Nurse doesn't fit into modern Dead by Daylight
She is a relic from the past when game was an extremely casual experience with lot of overpowered option, like instantly doing gen with toolbox add-on , or infinite loops, or Mori after one down, blendettes ruling the dark maps with supreme stealth.
Today dbd is evolved and trying to be more of competitive game, and taking every fun option from survivor players, maps are brightened up, no longer possible to break LOS on most maps, or the options are severly limited, not to mention the extremely long list of aura reading perks. In short every countermeasure is disabled vs Nurse.
She doesn't play the same game like any other killer, she has no limitations, it doesn't matter what survivors are doing, she is playing against herself. If Nurse player avoid making any mistake, she is guaranteed to win every time.
Is it really good argument letting her to stay extremely overpowered just because she is hard to learn?
She doesn't belong into the game anymore, especially since everything that was unfair to killers, taken from survivors.
Its time for Nurse to be reworked, to be not a free win for a dedicated killer player.
Statistically she always be underpowered, since on console she can't reach the level which possible on pc, so console data providing the justification to be untouchable right now
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I agreee. But i don't want a full rework like freddy.
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Oh, a Nurse thread. It has been such a long time since one of these was debunked ...
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Apparently the plethora of other threads wasn't enough.
Neither were the detailed explanations.
So this time I'll make it simple. This is from the stream in January 2022.
This was before the devs said killer rates were lower than they wanted.
TL/RD: "gitgut"
There is a lot of documentation available to achieve this, both texts and videos.
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We should buff Survivors basekit because the guy with 2 hours keeps dying, got it!
Nurse's power ceiling is absolutely too high. Lower the floor and ceiling.
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"no longer possible to break LOS on most maps"
Yes, it's still possible. If you want to prove us wrong, show us a video of you failing to break a nurse's LOS.
"In short every countermeasure is disabled vs Nurse."
Wrong. The nurse has a counterplay, as do all killers.
If you want to prove us wrong, show us how you play against her. Before you say, "She has no counterplay", show us how YOU play against her. Then we can see what it is.
"Is it really good argument letting her to stay extremely overpowered just because she is hard to learn?"
It has been a long time since the defense of the nurse has revolved around this argument, but around : "At worst ... Challenge yourself and improve?"
Conclusion: show us how you play the nurse.
Because if what you say is true, we should see, in your videos, a survivor with an innate talent against the nurse, not being able to do anything, strictly nothing, being put down in 2s, with a 4K - 0 gens.
We are waiting.
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Nurse is fine if you are good as survivor and Nurse is not a free win if you are vs good survivors
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On the contrary she has the most unique power in the game.
Devs are simply afraid to bring more killer of her class, which is a mistake : it would be easier to balance.
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Nurse's "counters" aren't counters btw especially since after you do them the first time she'll make sure not to fall for whatever you did again because that's how stupid nurse is.
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It's physically impossible to counter every possible counter survivors can perform, though.
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Wasn´t that one of the reasons why ruin was ner... Uhm i mean "improved".
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Naaaaah.
Trapper is a relic from the past.
Nurse is what an interesting killer should be. Has some skill ceiling, is fun to play and changes the game mechanics in a fun and unique way.
The only other killer thats on her level in terms of being interesting to play and changing the rules of the game is the Twins.
Less basic M1 killers, more of those please and ty.
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I more or less agree, every killer nowadays is an m1 with a teleport... Or an anti-looper. We have not had anything slightly different since Twins, which is from before I even started playing this game. Lol.
I hope I did not forget someone obvious, but I do not believe I did.
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Debunked? Joking, right?
Not a single valid point for why nurse should be nerfed has been "Debunked".
Just nurse players desperately scrambling to defend their toy saying all sorts of nonsense.
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If only the people who spent this much time complaining about Nurse spent even half that time learning to play against them.
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Most people who complain about Nurse have never tried playing as her. I would love to see gameplay of you playing as Nurse.
I admit going against a decent Nurse can be frustrating, but it takes a lot of time and skill to master her.
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I doubt they'd completely rework her to the point she is like a normal killer, so here's my suggestions.
Make it 1 blink by default, and 2 addons that add blink charges. If people want safety blinks that would prevent them from stacking range/recharge addons. Nurse having 2 blinks has always felt to me like it would be an addon you'd take as a safety, or extra strength.
Also make her blink attacks count like Blight's charging attacks. A secondary attack that's not gonna proc noed/starstruck. At least the blinks past the first one.
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We do not need to debunk these arguments.
They do it themselves.
Every time I see someone say, "Help, the mean nurse is too strong," I ask, "Okay, prove it to me, show me how you play against her."
And, oddly enough, how many videos do we get in response?
