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Tired, I'm tired to be tunneled off hook and camped
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Yeah, when normal people will leave that game. Cuz im about to do that as well, not worth my time lmao
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I understand, but I should experience that every bloody game??? Why???
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Window of opportunity and an intelligent use of resources on the map can help make you a less attractive target for tunneling.
Definitely the best counter for tunneling is to show to the killer early that you are not worth it. Of course this might result in someone else being tunneled and if your team is very bad you might end as the last standing, but at least you get to play the game.
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The only funny thing here is your teams (or quite possibly your) inability to get good.
I'll assume that your team gets tunneled and camped every game. Why would that happen?
Tunneling and camping are efficient playstyles only when there is a weak link in the team. Removing that weak link quickly leads to snowballs which then lead to a Killer win.
Since either one of your teammates or you is getting tunneled, that means there's a weak link the Killer can abuse and lead them to a swift victory.
This is just a git gud issue
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Because this is the game that dbd became right now... I can do a valid example in my 2 latest matches: 1st match did as a huntress, didn't camped nor tunneled, did GREAT shots from afar and played generally well but I barely did 4 hooks, which became 8/9 in the endgame collapse cause they refused to leave one of their mates to die (1/4),match was obviously unfun for both sides despite everyone got a fair amount of points (mainly due to the saves in the endgame) because for me It was literally impossible being on 4 places at time and stopping survivors from doing gens. The 2nd since I had the challenge to kill my obsession I took bubba, caught the 1st survivor, 1 gen already popped, put her on the hook and another gen was done, with a 3rd in the hook proximities to being repaired completely. Since the previous match was unfun and started in the same way and I saw that they were proxycamping the hook instead of doing gens, I opted for a pragmatic (and unfun) gameplay: proxy camp my obsession, slug whoever wanted to do the save and keep tunneling... They did all the gens anyway, but this time I did a 4/4 due to the fact that I dispose of a player once the 3rd gen popped... It's sad being forced to use those kind of tactics but this is how dbd is right now (another reason why I'm slowly moving to other games)
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Oh, OK, by trying to insult me u just actually prove that dbd comunity is toxic. So yeah, I can be really good at loops but still die to camper
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Another thing, I got also tunneled cuz of ttv lmao
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If you're team is good (or the Killer isn't a Bubba), you shouldn't die to a camper, but since you apparently are, your team must be bad
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I can name one if you play killer you won't be tunneled
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I´m sorry, but the only way to guarantee you, that you won´t get tunneled off hook, would be to play killer yourself.
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For the thousandth time, an in game strategy isn’t toxic. It’s almost like toxic doesn’t have a set definition anymore.
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Exactly that
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this
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So after game chat "EZ" is not toxic, OK xD
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But that is pointless
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Huh?
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It's the most weak attempt to defend camping by completely mutilating my point.
3 gens doesn't pop in 90 seconds if killer play with skill.
But yeah, your sentence can be saved with some adjustments: point is no matter how bad killer do camping/tunneling, good teams will pop gens anyway.
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Bubba game for every killer
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3 gens usually pop in the first 90 seconds in my survivor matches...
Killer usually doesn´t has the time to cross the whole map and get 2 hits against decent survivors, while the other 3 sit on gens.
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What you might forget is that as a soloq survivor nowadays, you'll face this BS of a "strat" multiple times, often games in a row. You're not the only killer that resorts to such petty strategies.
I've once had this happen 4 games in a row, of getting hard-tunneled to death on 4/5 gens. With the killers just eyeballing other survivors and still going for me. Eating the DS and afterwards still hard-tunneling. At that point IDGAF about any excuses about it being a strat, I'm just done.
I play killer and I know it really isn't that hard to not hard-tunnel and still get kills. Enough with the BS excuses.
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I don’t disagree with you. I personally don’t tunnel when there’s 5 or 4 gens left as I think that’s a bit cheesy but when it comes a time where I have to tunnel to create pressure and there’s a good opportunity for it then I’m sorry to the victim but I’m just playing the game the way it’s meant to be.
I think saying tunneling is toxic is just silly, just like how killers saying gen rushing is toxic. Neither make sense because that’s not what toxic is supposed to mean.
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^^ THIS. It just sucks getting campers in a row. I've had multiple. T.T
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What is the excuse here, killer complete their objectives? Move on to the next game just like 3 gens flying in killer face in one minute. Who gives a damn about tunneling or not when the god damn map space is like 5 km with walking speed of 4m average.
You have 3 peoples yes, this is team game, yes. Then your team suck that they cannot save you.
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It is always someone elses fault.
Community in the nutshell.
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Responses like yours give me hope that there are still fun and decent people on the forums. That being said, I understand your point. I don't mind killers that resort to these strats at 2/3 gens, my problem is with the ones that do it from the start.
I don't think it's toxic, it's just not fun to deal with after a while.
