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BHVR, thank you for listening to the community. These upcoming changes from the ptb for the mid chapter is most welcome news. Honestly, I have no complaints. Thank you for shaking things up, because it was sorely needed. The only thing that I'm looking forward to now is the bot implementation. Hopefully it comes sooner rather than later. There are many killers I would love to try in a non-sweat setting!
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Personally, I don't think that "bots" is a healthy idea for any multiplayer games.
If killer dc's, I'd rather to play next match with a human being than AI.
If survivor dc's... I'd rather have a "Return to match button".
Altho - I'd like to have a stronger punishment for ragequits. As a survivor, don't forget, you're playing with another 3 people, pay some respect to their time.
I don't adore any AI in a games, where you supposed to play with other players.
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Seems like perk sets will become the meta rather than the perks itselves
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Isn't bots just a killer practice match? I didn't read anywhere where bots would be in live matches in any form.
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Oh dangit, I missread that, sorry.=)
I heard about practice matches to try out killers or perks, looking forward to it too!
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As soon as this comes out, I'm spending the rest of my days in custom with those bots unless I'm doing a tome.
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Considering all the sweat and toxicity that one endures in dead by daylight, I always said that if the day should ever come when I can play against bots, then I'll never go back to playing against real people ever again. Obviously that's a gross generalized statement, but I can definitely see myself playing against bots more than humans in the future.
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Completely disagree. Bots allow people to play in a more casual way. You may not like them, but they are essential. If we had actual bots to replace people who DC it would be amazing, because it means we could remove DC penalties and have the game not be over for those who are still around.
Also, if we could have bot matches that still allowed for progress towards challenges, achievements etc it would be so nice. Because then you could just play simple nice matches where you can work towards your challenges, without worrying about camping/tunneling killers or hyper-efficient SWF squads. You could play at your own pace.
So just because you don't like AI, doesn't mean we should listen to your desire and not implement them in the game. If there was a separate mode like in TF2's Man vs Machine, you could simply choose not to interact with the system and go in normal matches playing against other players, but don't force your ideals and opinions on others and say "no, bots bad, you should only play against real players". Since ideally you'd have the ability to opt between bot and normal matches all you have to do is not play bot matches and at that point is a win-win.
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I didn't say "I don't like AI", I said "It's not a healthy idea". I knew some games has this mechanic, and it was a nightmare.
And I can already tell, that if survivor player get replaced with AI, he's gonna ruin this match for the rest of a team. Believe me.=)
If killer player gonna be replaced with AI. Than all human interraction with him is gonna be lost. And I'm not only talking about killer nodding, or gives last one a hatch, it's just not fun to play against heartless machines in such games, so I would rather end the match quickly anyway.
And it's considering, how smart will be this AI's. Hackers\Cheaters already doing them and... Do you enjoy playing against such AI?
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Hackers or just cheaters in general that managed to get ahold of the bots also made them super powerful, giving them all the perks in the world times 100. That is not the true experience of the bots, so let us get that out of the way, because it's not what it would be like. Don't try and paint it bad because of cheaters.
Secondly I love playing against AI, in fact, I prefer bots compared to players. Bots don't taunt, don't insult you, don't BM, don't camp, don't tunnel and you can program them to not be hyper efficient. Basically bots make matches feel nice and relaxing. No more pressure, no more sweating, just fun casual matches. That is not the experience you get against players. This is because bots don't care about winning or losing, they just exist to play, humans, on the other hand, are obsessed with winning, and so they do everything in their power to do so.
Real players will use the most annoying, but effective builds, most powerful killers, most powerful addons, squad up for perfect communication. Bots don't do that. Bots are the real chads that just play the game and they could have every perk in the game, no meta stuff. Bots. Are. Fun.
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It was weird how in the last Q&A BHVR said that bots were practically off the table, and then in the anniversary stream they did a complete 180. People have been asking for a practice mode for years, and now that dead by daylight is starting to see a lot of asymmetrical multiplayer competition (evil dead, ghostbusters, etc) that actually incorporate the modes and gameplay options that we want, it no doubt forced their hand.
As the saying goes, competition is healthy, and sadly if it wasn't for all of these other games that have been released and are on the horizon, these changes in DBD probably never would have happened.
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Ok, hackers and cheaters aside, as you say.=)
So you all about having casual fun matches that feel nice and relaxing, no pressure, no sweat... You don't like challenges, yeah?=)
I'm not talking about "playing vs AI" games, I'm talking about DC'd players getting replaced with AI and...
I feel a need to ask, who told you that only AI bots can give you such matches?
Who told you that AI is not gonna use effective builds considering he's gonna use same build as person who just dc'd?=)
Who told you that AI is not gonna be sweaty, don't camp or tunnel?
No one can tell, but AI is gonna be a total dominator, or total disaster, like Nemesis's zombos.=)
Anyway I'll stay with my point of view, destroy the source of these DC's, more punishment for dc, let ppl think twice before ragequitting and letting down their team, and bring up this Return to match button!
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Who told me bots are gonna do X and Y? Myself, because I am a programmer so I know what AI is capable of and I know how you can program them. In a mode that is strictly against bots, bots have no reason to play to win, because bots gain nothing, so BHVR would have those matches easy, maybe go as far as make difficulty settings for them, so you can decide what kind of matches you want.
So I disagree with you entirely. Implement bots to replace people DC-ing, add a mode that is strictly against bots where you can still do challenges for the rift and stuff (and yeah, I kinda do not like challenges. no offence, but I am not a 15 yr old sweatlord with nothing to do all day but play DbD, so when I play a game I wanna relax and enjoy my time. I already work during the day, I don't wanna work in a video game as well).