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Yet, if the nurse is indeed this overpowering monster who rules over terrified survivors like a living God, it should be easy to prove, right?
Well, then, survivors, will you show us this evidence?
Unless you're afraid that by showing us your gameplay, it will allow us to see that in fact, if the nurse is able to crush you, it's not necessarily her who is overpowered, but maybe it's you ... who are too weak ...
Saying something is easy.
Proving it ... a little more complicated, it seems.
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I already have. Multiple times. No point doing it again. I'm a 6k hour player. I'm a streamer. As soon as I show I know how to play as effectively as you can against nurse these nurse players suddenly change the subject.
Plenty of other players out there who have shown they can play as well against her as well, who say she is broken/OP. Not sure what you're trying to argue, it's just wrong.
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How does that excuse her being overpowered? Billy and huntress take equal if not more skill to master yet can’t break the fundamentals of dbd like nurse does
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I play her occasionally on console and 4K every game I don't really know why her kill rates are so bad. She is so different from other killers so I quess people can't adapt. I would say nurse is easier on console than oni or blight if you use their power for example.
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That means what? We know that starter-nurses dont get kills, and once they hit a certain skill threshold, they make up the kill statistics for most nurses alone. Left high-skill killing machines alone because they are balanced by low killrates from people who havn´t mastered them yet?
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How would it be easier to balance around killers like nurse than killers like huntress or demo?
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God bless these guys... They have 0 idea what they're talking about...
Dude, look. The only extremely op and hard to balance with perks things are her range addons and her blink attacks being like usual M1 attacks that can apply an exposed effect. Thats it.
You don't need nurse to be completely reworked or removed from a game, just because YOU think so.
Did you played nurse by any time? Have you actually won a match with nurse against decent survivors who knows how to juke her?
Your whole post makes me think like you haven't even touched her. You've no idea what are you talking about.
I want people try her first without range addons and without exposed perks. And then talk about reworking killers who's too op. Not from only survivors point of view who have 0 idea how to deal with her.
After update I constantly see survivors camping a pallets or vaulting against nurse. And then they complaining in the end game chat.
I see survivors not even trying to doubleback or missdirect her, they just going Shift+W without even looking back and hearing her blink being charged. And what they do? They complain again! They don't know how to play against her that they just whining in chats about.
Dear OP, please take your time to watch some of these:
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Yes they have been debunked constantly in everything thread counter plays are discussed some simple and some in great detail. Even some have links to YouTube videos HOW to counter her.
It's the "NeRf NuRsE" players scrambling to do something....hence why everyday there's a new Nerf Nurse...Nurse Should Be Deleted....or my favorite is Nurse is a No Skill Killer threads pop up.
Does she need some minor changes yes she does.
•Add-On rework
•Change her Blink attack from a basic to a special
•Have the Doc check out that horrible wheezing she does I'm worried about her health.
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Nurse with 1 blink would be C- tier. Thats not a nerf.
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The Problem whit Nurse that makes her so strong sie is the only Killer that didnt Care about the awful Map Design
She doesnt care if the Map is to big she doesnt care if die Map is full of paletts or Save loops,she doesnt care if the Main Building is busted becasue of the many windows that makes her so strong
The only Thing i Really would nerf about Nurse is that 1 shot perks like hounted grounddoesnt activated when she hit some1 after the Blink her blink should count as a Special Attack
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I mean i am kinda average at nurse and to me at least closed maps like the treatment theatre is extremely hard.
Maybe its a skill issue but if we are talking maps, closed maps with a ton of clutters that make blinking really hard or eat up blinks altogether and a ton of line of sight breakers is kinda hard.
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In the current state of the game, it wouldnt. Sadly, BHVR current vision is to favorise Casual & New Players experience to optimize their retention and cosmetics sells. On the opposite, "serious" games such like LOL balance stuff around high MMR and Pro Play. See the difference ? In DBD there is no rules, everything is mixed.
I think the problem (beside the asymmetrical nature of the game) is having so much release to fit an agenda. BHVR don't even care about balance, they just try to reduce the gap so it's "Kind of balanced" so players keep playing, strictly depending on statistics.
Maps arent balanced, tiles spawn and RNG elements arent balanced. The more years pass, the more it's a mess. We just have to accept this game is a goofy party game that FOR NOW is not balanced nor competitive, in a serious way.
Optimally, everything should have to be constantly updated, but I doubt that's the vision of BHVR. Look at Myers, Freddy... So much outdated perks and addons that serve absolutely no purpose... A broken MatchMaking with zero transparency. No tutorial or tools to help new players to understand the basics of the game and get better, tons of exploits in the game, cheaters & hackers...