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I can definitely respect that.
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Don't worry... just know this:
If a killer has to camp and tunnel to win. You know that they used the cheapest most convenient 'strat' of getting you out of the game. As there is 0 skill involved with enforcing pressure on a hooked person.
As someone who plays both sides. It is very clear when you can camp/tunnel someone out. Because I also play survivor too, there are times when I would rather have fun in my chases and maybe get a 3k instead of a 4k. So I opt for fun instead of boring standing by the hook.
Until the devs actually realize how easy and convenient this strat is, there is nothing you can do. People will cling on to the fact that it is an allowed playstyle, and bring in their own excuses for doing it, and that's fine. This playstyle however, also has a bad reputation too and that is coming from some of us who play that role too.
Try out swf groups where teammates are more reliable. Sometimes campers/tunnelers rely too much on tunneling, that they forget what skill means, so you have a better chance at escaping by out-playing them while working with a reliable team.
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Because what you are describing isn't inherently toxic.
In fact removing an opponent early in an elimination based game is often the best move you can make.
Add to that the pay off for defending a hook (AKA camping) often outweighs the pay off for chasing multiple survivors and you have a recipe for optimal gameplay that often involves these twin elements of camping and tunneling off hook.
I'd hate to say it but the only "toxic" element to this is how much people upset themselves over it.
People really take being camped and tunneled personally but the truth is neither are some personal attack on your fun.
There are plenty of obnoxious plays on killer and survivor side and I'm not a fan of a lot of it, but in truth most of it is not toxic. Often its just efficient. People take this efficiency to heart though as efficient in DBD often means denial of objective or participation which is rather zero sum.
Non-participation and elimination a core aspects of DBD its the practical outcome of game mechanics, thematically you are trying to escape from capture and death which is represented in game by denial of participation (capture i.e. hooking/slugging) or elimination (death).
Try going into each DBD game with the expectation that you are probably gonna be caught and eliminated, sometimes really early in game. This is the core concept of DBD and some players are going to utilize it to its maximum but that doesn't make them terrible people out to ruin your fun.
Separate questionable game mechanics from players you'll find that most people are just playing a game within the confines of the mechanics available and that's ok.
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Off the Record is going to remove any excuse to NOT play like this so....get ready for the most smoothbrained monke strats because that's what BHVR is promoting rn
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I feel like this literally doesn't happen to you EVERY game. I play both, I always clarify that. And when I play survivor, I don't get tunneled and camped EVERY game. Face camping is trash, I get it, but it happens from time to time and people want to act like it ALWAYS happens specifically to them, every match, bc they want an easy game every time, and get upset when a game prevents it and they focus on those games only. Killer mains make bogus claims about this kind of stuff too.
The fact that you claim that when you play survivor you always get new players for teammates, and when you play killers its ALWAYS against professionals, pretty much sums up your mindset to me. You're the "why does this always happen to me" type, and will only see your matches as a whole with this filter on. I'd even go so far as to assume you call certain things tunneling that isn't tunneling at all, but cause anything and everything is tunneling to some these days.
They put a bandage on tunneling for this patch, and did NOTHING for camping. Knowing this, at this point, why play if getting camping and tunneled SOMETIMES bothers you? Its not going a way. Which is sad bc they could make face camping not worth it for killers but they won't.
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If your being tunnelled off hook, blame the other Survivors
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Errm what's not fair... not fair; not conforming to approved standards, as of justice, honesty, or ethics: I don't think camping or tunneling break any of those as approved standards are set by bvdr. The issue is your entitled believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. Is more of the case of what's going on.
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BNP's,toolboxes,Perks
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Well it is a game about killers trying to kill people. You could play Tetris. There are no killers in Tetris.
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Please pick any non-nurse killer and give us the timestamps of when you think a normal M1 killer should find the first survivor, hit them, hit them again, pick them up, and put them on a hook. Or if you're gonna throw out some "U jUsT NeEd 2 PresSurE!" give us the timestamps for when you abandon chase and go chase off gens I'd love to see a winning perk combo + instructions for how to play as trapper and not lose 3 gens on the first chase or play ping pong between 2 gens that are at 80%ish in a losing battle.
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You're not going to find an overwhelming amount of people agreeing with you here. While this forum does have it's fair share of mains of both sides, it is generally tilted a bit more towards killer. Honestly, at this point, I feel like some people here are just scared they will lose their easy, skillless way to win when the devs finally wake up and understand how unhealthy camping and tunneling is.
The truth is always somewhere in between though. Because it is true that sometimes, killers simply have no chance at all to win against a really good survivor team if they don't tunnel and camp. Killers like Myers or Trapper have this problem on almost every map. And on maps like Eyrie of Crow, it's generally quite impossible to win without tunneling and camping.