And after you have bots replacing DCs, remove the DC penalty entirely. Seriously, the point of it is just to force people to play the game, even when it is unfun. But with bots replacing players BHVR have on their hand the best statistic on what is fun and what isn't! With a DC stat they can see which games are unfun and fix whatever makes people not wanna play in the match.
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There is no plan to have bots in regular matches. This is purely a "practice mode" if you will, something in custom matches to help learn killer powers or maps etc.
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Yeah, bots are just in custom matches so far is all they are doing at the moment. Maybe hypothetically if the bots play well enough they’ll extend it to allow bots to replace disconnected survivors like the mobile version does, but that’s speculation. 🤷♂️ Either way there’s no chance they’d have normal pregame lobbies with bots in them.
Personally I’d love to see relatively decent bots replace disconnected players. It’s much fairer to my opponents if they at least have a bot player taking some of the burden on gens or getting me chasing them then to go against me shorthanded. And I definitely am against the idea of “oh, someone left, so I’ll leave too”.
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Excuse me... Remove the DC penalty entirely, so ppl can leave a match whenever they want if it's unfun?
Have you ever consider your teammates fun? Have you ever consider a good sport in games? So you rather just leave whenever you think that match is... "Unfun"?
You're pranking me, right?=)
If not... I would not like to have someone like you in my team, knowing that this person just gonna leave a match whenever he gets hooked.
Sorry, as I said I'd like this game to be without "AI replacing DC". No more words from me.=)
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Say Mandy, out of curiosity any idea roughly what quarter you guys are shooting for on bots? Was it Q3 or Q4 this year? I know you guys posted a roadmap chart for 2022 but it didn’t give any sort of estimate at the time.
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If bots replace DC-ed users, then there is nothing wrong with DC-ing if you aren't having fun. I like how you are like "what about teammates fun". I'm sorry, did I buy this game to please you or for my own enjoyment? I have never heard of games where people are forced to play to the end even if they aren't having fun, because that is dumb. People buy games for their own fun and entertainment, multiplayer ones as well. If they aren't having fun, then what's the point in playing.
So I'm sorry, but it's not like with bots replacing them those teammates would lose anything. Who knows, maybe they earned a better teammate or killer. Overall it would be better for the game. And hey, if those teammates are no longer having fun, they can also DC. Like, I really do not understand your logic "wow, you would DC and have a bot replace you if you're not having fun? what about the others fun?" as if they couldn't just leave the match as well or somehow a bot replacing a player would result in a worse match.
My opinion is final and nobody can ever change it. Bots in games are good, because then you can still have game progression and not have to deal with unfun matches. It also preserves multiplayer games, because then you could still play it after they close servers. Remember Deathgarden? You know what would have helped it? Bots, because then you could literally still play the game even with the servers gone. Instead, the game now just sits in peoples libraries and BHVR won't do anything with it, not even release code to make our own servers or anything. At least with bots you could play in singleplayer.
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I too would love to see a fairly decent bot replace a disconnected player. There's truly nothing worse than having a survivor disconnect at the start of a match, as it makes completing five generators almost impossible. Not saying that a bot would get the job done, but at least it ensures the killer has something else to focus on.
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Yeah, Mandy mentions above that there’s currently no plans for that, but if I remember right it’s not because they think it’s a bad idea but rather because of the difficulty of implementing bots in general. I doubt bots are totally off the table forever though if the custom match bots prove popular enough to make the development time of extending them to disconnected survivors seem worthwhile.
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Nothing worse than having dc from a start - this is a thing.
So instead of bringing bots (I know there will be no bots in regular matches), just bring a return to match button.
Bots only for practice mode or maybe in player vs AI mode.
When they ragequits, they most of a time just don't give a single S to other players in their lobby, which is buggles me, really.
I'm all of a good sports, fair play, respecting your opponent kind of guy. I'm ok if my teammate just got "Connection lost" issue. But I hate when ppl ragequits. And I'm all of punishment for that.
Situation right now at least with me:
If 1 survivor dc or ragequit, and I'm playing a killer, I automatically turn off a "sweat mode" and trying to play as casual as possible. (I playing on high ranks)
If I see them trying their best to escape, I'd gladly let them go after second hooking everyone. They don't deserve this match to be an automatic loss, just coz 1 guy in their team decides that "This match is unfun for me, I'm leaving".
If I see they gave up and pointing on a hook, I'll kill them so their time will not be wasted.
I respect my teammates, and my opponents. It's my decision to make matches with me as fun for everyone as possible. Only if they isn't really sweaty ofc. xD
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Sorry, can only say what we've put in the road map for year 7. We tend to not give a time estimate on these things.
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No worries, I figured that might be the case but couldn’t hurt to ask. Thanks for the reply!
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No plans are not "never will happen", which I hope does happen at some point. I just hope you guys can realize how much nicer it would be for people to have a match against bots where you can still progress through the rift, get achievements and more and even replace people who DC. I know a lot of people might complain, but they don't see the bigger picture and how it would do good for the health of the game and the people playing it too!
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nah i experienced that on mobile and it was horrible, i instantly wanna get out of a game where there are dc bots as i didn't queue for a bot game it was so boring and they always do the same thing (crouch at a corner of a loop or run to the z wall or miss skill checks) bots in ranked matches should never ever be a thing in this game.
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They didn’t listen to the ‘community’, they only listened to killer mains…big difference.
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not in the slightest. We take feedback from all sections of the community and this feedback is something that's taken very seriously - hence the changes from PTB to Live that we announced yesterday. We made very clear in our initial Developer Update when we announced all these changes initially that we were looking at improving the kill rates, so it's completely understandable that this is something that has been a high priority focus for us.
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