There is so much more to do, than talking about "NuRsE iS Op OmG NeRf". Tho, I hope the 6.1 type of work becomes more recurrent.
Nurse, like Blight, is a treasure that brings something new mechanically. Look at Sadako/Dredge/Freddy - Myers/Ghostface - Deathslinger/Huntress/Nemesis ... Only derivative products of each other.
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Ah yeah a graph of kill rates across the board. Now show me the data for higher MMR nurses and then we can talk. Global data doesn't mean anything when there's plenty of bad nurses. I want the stats for higher tier where the best nurses are, since THOSE have plenty of 3-4k's every match. Global data doesn't mean anything when you have people mixed in who just started learning her
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In terms of killer balance nurse is currently by far the biggest issue. I do agree that maps should be prioritised at the moment though
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Nothing new, then? The same old stuff that everyone has said is useless for everyone except players new to facing nurse? All that stuff?
Yeah..
It's actually so silly that these nurse defenders try to tell people who know the game much better than they do how to play against Nurse. It's all common knowledge at this point. Stop lying and saying people just don’t want to learn how to play against Nurse. It is so insincere. Just a cop-out.
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Firstly while I don't play as much as I used to I've always mained Nurse and always played her without addons - That's how I felt she was balanced. At one point yes I felt that Nurse was okay in terms of balance - If survivors were all on the same page and read her you could play around her and win even if she was pretty good granted it was hard. However the two issues is she excels at picking off the weak link on a team and if survivors are not on the same page she will wipe a team - She was never hard to pick up just hard to master.
At the same time though I feel the game is constantly evolving and unfortunately the game is in a balancing act of limiting itself on what it can add to the game. You either add really strong perks that help the worse off killers and make Nurse busted or nerf potentially good perks into the ground just to make sure Nurse stays in check. At the same time the game has evolved enough to where Nurse has so many tools at her disposal that it is admittedly frustrating to play against a good Nurse because a single mistake from a survivor against her can easily allow Nurse to snowball a single down into a victory.
That being said - Dead By Daylight is constantly evolving. However Nurse is not progressing with DBD and as much as it pains me to say it Nurse is holding back the rest of the game. I love playing her and will always cherish the memories I had playing her because she truly is a unique character to this game - I would agree it's time to rework her even if it means getting rid of her blink or drastically reworking how her blink functions.
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Then is sounds like you have no idea how to loop her and deal with her and want to blame everyone else who tries to help that they don't know what they are talking about.
Here's another suggestion play as Nurse and find out for yourself that she's not as OP as you believe she is. Her Blink is not absolute and she has many weaknesses that can be exploited to loop her. Most players just want to use the same old strategies that they use on 90% of the Killer Roster and call OP when those strats dont work against them.
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Yes, I remember watching a video of you playing against the nurse; your moves are really cool to see and I think a lot of players who complain about the nurse should take inspiration from it 😉
I also remember you saying that you used to play with the same people a lot, and some of those people managed to win against your team. I don't doubt their ability to master the nurse, but that's more like saying you're less strong than those nurses, not that the nurse in general is OP.
In fact, when I ask people (not u) who complain about the nurse to prove that she is too strong by showing how they play against her, it's to make them understand that if they get crushed by her, it's also maybe (probably) because they are not that good ...
And as for this last point, the fact that they never dare to show their gameplay on video is, I think, the proof.
The nurse is indeed not affected by the same things as the other killers.
However.
A nurse will hate some very tight LTs, which on the one hand break her LOS, and on the other hand, are sometimes complex for her tp.
A nurse will hate some main buildings (hello Crotus Prenn, hello RCPD, hello Lery, hello saloon, hello mother's house), etc.
"Stop lying and saying people just don’t want to learn how to play against Nurse."
If they really want to make progress against the nurse, let them dare to show us their gameplay when they play against her.
I'm sure some people will go and criticize them for free (which I don't condone), but I know others would be happy to give them valuable advice on how to do it.
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I've already posted video on here proving I know exactly what I'm doing when facing a nurse. I've already posted video on here proving I know exactly how to play as nurse. I wouldn't be surprised if I have more hours on Nurse than you do.
All high level players I've talked to agree Nurse is OP. Top players all say the same. Top players who stream.
And yet, I've never seen a single person who isn't a nurse main say nurse isn't OP. And i've never seen a single person in these threads defending nurse show any gameplay to show they know what they are doing. Cause the thing is, as soon as they show their gameplay everyone will know they aren't nearly as good as they think, and they haven't come even close to realizing how strong nurse is. The lot of them are boosted by Nurse's mechanics, holding on to the idea that they deserve to be at whatever mmr they are (they probably don't). So hey, where is your gameplay?
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Unless you know all the DbD players, the fact that some of them tell you "Nurse is OP" does not mean that she is...