But it is also often quite exaggerated how bad it actually is. If you are good enough with killer, you won't have many matches that are impossible to win without camping and tunneling. They definitely do exist, but I feel like most peopl exaggerate the frequency of these matches. The truth is that it's not uncommon for people to not accept their mistakes, or when they simply have been outplayed. Some people have a hard time admitting such things, but when playing the killer, the only other thing left to blame is the game. They don't have teammates to blame.
The actual fix to this mess is to buff killers in ways that make their fair and skillful gameplay more viable and strong, giving killers almost always a chance to win. And then nerfing camping and tunneling as much as possible until they become very bad strategies. The devs are even doing this partially with the upcoming 6.1.0 update, giving killers a nice amount of buffs that will make their proper gameplay more viable. Whether it's enough or not is too early to tell. But the problem is that the devs stopped halfway towards their destination, and decided to give survivors nothing more than 5 laughable seconds of Endurance and Haste after being unhooked. Hell, camping is even getting buffed indirectly.
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I'm playing killer too and I never had it so easy... even with lvl1 killers with just one perk...
Either I'm really good or people in the forums love to cry about sht
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Dude, are you alright??? What's making you think that way?? No one asking or begging about privileges. Just funny how people putting me somewhere on top off moaning mountain. Damn.
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Hahha, funny joke, I like horror movies so why I should play tetris?? Or you just sharing your own experience???
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Wait, so you trying to say that facecamping hooks, shaking head and EZ after game chat is not toxic?? Or I just missed something?
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I play Tetris whenever I get frustrated with DBD.
I'm soloQ survivor main and I know what you're talking about. At the same time, there isn't always a solution to these issues. Unless ya have an efficient group of survivors.
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It bunch off well better games
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I never said taunting people in endgame chat wasn't toxic, you are adding in wosre behaviour to the list after the fact to justify your point.
re-read what I wrote you did miss something.
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And for the ten thousandth time, survivors are sick and tired of being camped and tunneled into oblivion in this game. I think when you have years of constant complaints of the same 2 things that survivors say ruin their fun and overall enjoyment of the game then I'm pretty sure it might be seen as something toxic to a lot of people. This isn't about what the word toxic means. This is about what the action itself produces which is what you see in the OP of this thread which is just one of many. Survivors are largely powerless to deal with killers who play this way and even more-so in solo que when you have to hope that someone on your team knows what is going on and can somehow do something to get you out of that situation. It doesn't happen often and a lot of attempts just lead to the person that tried being the next person camped and tunneled. Almost every time I come to the forums I see a new post about someone complaining about camping and tunneling. How long do survivors have to keep talking about this before something significant enough is done about it? This "in game strategy" has caused too much frustration to too many people for far too long.
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I think the point is that its nothing to get so pissed off about.
Its an elimination game you will be eliminated early sometimes.
If you got found and hard tunnelled out for 4 games in a row I'd say practice not being found first, that's how I avoid being the player who's potentially eliminated.
Its just gameplay, expecting someone to play by an arbitrary set of rules purely for your enjoyment is ridiculous.
Yes its definitely not necessary to hard tunnel to win games, but it is allowed if you choose to do it.
What's BS to expecting other people to play how you want them to and getting upset when they don't. Children do that.
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Are you telling me someone gets 3 BNPs with engineer toolboxes every single game? Yeah... Im not buying it. I have 2000 hours in this game, around half of my playtime as Killer, I cant recall the last time I faced 3 BNPs or more and Im sure I havent seen that more than a couple of times.
Perks? except Prove Thyself the rest of the gen speed perks dont give much value at the start, either you need to be hurt, people hooked, stay in the TR for some time or the Killer looking at you for an absurd amount of time (Spine Chill flaring for ~5 seconds wont make the gen be finished in 60 seconds).
The whole "3 gens in 60/80 seconds" is a lie told by a lot of people who either have an awful perception of time and dont notice how much real time has passed or by people intentionally lying to demand changes so they can be spoonfed.
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"it's an elimination game" doesn't mean anything it's about fun gameplay, majority of killers are campy now the current meta IS tunneling and camping the first survivor, it's just way too easy and effective for a braindead strat, zero skill needed.
Endgame camping when you can't do anything else is fine but what you see very often is hardcamping early when they're already winning and don't have to, early camp should be nerfed heavily, with all these anti tunnel perks like OTR they ackowledge that tunneling is the opposite of fun but still nothing against camping
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Right now, I just got tunneled out off game when 3 gens need to be done. Love huntress with broken through obstruction hits...
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Is Sadako enough not-nurse killer? I play mosly her from release. If you want instructions, go to youtuble, see some Otzdarva, Dowsy, RedGamingGears (last one always explain everything he do very plainly), etc. But if lack of skill and ego obstructs that, continue throw out some "I HaVe 2 Cump BiCaSe GiN RaSh SeCoNd ChAnCe PuRks NoT FaIr!!!"
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