Is Hag really that irritating to play against?
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Traps dont trigger when you unhook, unless your buddy buddy that youre saving is not crouching over the trap in question
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thought that was the case, maybe it's the person im unhooking then.
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Amm, no.=) Even if hag put a trap under the hook, survivors can do a safe unhook without triggering it by crouching. It only works if BOTH survivors are insta-crouching.
I'm not gonna lie, it was so hilarious to see a crouching survivor going for unhook, while there were no traps under the hook, and I was just watching them from a excavator. xD
They were not horrible, I wouldn't say that, but they were pretty lazy. Some of my traps were really hard to spot, since I hid them in the objects like grass. But there were traps a little beside windows in a clear view. Like there is no way you don't see that trap it's full in the open. And they still triggered it - got hit, went to a near pallet, with another trap in the grass. -_- To me, they were just being lazy and played carelessly.
Tho 2 survivors at the beggining were trying to get my attension by triggering a trap and running away, clicking the flashlight while doing so. They were clearly confident and underestimated the killer.
I've had Franklin's, their flashy's were gone after 1 hit and never return, since I put a trap on them instantly, they couldn't manage to take them back.=)
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It sucks because Hag is one of the strongest proxy campers in the whole game and thats what most Hags do, hook someone, lay a minefield around the hook and wait until someone triggers one and while there is some counterplay by crouching its not really counterplay because either you run and activate a trap or you crouch and she arrives before you get out of the minefield after an unhook.
I honestly believe Hag should be one of the few Killers to not be able to use her power at least 16 meters of a hooked Survivor.
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"I just don't understand how Hag is so "irritating" to play against comparing her to other "irritating" killers like Nurse."
I'll be happy to show you with a simple thought exercise. Let's play a KYF game where I play trapper and you will forfit the game if you disarm my traps if you are not holding a toolbox (this will simulate only being able to remove hag traps via flashlight). We will follow tournament rules where no items/perks/characters may be repeated. That means only 1/4 of the team at most will be able to disarm my traps. One of my 4 perks will be Franklins Demise; if you don't see the problem already then I could stop right there.
In short Hag was "balanced" to make her stronger but ignoring the fact that she's not "fair" or fun to play against. She can run Franklins to destroy flashlights and is one of the only killers in the game that needs an item to counter her power. Hag needs a "fair play" balance change where survivors can scratch out her traps by crouching and interacting with them. Also she should not be able to place a trap within ~10m of a hook.
Those two changes would require you to be cunning with Hag in order to win instead of allowing you to be cheap because you can deny unhooks.
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If that's the case, then survivors should be able to sabotage trapper's bear traps like it was in the past.
Devs have said they dont want survivors to be able to do that. Its bad enough flashlights take no effort or charges to destroy her traps. You can step on her traps to destroy them. You can crouch to avoid them.
There are plenty of things you can do, but you need to use brain when playing vs Hag, especially if it's a Hag main.
Holding W and spamming space is not enough. There are ways to trigger traps and not get slapped by Hag, there are timings in which you can freely step on her traps, you can see them in most places.
Good survivors can win vs hag with no issues, even if its a Hag main they've playing against
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Most that play Hag do this because they dont know how else to use her power. Experienced hags will either put 1 trap or no trap at all at hooks. And when you think about it if there is a 16 meter restriction, you will need to crouch more to avoid triggering a trap. It would actually be harder on survivors
When you know there is 1 trap right at the hook, its easy to counter
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"then survivors should be able to sabotage trapper's bear traps like it was in the past."
No one is asking for that - because no one is asking for flashlights to permanently destroy Hag traps (as in reduce her count permanently).
"You can step on her traps to destroy them"
Needing an item to silently remove the traps without triggering them would remove the associated "camping noob" title that usually gets attributed to Hag. Imagine if we made a new killer whose power had no effect if you were holding a map ( think green lantern vs yellow objcets). I would just dodge all lobbies while playing that killer if someone had a map.
Hag is cheap. She is built on catch 22 tactics that are not ever fun to play against unless you're in a KYF lobby and everyone brings a flashlight against a Hag who is not bringing Frankins.
Letting people scratch out traps with no item would be 100% on par with being able to disarm beartraps without an item.