On the other hand, in the same way that I ask those who complain that the nurse is OP to show how they play against her ...
... I would be curious to see these same people playing the nurse.
If she is really OP, they should be able to take down any team, right?
Let them show us, then.
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I was only talking about you, I know you have a lot of content online.
Besides, you yourself say that most players make you look good because they actually suck. So ... if they come and say you are OP, what would you say to them? That they are getting better? Well, that's kind of what you say to people who cry about the nurse.
Maybe some big players can't stand the fact that a killer can be more powerful than them, but that doesn't mean that said killer is too strong.
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But: Freddy needs a 2nd rework or at least an massive Addon-Pass. As soon as possible. His current state is disgusting.
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Not sure if this is still a thing, but I hope to find out when I play a bit this afternoon: does she suffer from _lightburn_ still?
The reason I'm interested is that, of all the debating back and forth, this isn't mentioned as one way of taking her on.
From what I remember, if you shine a light on her she cannot charge her power at all, so can be useful if needing an extra second or 2 to find cover. Also, if you time it right when she's charging, shining a light at her can result in her being stunned, like Wraith. Apparently, you don't need to aim for the face neither.
Obviously, this is a small bit to countering her out of all the debating, but thought I'd add this in case people weren't aware. By the way, this is not a post saying she should or shouldn't be changed - her add-ons could do with a once-over - but for now it may help.
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Nurse.. overpowered? Not by any means. Did you miss the graph above your comment, showing official data that she has the lowest kill rate for one of the highest picked killers? Sounds more likely to me that she reveals the skill issues for both roles.
But y’all keep holding W and predropping; if you don’t point and hook suicide or DC first.
Also, I could argue that those two killers “break” DbD in their own ways. Hillbilly moves base speed, yet gets a speed increasing one-shot power that can also break pallets. On top of that, it gives him extremely high map mobility - greater than Nurse. Huntress can ranged camp (get hits and downs while camping or protect the hook from afar) and also get other ranged hits and downs out in the open. Nurse can’t do those things!
You ready to nerf them into oblivion too?
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Billy already was nerfed to oblivion. I've faced like 2 in the past month. And thats a miracle. Huntress they are "satisfied" with since when they did her and demo she didn't really get any changes but exhaustion hatchets. Pre nerf besides instasaw billy was labeled one of the fairest killers in the game. Since he had the most gameplay from both sides. Each loop being equal opportunity. Nurse isnt even close.
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Until SWF will remain a global feature and it won't be relegated in custom matches, the nurse can stay.
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Always the same survivor mains complaining about Nurse whilst I get the good survivor mains in-game who know how to fight a Nurse and know areas on maps where the blink bugs out and forces a short 0.5-meter blink whilst they run around the obstacle knowing I can't blink through it.
I don't see them crying after a game, props to them for being good survivors and not forum criers.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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One of FIVE
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Agreed, with the #metoo movement she has no place in the game right now
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Hillbilly and huntress both have to play around windows and pallets nurse doesn’t it’s that simple really. Huntress has to reload and hillbilly has an overheat system. Billy is punished much more a mistake and can’t snowball as effectively due to this mechanic. Huntress may have to leave chase to reload which can be a huge punishment compared to nurse fatigue + Cooldown (Which can be basically negated by add ons anyway)
Stats mean nothing, otherwise Pinhead is the best killer in the game and Freddy is actually decent which are both objectively wrong statements
Sure nurse can’t instadown or get hits from range but what she can do is get a hit in a chase regardless of what the survivors do to try and counter it. No other killer in the game can do such a thing. Combine this already insane ability with perks and add ons and it’s just plain overpowered
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The topics about the nurse always come down to the same thing.
1) someone comes crying "The ugly nurse is too strong, you have to nerf her!"
2) someone (often me) responds "Ok, you say she's too strong, can you show us on video how you play against her?"
3)....The end.
Alternative:
4) someone comes up and says that some streamers think she is OP.
Except that well, just because X or Y says she's OP doesn't mean she is.
I confirm!
About a week ago, I was in part, I had just hit a survivor, I start loading my tp to go back on it, and then another survivor lit up my back.
Not the face, not even from the side, the back.
After 1s or 2, my tp was stopped, and I went into fatigue 🤣
So yes, people, think about the light, nurses fear it very much 😜
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Don't talk to me about horses, it reminds me of Maurice 😫
Maurice ... we miss you! 😥
THIS is an important subject.
GIVE US BACK MAURICE! 😣😣😣😣
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I see clickers all the time but they rather click at me than actually use their flashlight to be effective vs a nurse.
Guess they rather try to piss people off instead of winning and then making a forum post.
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