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Tired, I'm tired to be tunneled off hook and camped
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I never said I was pissed off or truly upset, if you actually read and understood what I'd written, you'd know I said that after too many of those games I'd be done and it's not fun to deal with. Nor did I say I expect anyone to play my way or take the highway, I was talking to TheGannMann and giving them a diff pov. And in return, I got theirs, which was a fun convo.
Considering you're off to assuming things and think you know how my games go, just because I gave an example of recent games, why don't you just go and mind your own business. If I wanted or cared for your advice I'd ask you for it, until then mind your own ✌️
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It depends on the situation. If 2 gens remaining and 0 kills have been done, tunneling/camping may be the most efficient choice to try to win and I dont blame the killer.
Otherwise t/c obsessively from the begging of the game is a miserable attitude imho. Using this strategy if you have a minimum of skill and you know what you are doing can easily lead you to get 4k cause there are no effective countermoves (especially in soloq) . Many people do it just to boost their ego and convince themselves to be the best lol
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Tunneling and camping is also a trap. It's too effective of a strategy until it's not because it placed the Killer in an MMR they shouldn't be in.
The arguments that tunneling and camping are necessary are only situationally true; if you don't tunnel and camp you'll be at an MMR where you don't need to tunnel and camp. You just need to be willing to lose games you could have won if you had tunneled and camped.
That's the hard part since most people playing want to win and, especially if the survivors are teabagging and being toxic, it's hard to forego the short term satisfaction in exchange for keeping your MMR at a reasonable level.
Fortunately, the devs do realize that and are trying to shake it up. The initial days are going to be hard for a lot of people in both roles since a lot of players have been using tunneling, camping, NOED and the current iteration of Dead Hard to get themselves at a higher MMR than they would be without those perks and strategies but I think it'll lead to more enjoyable games in the long run.
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I know right, I totally just play TikTok's when I'm waiting to be unhooked. XD
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So a complete non answer and no timestamps. There isn't a way to stop 3 gens from popping vs good survivors on standard m1 killers on the first chase. emphasis on good, I don't need to see a vid of a trapper refusing to use traps vs potatoes and getting 12 hooks at 5 gens.
Here's some spoilers for your "go watch streamers". They also regularly lose 3 gens early. The difference is they typically play well enough and survivors make dumb altruistic plays that they can turn it around and still win. They also camp and tunnel when they need to in order to get someone out
Its a fact that kill rates are below 50% unless you disagree with bhvrs statements and past data. You think killers should be nerfed more though? What's a good kill rate then? 25%? 0%?
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Now you sound pissed off, so if its really easy to trigger you like that then I stand by my assessment.
My point was that people get really uppity about camping and tunneling and always seem to take it personally, while it may not be the greatest gameplay its is still just gameplay.
I've had plenty of fun games as survivor and killer playing around the hook and hook trading. One of the things I miss most about this game from two years ago is hook trading seems to have died off.
Survivors either rush for a save and get killed or never bother and let their team mate just die. Their either foolish or selfish.
I get it MMR is now based on escapes and if you want decent team mates then playing selfish when in solo queue often pays off more than player altruistic. But the onus is always on the killer to not exploit that to their advantage which is kinda nuts.
Whether you find it fun or not really is kinda irrelevant to your opponent, its a harsh pill to swallow but its the truth. You aren't responsible for anyone else's fun just as they aren't responsible for yours.
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Its the threat you are trying to avoid that makes up the core of the game.
Whether you find it fun or not really is kinda irrelevant to your opponent, its a harsh pill to swallow but its the truth. You aren't responsible for anyone else's fun just as they aren't responsible for yours.
Saying "I don't think this is fun" is different from saying "no one should think this is fun". Your opponent is under no obligation to make the game fun for you, you have to do that for yourself.
Most strats in this game require little to no skill its very RNG based. "skill" in DBD is often random chance + ego. "braindead strats" require "brain dead" survivors to fall for them and they do it in droves so it works.
Camping and tunneling often payoff more than chasing and spreading damage and until that changes its going to remain a key strat in DBD. This is also not really objectively about gameplay because your OP is very personal.
