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Something feels 'off' about this community, what is it?
Hello all,
I am a new player to DBD. I have about 250 hours in now. About 50 as survivor 200 as killer.
There are 27 killers in this game. I know 2-3 of them well enough to hold my own against a good SWF. Unlike survivors, which all play the same and have access to the same perks -- they just look different -- each killer has a unique power that makes them play separately. Knowing mind-games and basic game knowledge is great, but you can only get so far if you haven't begun to get really good with a killer's power.
That means if I want to play 1 of the 24 other killers that I don't know that well, I know:
1) I'm going to get trashed, both in-game and verbally
2) Teabagging will occur at nearly every opportunity
2a) Flashlight click spamming will be a sure thing
3) Survivors will be very aggressive and body block with 2 healthy survivors while I'm carrying because I can't apply enough map pressure to make it back and forth between their CoH and gens
3a) Survivors will be very eager to flashlight save / sabotage hooks because my gen / healing pressure is low and they'll have a healthy available body to do it
3b) 2-3 surviors will bomb the hook because they feel aggressive and cocky since I'm playing a killer I'm not good with, then wish a horrible death upon me because I don't walk past the 3 surrounding gens when both the healthy survivors are in visual sight.
Things like this are 'ok', they are part of the game. But it takes a mental toll; it definitely isn't fun. It feels like bullying.
4) There will be quick-vault notification spam, especially end of game
5) Those that go to the gates will wait there until I visually see them before they leave
6) One person will go to the hatch and wait there until they are sure that I see them and then they will go in the hatch
7) End-game chat will be about how I'm trash and how I should kill myself, get cancer, and uninstall. In the rare instances where I snowball and win with an off-killer, the end-game chat will be the same.
And its incredibly frequent. Yes, some people gg me back. But most of the time? Trash uninstall baby killer ez game ez life
There is no excuse for treating another human being like this and I am curious why it is so prevalent in this culture... does anyone know?
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The problem is, ultimately; it is a cesspool of humanity, who only look to serve their needs.
The general outlook of this game’s community, anectdotally, is very zero sum.
They believe that one parties gains are directly balanced by the other parties losses. Which, in retrospect, sounds fitting for game design & the versus nature of the game.
There is no excuse for treating another human being like this and I am curious why it is so prevalent in this culture... does anyone know?
However, this leads to a growing hostility between both sides, & thanks to a phenomenon known as deindividualization, people will jump to aggression before you can say hello.
It’s the reason why sports fans riot, or just in general— the disconnect from accountability due to anonymity, in this case, the anonymity the internet provides results in that normally socially unacceptable behavior that is so frequent in this game’s community.
The problem with the game’s balance is also inherently tied to the feedback the community provides. While some criticism of the balancing is valid, majority of “criticism” is just insult bashing, & if it is, it lacks expanded thinking.
This makes identifying actual feedback much more difficult. It is easier to pick apart the statement, “I don’t like [x] killer because [x part of their kit].”, versus the usual DBD player response calling for nerfs or buffs without explanation of the rationale.
And, in all fairness, I’ve been one of those people. I used to be, but now I try not to be.
But the community can be quite friendly. I hope you have a better time in the fog, because I have met wonderful people through this game. I hope you do the same.
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New to pvp games?
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Am I new to pvp games?
No, I'm 33 years old, I've been playing video games for about 20 years, most of which is pvp.
I have never seen a community as horrible as this one in those two decades.
being a 'pvp' game is no excuse for the frequency and severity of the statements made.
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It is not an excuse but toxicity is a common theme in pvp games in my experience.
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Thank you for your input.
If I may ask -- what is up with the obsession with having the killer see you before you leave?
For instance, why do survivors wait 3-5 minutes at the exit gates doing nothing (not like anyone is on hook, no healing to be done) -- just to make sure I see them leave?
What is so important about me watching them leave that every end-game needs to be like this? Is it some twisted kind of need for validation?
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Also worth pointing out in the majority of PVP games these days players have ways to many express themselves
Stuff like voice chat, quick chats, emotes, character voicelines and so on. Clicking, Tbagging and nodding is all we have in DBD really
Not justifying it, but I imagine that's a small part of it
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Ok, well in my experience, having the other team tell me they hope I die of cancer in over half of my games is not normal.
Trash talk? Sure, very common. The absolute vitriolic hate of this community? No, not common.
And it shouldn't be normalized or rationalized or explained away as 'normal for pvp' -- it isn't.
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They do have a way to express themselves, end-game chat.
For instance, I play Company of Heroes 2 and Starcraft 2 every day.
Each match begins with: gl hf
each match ends with: gg
Something about this community is special -- and not in a good way. If you feel a constant need through character movements to express your hate for someone playing a video game trying to have fun, something is wrong with you.
I fear this community is... not right upstairs.
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The stuff ppl do in the game itself isn't always about hatred tho. End game chat yeah there's way too much vitrihol sometimes
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Ahh ok, maybe I just don't fully understand.
If someone sits on hatch for 3 minutes waiting for me to find them -- only to teabag over and over again as soon as I see them -- what message are they trying to send?
I thought it was an 'F you' but I may have misinterpreted it.
What is it?
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Honestly it's hard to know sometimes, from your example it's probably more likely just them being smug about getting the hatch and trying to rub it in (Which tbh is laughable because it's pure luck)
Generally people see this stuff as BM but not necessarily hateful if that makes sense. Others try to justify it as a way of 'tilting' the other side into making mistakes and playing poorly. I don't know if you've ever played a game like Rocket League for example, people use the quickchat system in that game for a similar purpose (They spam "nice save!" after every goal for example)
I don't do it myself and I think it's crappy but it's not just about specifically 'hate' is my point.
Sometimes I like to point at the killer if I pull off a risky play or something I shouldn't have got away with, not out of hatred but as a means of going like "nice try". Contrary wise if I end up downed and they do smth like shake their head at me or w/e it's fair game.
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Brokenbones,
Thank you for your reply! I would agree with you its hard to know -- if after teabagging on hatch for 3 minutes they didn't tell me to kill myself and uninstall in end-game chat.
To be blunt, its immature and childish behavior. And there's no point in tilting your opponent once the game has already been decided. At that points its just called 'being a douche'.
I get the celebrating a good play -- I don't mind that -- if a player out plays me I'll give them props myself. But I'm not talking about that, I'm not talking about a player who points once after a sick loop... I'm talking about 'teabag at every chance you get' type players.
I do play rocket league -- and the chat spam doesn't bother me -- because its simple chat spam. I've never had anyone in rocket league ever tell me to uninstall, kill myself, and have my mother spread my ashes over a garbage dumb while their 3 friends laugh.
If the players were just teabagging, that'd be one thing, its the teabagging in conjunction with the "hang yourself noob trash" that is where it crosses the line (imho).
The survivor community just seems vile, like a nasty, hateful group of people.
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