perk which is the crutch. Boons can be gamechanging but with dead hard expanding nearly every chase nowadays, they should finally nerf it.
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I actually agree. Atleast you can disable COH, DH had no actual counterplay besides "baiting it out..."
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Noed killer for sure
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With survivors having those perks, 90% of the killers already have more than 50% killrate... so you want even more nerfs for survivor? why is it so hard for killer mains to understand that second chance perks are needed for survivor since they can actually die at the start of the game. Killers dont need it BECAUSE THEY CANT DIE...
If survivors are able to kill the killer in the first 3 minutes by "tactics" like camping and tunneling which you cant do anything about, then you would also want some extra perks to stay in the game. At least try to look through the eyes of survivor ones in a while when you play. Not every survivor wants the killer to have a bad day, some people like to play a GAME and have some FUN....
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I actually don't use noed, and I think it should be nerfed. Nice try though 👍
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I don't know how DS dodged the bullet.
You may need a break from this game.
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DS is fine.
Also the game is extremely survivor sided, however I wont argue with you over it.
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Nerf unbreakable and DS, keep dead hard and other exhaustion perks
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Deaf hard gotta get nerfed man I'm sorry.
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As a killer main it is not a problem. it's easily baited out and half the time kills the survivor instead of helping them. it's only OP in niche scenarios when they use it to make it to a pallet or window they otherwise wouldn't have gotten
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Sure
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how about a survivor is incapacitated for X seconds after using dead hard?
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If it stopped them from vaulting I would be perfectly fine with it.
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That's exactly what I was thinking
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I don't get your problem with unbreakable.
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The thing is, the kill rate is what it is because now killers mostly need to tunnel and camp. It's really not healthy for the game.
Not having to eat a DH after eating pallets in the Game or some other busted map would reduce the time pressure.
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Only against average survivors.
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It can completely turn matches around in a negative way. However I mostly have no issue with the perk.
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Hmm, i run none of these perks, can you explain how a nerf of them will affect my survival rate?
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You know what's even more broken. Like how survivors can escape from the hook at all. They should just bleed out after the first hook. Then survivors would really be scared.
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You've made quite the statement there and you just state is as fact. What evidence can you offer me to show me that this game heavily favors survivors. Is there some streamer out there escaping with 2 or more survivors 100 matches in a row in soloQ? In competitive matches are survivors beating Nurse and Blight with generators to spare? Are killers getting 0 kills even when resorting to face camping with one shot down powers?
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Gen speeds, spawns, perks, hatch, second chances, weak killers, SWF, maps, etc.
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