Killer queue times are becoming a joke.
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#BuffsNotBloodpoints
Reading this thread has made me happy to see that the community isn't insane enough to think the current state of the game is "Amazing."
The balance right now is in my opinion as bad as it was back in 2016-2018.
Was it balanced before? No, but it was a hell of a lot more balanced then it is now. Allot more enjoyable too. They could have just nerfed Dead Hard and the balance would have been pretty damn good between the 2 roles with the biggest variance being Nurse & SWF.
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Considering the patch release, it will 100% solve the issue.
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Are you arguing that this patch wasnt killer sided as hell?
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Ig nows when we use the well-known phrase "You've made your cake, now eat it" huh?
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It was killer-sided. That was intended.
But: Its the first patch in ages which was killersided.
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I think the bigger problem is people who play survivor wanting to chime in on the killer experience. Any survivor has 1/4 of the experience a killer has.
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Killers been B- Tier for last 12+ months and kept playing, Survs get same treatment and they leave in droves, Shows the general attitude of the survivor community.
Note: Not all survs, and also im still using my same killer perks that i did before the patch. Iron maiden, Bbq, Corrupt and Starstruck/Dead mans.
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I forget who said it on these forums but they said it best.
It lives rent-free in their heads now. Any feedback regardless of having no relation to Dead Hard seems to be key to bring it out of them.
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That's so spot on lol
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Just not true playing killer was always fun and solo Q miserable, last big event before patch killer queues were long too I could barely play at peak hours, I mean ok dead hard deserved that nerf but then why nerf survivor speed boost after being hit, buff bloodlust, attack cooldown and all that stuff, +90 seconds generators it's too much
they should have done half of these things then observe killrates for a while, then buff again slowly
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It is good that more people are playing killer. I am taking advantage of the fast survivor queues.
If you are stubborn and want to wait in the queue then that is on you.
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I dunno. I mean sure killer was always hard and some killers got you into unwinnable situations more often than not (that feeling when you lost control of the situation with trapper). Yet I'm a big fat killer main, have always been, likely always be, because, for all its flaws, killer gameplay has always been the most enjoyable part of DBD.
I have found survivor gameplay dull since the first time I played, I always thought solo queue was utterly unenjoyable and nothing of this has changed my mind about it.
So now I have to wait 2-3 minutes to play as killer in exchange of even more enjoyable trials? So be it.
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im a killer only player bro - I don't play survivor at all.
YOU are the prey in the relationship.
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Same for me, same region too.
Killer queues are almost instant. I think the longest I've waited is a minute lol
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I'm in Europe and survivor queues used to be like minimum 5 minutes during "rush hour" in the evening and especially on weekends. Now I have INSTANT survivor queues no matter the time of day and/or whether it's weekend or not.
I wanted to try and play killer but after I couldn't find a match after 7 minutes of waiting I just called it a day.
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Yep, you JUST get a 4k! No mind games or memorization needed. That's how a normal match plays out.
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im in western europe and its terrible waiting for killer. Is there no way we can pay to get faster queues? like priority queue on Planetside 2 for members
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That doesn't excuse bad sportsmanship or being a jerk for no reason.
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Lets moan about survivors constantly and then when they get nerfed to hell so its boarderline unplayable lower ranks soloQ we can then moan about the Q times for killer when more people are turned away from playing survivor
This game is being ruined by this dev team and its sad
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Why do you think so many people wanted to play survivor in the first place? cause it was a cakewalk. you get to bully the horror franchies you grew up with, then tbag them at the gate on your way out.
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Oh, I agree. If you BM in games for no reason, you're a shitter. But people act like clicking a flashlight or teabagging is the single greatest affront to humanity, rather than just some keyboard warrior trying to get a rise out of you.
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Is toxic to killers, and gloats about it.
Wonders why killers weren't having fun.
Complains that killers got buffed.
Never change, internet. Never change.
I've played games since...basically gaming was a thing.
Sportsmanship makes your game into a phenomenon. A crappy community makes your game niche.
Look at how the Tribunal turned League of Legends from a meme into among the most successful PvP games of all time.
If I were BHVR, I'd consider the amount of pout going on right now to be a massive incentive not to change anything, because this is behavior (lol) that should not be encouraged.
This isn't feedback. This is sulking.
There's plenty of complaining about Dead Hard.
