BHVR just killed Hag.
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Hag mains dont play with add-ons or play with brown ones unless theyre trying to go for a specific build :)
I've been playing hag since 2018
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There's not many good Hags that dont trap the basement or hooks and camp. Mitchi Is one good hag that comes to mind (prolly spelled name wrong been awhile). So yeah I'm glad as well. Because basically now people like Mitchi arent affected and campers are.
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Think it was killer mains complaining about holding M1 not survivors lol
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That's fine, im godlike at dbd but i main killer (means if something was on the line for $$$ i'd play killer side) and Hag is one of my strongest Killers with a high from mid high mmr and one of my mains!
Speaking of Hag i just had a game where i bodied (4k) a team with Body Block Hag!
Hag mains very much play with her add-ons so i dont know where that disinformation comes from! We definitely use her add-ons which are strong outside purple and iri.
Why on earth would you not want to use add-ons in the current meta? Unless your playing Nurse or doing a special challenge it makes no sense! You will most likely lose!
Yeah we're the few out there! Make no mistake she's top tier for sure at A+. My argument is that people are saying Dergdges teleporting ability is better than Hag's and its not.
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No good reason for her to be 4.4 anymore, but watch as she's not changed to compensate for the fact that her whole deal has been dismantled and she joins the ever-growing pile of unplayable killer options.
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You just proved my point, this is a build this hag was using.
I either run no add-ons, or brown distance and Phantasm duration. I dont run anything else because i dont need it. I dont put my traps in narnia where i cant teleport. My web is within range
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Proved what point!? What build what Hag was using?
You dont need x to win with Hag, fine i only use her strong add-ons so what's the point of bringing this up?
Hag's teleporting ability is better than Dredges! This is not my opinion this is a fact!
Huh? What you said makes absolutely no sense you "cant" make her 4.6 without some sort of balance for this! Same as Huntress and Nurse, they get 4.6 or faster movement speed with add-ons but at the cost of something. Your suggesting 4.6 with her same power and kit, you cant do that thats way too op!
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Hag is perfectly fine! People are over exaggerating! Its "one" perk with a huge rarity of encounter that's not even a guarantee win on Hag.
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I can tell you're a Dredge fan, always protecting him. If you were playing hag as much as you claim, you would know what her issues are and how she is not better than dredge.
Fact is, Hag is neglected by the devs due to her lack of popularity, always have been and always will be. She is bugged, and needs balance updates.
The only reason she got a rework years go is that Matthew got bullied while playing Hag on live stream. That was the first and last time she got attention by the devs
She doesn't need huge changes, but few things would be really helpful to her, such as a huge bug fix overhaul, speed change - to regular killer speed, a slight increase to her teleportation distance as a base kit(not a big deal if it doesn't happen but would be good), change to how flashlights affect her traps - nowadays you just need to do click-click and trap gone. Back in the day destroying a trap to leech out a lot of charges to the flashlight, this needs to be back.
People complain that Hags bring Franklin's and of course they do, when just a yellow flash can destroy her whole web twice at minimum. It is of little consequence how much charge is taken to destroy a trap, and it can completely destroy her power in a match, like toolboxes used to on Trapper.
And as I think I mentioned devs claimed they do not want survivors to completely disarm a killer's power which is why bear traps can't be destroyed by toolboxes, yet the devs forgot about hag and flashlights.
Her add-ons as mentioned are boring and useless. She doesn't need yellow or green benefits, the brown ones are more than fine. Devs can do so much with her in adding other add-ons and it would make her more interesting not only to play as but also face
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Here's what you "don't" know, Dredge is one of my stronger killers and one of my mains! Now with that being said yes Hag is very much better than Dredge "and" she's better at teleporting period!
She's better but its debatable "how much" better she is. You cannot give Hag 4.6 or 115% movement without taking something away from her first, its called proper balancing.
While your at it why don't you suggest Huntress get 4.6 on default without add-ons lol! Ludicrous!
I agree with you that her bugs (sound etc) need fixing but thats about it. Buffing her movement speed is "not" proper balance.
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By your logic, Dredge should also get his base speed reduced, since he has normal killer speed, but then again, you wouldnt agree for your main to get nerfed right :)
You're very biased and it shows. You also dont play hag or not enough to have an objective opinion on how she is doing in the current state of the game.