"Why, why is necesery every single surv on hook and tunnel?? ######### is wrong with you, people?? Did someone hurt you in real life that you spread your trash all over the people in game??? I haven't playing DBD for 2 months and guess what???"
Are you attacking the game mechanics or attacking other players because of what's possible in game. These are also two different things.
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Easy Answer and easy to understand.
Go play killer, climb a bit MMR and see what happens. You Will understand why Killers Tunnel and Camp
Instead of complainig about Tunnel (Which is legit according to DBD rules at the CoC) you should complain about the problems in the Game that makes Killers play that way ;)
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Yeah but I had facecamp bubba with deadlock-corrupt in mind when I wrote this, it's objectively not fun because you can't counter it, even facecamp with an M1 killer is kinda hard to counter if your team isn't coordinated, but yes ultimately it's not the player fault it's the game.
Atm tunneling/camping is mandatory against a good team do you really think it's healthy for the game ? It could be designed differently, players with 1000+ hours probably don't care much about getting tunnelled but what about new players ? it's still a game dude it's meant to be fun, getting facecamped to death on your first hook don't really need to be a thing
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Im tired to be a clown for survivor on exit gate. I has 9 hook 2,2,2 and 1 dead and other 3? leave, i receive gg? nooo, just clik clik, ggez and tbag and whatever on the gate. Tunnel is the best strategy and soon, in 6.1.0 just camp, why i should they leave the hook? survivor will have 50 endurance status, so, just camp.
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Lmao yes, I'm super pissed off. Are you my soulmate? Is that how you know me better than I do myself? 🤣 <- that is a joke btw.
I just wanted to end the convo, cus I didn't feel like reading another essay-length comment 💀but here we are. I'm gonna go hunt cyberpsycho's in Night City and have fun, I hope you have a wonderful day/evening, bye!
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Do you get paid to win in DBD? No? Than why are you concentrating so much on kills instead of fun chases?
Click click at gates annoys you? Alt+Tab to Youtube as soon as gates are open.
ggez annoys you? Close your chat window, there is nothing of value to read there.
I have amazing strategy how to enjoy killer and it works very well for me. DO NOT TRY HARD. Just give it a try. I go ez on survivors and just enjoy chases. This puts me in lower rank than if I would try hard. And it gives me multiple advantages: 1. if anyone goes out of the way to annoy me, I can easily up the pressure. 2. Challenges are easier to do. 3. It's relaxing and I can have a beer while playing.
In summary: playing killer is as annoying as you willing to make it yourself. Remember: you are in control if you kjust stop try harding all the time.
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"Atm tunneling/camping is mandatory against a good team do you really think it's healthy for the game ? It could be designed differently, players with 1000+ hours probably don't care much about getting tunnelled but what about new players ? it's still a game dude it's meant to be fun, getting facecamped to death on your first hook don't really need to be a thing"
While I disagree that it's mandatory to tunnel/camp against a good team... its definitely easier to do given the often better payoff over chasing in many scenarios, so why wouldn't you if you want to get the kills.
Is it healthy as a game mechanic? not really as its pretty zero sum for the opponent whom hangs on hook all game.
Is it completely unnecessary though? well it forces survivors to act as a team and coordinate a save which they are kinda meant to be doing. Its a pretty substantial threat that will drive you to avoid the killer and escape at all costs so its kinda on theme.
Perhaps I'd be permitted to call it thematically appropriate but mechanically questionable.
Now we are talking objective game mechanics not "which player is a D-bag" a much more productive topic if folks wanna see genuine gameplay changes. 👍️
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"...at least 1 kill." There is the answer. Play some "fair" games where you have 8 hooks and 4 survivors alive tbag you on the gate. You will understand it even better.
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Joke or not, there is genuinely no unresolved conflict that exists between us. Its a silly game forum nothing more.
Enjoy your day/evening too
Kept this one extra short for you 😘
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Or to play another game. When im being tunneled and camped I have bad habit to do that then as killer to payback. Eventhought I still usually manage to play lot fairer than killers I face would be maybe better idea to keep a break. Thought I have evolved recently and play now tombstone myers after rought games...
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"Repair gens is boring" Ok, then I will tunnel you, I will give you 3 chases.