It should help. I know that I'll generally play whichever role the incentive is going towards, unless I'm already Iri 1 on that role.
Solo was, is and will always be a sub-optimal way to play this game. I still have a lot of fun in solo, but you have to take the good with the bad.
What we need are stronger penalties for suiciding and DCing a lot.
BHVR balanced this off their own internal stats, which are likely far more accurate than the gross kill rates we get stats wise, and - by their numbers - killers were struggling.
This was a way of (hopefully) discouraging unfun playstyles, while buffing killers - especially the weaker M1 killers. It wasn't perfect, but it's a huge step in the right direction.
You can't have it both ways.
If you're nasty in games, the fault lies on you - not the person that happens to get irritated at your antics.
Just...manner up. Otherwise, eventually, there's going to be a crackdown.
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Where did I complain that killers got buffed? I think you'll find my only issue with this patch is the iron will exhaustion change so please don't act like I'm on this forum complaining daily, I play killer too, I'm actually higher rank killer than survivor right now despite queue times I also don't see t-bagging as toxic, it doesn't bother me so I don't care about it.
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Not caring about it is one thing. But you know that it annoys people, and you deliberately do it - as you stated - because you know it annoys people.
That's textbook toxicity.
Also - yeah, two people with the same avatar confused me for a second.
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I talk about t-bagging but I rarely actually do it, but I believe people should be free to do as often as they want because it's so irrelevant and means nothing. I just don't care about "t-bagging", I literally cant even make up a reason in my head as to why killer mains are so upset by it other than egos lol.
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This is too funny
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I didn't notice until now LMAO
It's like talking to a wall with some of them, jeez
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I play both roles and you are limited by your murder fantasy in a hide and seek game. You ain't preying on anything
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I haven't seen that much. Killers just want to blame survivors for being upset about the patch because of DH, but I'm sure we both know that isn't why most people are upset. We shouldn't defend comments like those.
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If you constantly go to a restaurant and get bad food and it continues to get worse, you will likely stop going back. That is happening here. For survivors, the food is continuing to get worse and worse via gutting essential survivor perks and massively buffing killer constantly. Survivors are not having fun, the win conditions are next to impossible compared to killer.
The issue is worse than everyone is even thinking including BHVR. These extreme survivor nerfs is not only running off long-time players that enjoyed the game with specific perks (Spine Chill, Dead Hard, Iron Will, Decisive Strike), they can't enjoy the game and have a fair chance to win. And with how overpowered killers are now, new survivors can't win.
Killers got better meta perks in this patch and survivors got garbage. Or at least none of them is useful against good killers.
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Perfect.
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Because it's being a bad winner. It's the gaming equivalent to refusing to shake someone's hand after the match. And...it's interesting how you say 'killer mains', considering I see survivors complaining constantly about stuff like hitting on hook and nodding.
And you literally said: 'Every time someone complains about it on the forums I do it even more'. So either you were telling pork pies there (ironically, to annoy someone), or you're telling pork pies now. I suspect the latter.
Sure. Let's accept your premise here (it's wrong, but whatever).
You don't want to go to a restaurant - you stop going. That's fine, and you're well within your rights.
What you don't get to do is stand in the restaurant yelling at other people and smacking their food out of their hands.
And Sluzzy, you complained that survivors couldn't win and how horribly killer sided this game was before the changes (which BHVR specified are due to their own, internal numbers regarding kill rates being substantially out of whack with what they want) - meaning that either you think the devs are lying to you, have it out for your role or have a vision of the game incompatible with what you want.
By your analogy, why are you still ordering food here?
Just do a search for 'dead hard nerf', or check the feedback forums.
The thing is - Dead Hard is probably responsible for a lot of the complaints, at least tangentially. Some people said that they wouldn't play survivor if DH got nerfed. Others, especially at higher MMR (where it saw something like 75-80% use rate!) are likely now going to drop down slightly in MMR, and that will take time.
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And you know they are substantially bellow what they wanted because they’ve told it to you?
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Yes. They said that kill rates were lower than they wanted. I say 'substantially', because the changes were substantial, and it's easily inferred.
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Or because pre patch this forum was 24/7 killers crying
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So...are you saying the devs are lying?
If so - why are you still around? I mean, if I learned that the devs of my game weren't just lying, they were out to get me - I'd probably leave.