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You play that sticky girl and you play her well!
Much of what I came here to say has been said. Hag is rare, so people tend to lose their minds, especially if you bring franklins. I quite enjoy a hag game, but then I chose Nea to level up first when I started DBD and urban evasion made facing her a breeze. Even better, you don't trap the hooks which is one of the bigger complaints and I guess I can understand that, but even then, how many times do you need to be told to crouch when you're unhooked before you get the message?
I get why a fair few hate her, but I do love the old gal popping up from the ground like a violent daisy <3
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A yellow flashlight can destroy a trap in a second with 0 effort and basically no charge taken off the flashlight. Play Hag a bit, and you will see where the issue with that lies.
I gave an example with Trapper because the fact is back in the day, you didn't only disarm traps, you could sabotage them, and it could destroy the Trapper in a match. This was changed for the Trapper's benefit.
Same thing with Hag.
I never said flashlights should not be a method of destroying traps, but there should be a penalty like losing a lot of charges when doing that, or the traps taking 2-3 seconds to get destroyed by a flashlight.
A yellow flash alone can destroy around 20 traps, that's an entire web twice. In the past, before all the flashlight changes, a yellow flash would destroy no more than 5 traps. Do you see the significance here?
Think about that from the killer side. Survivors have plenty of other counter options, and the fact is Hag is the only killer in this game with so many counters to her power.
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Yes, but I would never shame the player for playing her as it's not their fault that her design allows her to be a really strong camper. It's a gameplay issue, not a player issue.
I will say though, I've never gone against a Hag who doesn't just spam traps around a hooked survivor and then just play hook-swap for the whole game. It's just super boring and predictable, so I'm glad you don't seem to go against her all too often anymore. I think a simple fix would be to block her from trapping within a reasonable distance from the hook.
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Hag is horrible to play against but that's nothing to do with the player. Those guys are just your stereotypical whining survivors. The two BNPs and map offerings speaks for itself. These are the win at all costs or cry like babies about it survivors.
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Killers and survivors alike are just people who get frustrated when they lose.
But it is odd that SWF, with its 4 items and excellent add-ons and map designations, would bother to bump it up to you after the match.
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"Play Hag a bit, and you will see where the issue with that lies."
Trapper could only wish to have it so easy. If a flashlight is required to remove a trap then maybe it should remove the trap forever. That would be fair - or we can just have it so you can remove traps by hand.
"Do you see the significance here?"
Traps should be able to be scratched out by hand. Do you not understand?
"Hag is the only killer in this game with so many counters to her power."
There is one viable counter that can be used and it is an item that the killer can take away from you.
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You're saying she's boring but you just talk about camping hook or trap spamming hook, which only bad Hags do, and which any killer can do.
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She shouldn't be irritating to play against. 1-2 people mess up her traps and the others do gens. She can't win against that.
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So by your messaging, it would appear that you've never played Hag, you have no clue how her power works, and you don't know how to face her as a survivor. You're not interested in educating yourself before making commentary, but you would love to spat out empty words. Good on you, but not worth my time :)
Google Hag, her gameplay and how to counter her. If you don't want to, stick to Trapper
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I've seen some of the very best players play Hag and play against her. If you place traps in correct areas you can't do anything about the traps unless you have an exhaustion perk like sprint. You can risk running through traps if she is "busy" but she might teleport to you and hit you.
If the Hag misplaces a trap you can trigger them through a window - but that's a misplay and not really relevant.
I don't even want to play Trapper - you're missing the point. Hag has some of the most boring gameplay where she can do things that have no counterplay unless you have a flashlight.
Example:
Place survivor on hook. Trap all entrances to hooked area. Trap hook directly. Stay relatively close and wait for unhook. If they run the trap is triggered and you hit them. If they duck past the traps you run to the hook and hit them. That is what we call a catch 22.
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I do not appreciate any killer who has superior camping capabilities
Yes, she is far less of a problem due to basekit BT, but that doesnt make it any more interesting or fun to go against.
Does anyone ever go "I love crouching for extended periods of time!"
Maybe those certain Nea players do, but we hate them.
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See I trap Gens but I use Ear/Shackle Grandma for those sweet sweet jump scares.
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