"Tunneling is annoying, I don´t know why is allowed" Bruh, what do you want then xD
I am giving 3 chases, maybe 4 if that survivor runs DS, chasing is the most fun time in the game, so.... why do you complain about tunneling?
Survivors doesn´t want to repar (Really weird, they rush a lot) but they neither want chase so... maybe DBD is not your game, try Stardew Valley
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Listen, I don't want to be one off "them" unhappy tunneler, who doesn't have happy real life, you know.
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Just a hint: Attempting to get a constructive discussion or people to listen to you seriously generally precludes making facetious comments. Tunneling in a video game doesn't say anything about the real life of the tunneler; trying to make that connection makes you come across as just salty.
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Lol, i have more fun playing Borderlands 3 xD I love playing DBD and going in to chase, but when killer just death focusing on me, probably because I have ttv on name, just annoying and not fun. I'm trying to earn BP as well but since killers tunneling the best scenario was 6k points lmao. Waste off time for me, because killer just wasted my time with his scummy gameplay
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That is also something nobody talks about, but what I suspect, happens quite often: players that felt miserable during a match, switching roles in an attempt to make others also feel miserable.
When a killer camps&tunnels, survivors only talk about "only killer mains do that" but what if its actually the other way around?
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So that five gens DON'T get done.
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Wow, OK, how u can explain that after tunneling match some off them trying to abuse me in DMs on discord or Twitch???
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Oh, sorry mister that English is not my main language. Yezzz
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That wasn't an English correction. It was an answer.
You want to know why camps and tunnels happen at 5 gens. The answer is so those gens do not get done.
I have no idea why Survivor Mains act like the number of gens left dictate what behaviors Killers are allowed to do. It's not like Survivors are banned from doing certain things before a certain number of hook states. When was the last time you saw a thread that said "Survivors, why are you rushing generators at 0 hooks?". The answer is never. Get off the double standard.
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Seems like you don't understand comletely. OK, I guess u are killer main. So tell me, is it any reason why killers try hard and tunnel and camping when it's START of the game??? Like complete start??? Because off bad and toxic killer Behavior most of survs who got hooked in first seconds just suicide and killers take that as normal thing, like it should be that way, like I just bloody turn on my game and waste my time to please the low esteem killer??? I came in to game to play, but not been abused and wasting my time, cuz my time cost more than yours "GG EZ" in end game. Yezzz... Now I see clear that this game is not for adult people like me. Bruhhhh
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I'm a Survivor Main.
You know why they do that at the start of the game?
Because so do we. What do we do? We split up and in seconds 3-4 of us are on gens. 90 seconds later we have 60-80% of our objective done, more than half. How many Killers do you know that get 7 hook states in 90 seconds? Answer: zero.
That is why camping and tunnelling exists.
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If you have more fun playing BL3, then go and play It. Nobody is forcing you to play DBD, and you shouldnt force others to play by your rules
If the killer tunneled you, enjoy It, you got 3 chases while your team mates were pressing M1 like bots. Scummy or not, is legit and is the BEST way to win so good luck.
If you don't like Tunnel and Camp, play as killer without doing It and see what happens. If you keep playing as survivor, Accept that you Will get tunneled and inprove your Gameplay
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Are you gona tell to kids with high grades in school, improve more??? That was just example. It's makes no sence. I love DbD but the way off huge amount off tunneling it makes unplayable. I was playing DBD in 2019 and there were more fun than now.
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MMR was not avalible on 2019, Behaviour decided to implement this garbage system so this is the result.
Tunnel makes unplayable, Genrush Makes Unplayable, SWF makes unplayable....
There is a lot of thing that makes the Game Unplayable so you have two ways.
Deal with It or leave
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Sending post game salt is a behaviour that is separate from tunneling. You're conflating the two which is wrong. I see a lot of tunneling killers and I've received salt from a Killer a grand total of one time over the last year. I also receive salt from survivors about two to three times a month. The only thing I can say is that they were tilted from a video game.
Trying to conflate separate behaviors into one isn't helping your argument.
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Both are probably true. Survivor mains usually are not good at chasing either so they camp and tunnel more likely but some killer mains use these tactics as well to win.
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the best strategy is removing a survivors as quickly as possible.
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