Also - are survivors now 24/7 crying? Or are people giving feedback about the game, in a sometimes hyperbolic manner (this is the internet after all), on the forum for that game.
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You could... like you know... go play Survivor yourself since they have instant queues, just a suggestion.
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Dropping a pallet and t-bagging doesn't mean you've won anything.
The amount of complains about nodding and hook hitting is incredibly miniscule to the people asking survivors to be banned for t-bagging lmao.
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Yeah, it seems like oversimplification, but essentially losing DH is absolutely a big part of the issue. I mean it's been at the top of the meta for years, and is no doubt muscle memory for a lot of players. You get used to having something all the time for a long time, and you're not going to just turn the page when it's gone.
It'd be like if you were a hardcore Soulsborne player and all of the sudden rolling wasn't an option. I guarantee people are out there hitting their E key even when they don't have DH equipped.
For people who used it in almost every match, it's going to be like a phantom limb for a while.
That said, it will pass with time.
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Well yeah killers got some big QOL changes making them a lot more enjoyable to play, so more players are playing killer. That's a good thing.
So far my queue times for both sides have been pretty consistently equal, probably still a lil longer on survivor. Yes its attenuated by time of day, server etc etc I'm well aware of the obvious.
Killer queue times were still instant in the dregs of late ight gaming so not all has changed.
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An army of man babies rage quitting because they can't adapt to change isn't burn out.
Its just and army of man babies who can't adapt to change, that's all.
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What I'm seeing is people being upset with gen times, DS, SC and tunneling/camping. Are some people upset that DH got nerfed? Absolutely! Do I think most people are upset with the patch because of DH nerf? Not at all.
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Most of the suggestions I've seen are a system to encourage good sportsmanship, not punish BM.
Bingo.
Which is why, as I keep saying - people need to settle the hell down, stop pouting, stop throwing games in some sort of weird protest and give the devs a chance to separate the signal from the noise here, and see where the numbers lie. We can then start adjusting things again.
I know I've been playing as much survivor as I always have (more with the queue times, honestly) and I'm actually having as much success, if not more. The baseline BT helps quite a lot.
You know, I could pretty easily make a montage wall out of all the 'DH got nerfed' posts, but I'm not going to put in the time because you and I have done this before, and it's like digging holes in water.
But okay, let me do a quick search on the forums and Reddit...
There we go.
I'm seeing a few DS posts, but a lot of those are killers or dual-role players like myself saying 'yes, this nerf was silly, put it back to 5 seconds or let it proc every time you are unhooked'.
SC...about the same, honestly.
Camping - I'm seeing less complaining, honestly.
Tunneling...I'm hesitant, because this is a term that seems to mean something different for every person. I know I get cussed out for 'tunneling' if I chase someone for too long, at times, or if I down someone that runs directly into me after being unhooked.
Again, it's one of those tangential things. Some of the complaints are about DH. Some of the complaints come down to matchmaking, which is also going to partially come down to DH, especially at higher/intermediate MMRs.
It'll take a while for things to stabilize, and the Chicken Little-ing isn't helping.
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Was playing Killer last night and had no problems.
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I've NEVER seen a single thread complaining about nodding or hook hitting, I've certainly seen comments, but I see t-bagging / clicking comments daily and posts weekly, you cannot begin to pretend they're even remotely complained about the same and you're lying if you say they're complained similarly.
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*Searches 'Nodding'*
*Searches 'Teabagging'*
*Searches 'Hitting On Hook'*.
Okay, that's too much data.
*Searches all three within a month of today*.
Nope, about the same. One weird thing is that survivors are always in there defending teabagging, but I'm not seeing many killers defending nodding or HoH.
Huh.
Maybe don't accuse someone of being a liar before *actually checking it out for yourself*.
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they said it was below expectation, but I don’t think it was massive. And yes, after a lot of years and hours, I left the game
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They said below expectation, and then implemented a substantial change. What do you think that indicates?
Also...why are you so invested in this topic, if you've quit?
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The search function literally doesn't work so you're not proving anything by searching these terms and seeing what pops up, lmao.
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It...literally does work. I just did it, and it worked completely fine.
We can go and take a look at Reddit too, if you'd prefer - but I'll bet dollars to donuts that it's going to turn out the exact same.
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