She has had no changes since 2018, but why care about that or want her to be looked at?You don't play her
Enjoy your Dredge, make posts about how much he needs a buff. I'm sure you won't say no to that.
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You dont know how my mind works! No i would not reduce Dredge's movement speed, why would i do that? Dont make stuff up just to enforce your narrative! I speak in plain language!
I am not biased and if i "was" a developer or worked for a fighting game company i very much would know how to properly balance them! Biasness will always turn out bad for games in terms of its overall balance so why would i do that?
I am "not" biased and your claim about "it shows" in fact shows nothing. You are trying to paint a picture to put me in a negative light, dont do that because i see right through that. People do the very things you are doing all the time so dont for a moment think that you can manipulate the topic to put yourself in a good light because that wont work with me either, im far too intelligent for that.
How do you know anything about how much i play and woth who? You don't so cut it out, now your gaslighting! The only time i'll staye an opinion on something is if i feel very strongly about it and you making up stuff and without even knowing what your talking about, you will get called out for it by people like me, nice try though!
Once again your "i dont play her" is meritless and of course false and wrong! Stop assuming things and making stuff up to fit your narrative.
Finally i am not one of these "kids" (a mentality) on here! I don't care whether Dredge is nerfed or buffed im still gonna play him. Your statements and comments may go over with unintelligenable people but not with me! Your social ability is lacking now if you want to keep on back and forth like this we can but we're getting no where just to let you know and fast!
If i have an opinion i will state that something is my opinion and if it is fact i will state it as such.
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So me stating facts is manipulating and gaslighting? Ok
Let me clarify, you don't want the Dredge to lose base speed, but you don't mind him getting nerfed? Ok, makes sense. You want a killer to have the ultimate teleporting power with 0 consequence, teleport whilst in a chase, power that reveals the location of the survivors, stealth power, secondary power AND base killer speed, but a killer with limited teleportation and required set up for said power to work with base killer speed, that's not ok? That killer should be slower?
Let me remind you that I stated my opinion on this topic, which you started commenting on, arguing on and trying to push your opinion onto me. I'm not one to budge. I stated my opinion and my reasons for my opinion multiple times, which you dismantled because it doesn't fit your opinion and your narrative and you try to push your thoughts which you have yet to specify the reason for.
And with that all said, it looks like you're the one that is trying to manipulate and with your last comment, I can say that you're trying to gaslight me. See how easy it is to throw around such statements.
This is not a personal attack towards you. I stated my opinions, I elaborated on my opinions, and I stay behind and protect my opinions.
Again, you started arguing my opinion, so own up to it.
I'm only protecting my opinion, sharing my viewpoints and my impressions, which I am free to share.
And don't talk to me about intelligence :) Let's not insult each other
Keep in mind that this is a forum where people share their thoughts and protect their opinions. If you're not up to that, don't comment, don't go against other people's personal opinions. Of course, they will defend them.
You're free to disagree, but you go into a 2-day rant and then try to put on me
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This is my final post to you because you are not comprehending what is being said to you..
I said "I dont care whether Dredge gets nerfed or not im still gonna play him" I dont know where you got "that killer should be slower"? As you rhetorically asked me this and the obvious sensible answer is no.
I am not "pushing my opinion on you" lol people man...I am stating opinions as opinions and facts as facts, take that for what it is, you either agree with "my opinion" or you dont its not complicated but your trying to complicate things. If you want indepth explanations then ask and i will do so.
The tea pot is calling the kettle black. You say im writing a 2 day rant when im not "ranting" at all. I dont agree with your opinions and you dont agree with mines so we'll leave it at that.
This all started because you said Hag's teleport is not as good as Dredges and i said its mucg better than you said Hag is weaker than Dredge and i said you are wrong! I play both killers very well but you make unmerrited comments like "you dont know or play Hag" How did you expect me to react to that?
Its like saying to a random person "you dont drink no water or very little". The person (who btw drinks plenty of water unbeknownst to you) will look at you like ypur crazy bc you dont know "anything" about that person. So why would you make such a statement like that?
Of course we are all entitled and express our opinions but when it came to me you made comments that you shouldn't have because you weren't really thinking about what you were saying, or you say those things to others and it goes over they're head or they wont say anything about it or call you out on it and i did and do!
Lets just agree to disagree im done!
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You either didn't read what I wrote or you didn't comprehend it in its entirety. That has been the trend since this all started. You're also contradicting yourself a lot. I've answered all your questions on my opinion, I've elaborated and explained, and repeated.
My opinions are not personal to you and are always based on facts, my experience, what I've been told by other Hag mains, my impressions and based on the information you provided on your knowledge on this situation.
If you want to stop, ok. We call truce
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Like i said before this thread is misleading and or disinformation because Hag is fine and BHVR "did not" butcher Hag because of "one" perk! I said what i had to say on this and that's that.
Hag is a top tier killer! Always has and potentially always will be unless she gets nerfed which i believe she wont at all and because top Hag's like myself exist!!
MYC and Franklin's arent "needed" to win with Hag because i've proved this many times. I don't need either of these perks to win with her but they "are" good perks to have on her, im not denying that!
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Hag is not butchered but she is not fine and needs some attention from the devs. Her more prominent issues are her bugs and flashlights. If you want, we can do a custom match, so you can see how bad it is )
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Survivors hate all killers and would rather not have any in game and just do gens ,walk out and pat each other on the back.
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I am not going to try and explain why exactly people do not like going against Hag. In my case, it's probably just that chases against her are very boring, because you either trigger a trap, and get hit, or not, and get chased by a 110 movement killer. And in particular because she is such a camping master
Hag is not very beloved, simple as that. And I have no idea how survivors not enjoying holding w is an argument that they should actually enjoy going against Hag? Not even sure how that is related?
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In the least mean way possible -
"oh no the camping killer can't camp as good :((((("
Hag (and imo Trapper as well, set up killers just lead to bad matches) need reworked
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No they dont especially not Hag, they're fine and Trapper got buffed already. I rarely lose with Hag despite the map, she's fine!
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You can be sick of facing the same killers just like you can be sick of playing the same map. Hag in and of herself is not the issue, its the camping nature of most hag players which people find tedious to play against. Yanno, the whole point devs gave basekit BT?
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I´m not going to try and explain how more variety, killers, strategies, different approaches, etc are a good thing.
Or how doing the same thing over and over becomes stale and boring.
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Everybody knows that more variety is a good thing, but the different gameplay that allows for more variety still needs to be fun, or people won't care about the higher variety. Simple as that.
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What isn´t fun about jump scares from unexpected traps?
Just because survivors have to use the ctrl button for something else than showing their appreciation of the killer, doesn´t mean that it isn´t fun to crouch.
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I don't find her fun because she is a camping god and because to me, her chases aren't very interesting or interactive. The counterplay to her is to not run into a trap, which you can not control a lot, and then she is just a 110% M1 killer, which is beyond boring, because that part poses no challenge what so ever.
I wouldn't be surprised if many other people disliked her for the same or similar reasons. But it does seem like a majority of the community just doesn't enjoy going agains her. That's simply how it is. So I don't think she is the type of killer people would be happy to verse more often.
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Wait... you can´t control crouching?
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Dude, come on. It's fine if you do not agree with many people that Hag is unfun to go against. I even support that. Killers will always be subjective, so even the less popular killers still have people that like them very much, even when going against them. It's something that also should always be kept in mind if such killers ever receive changes.
But your attempts to ridicule people that do not enjoy going against certain killers are getting a bit laughable. The fact you have to slow ass croutch towards a survivor on hook is one of the reasons she has her camping potential. Yes, if survivors can time it right, they might get an unhook right when she has a good distance to the hooked survivor. If they don't, well because survivors move so slowly towards the hooked survivor, that already gives her more time to go away and then back to the hooked survivor.
But even if you time the unhook perfectly, Hag gets a notification, and you and the other survivor have to crouch away from the hook, slow ass once again, or you trigger the trapper, allowing her to teleport right on top of you. Which gives her good time to just go back to the hook.
And before you say that isn't camping, whatever. It has the similar effect of camping a hooked survivor because they can get back to the hooked survivor much easier, and then tunnel them much easier.
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I´m not trying to ridicule you or anyone who doesn´t agree with me. Its just that there once was a time, where Urban Evasion was meta. People used it to hide from the killer instead of just running in circles.
Urban Evasion is the perfect counter to Hag. But i understand that not everyone wants to run this perk, since Hag is such a rare sight.
Triggering the traps disarms them. So the best advice to make a unhook save is, to run in (guns blazing) and trigger every possible trap, only to run out again, with the Hag behind. While someone else gets the now safe unhook.
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good for them.
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