im starting to understand why everyone camps and tunnels
wanna know why, BECAUSE EVERY GAME IN HIGH MMR IS SWF
every game. EVERY SINGLE ONE THEM, and all with borderline 2k 3k hours on dbd
like seriously what type of game am i suppose to play when i don't even get the chance, no wonder nurse is being spammed, seriously can u play a single game without 4 gen regression perks?
im sorry but im gonna start tunneling too, yes im casual but to wait 4 mins just to face swf every time is really not worth playing nicely, and yes just because i play casually doesn't mean i don't wanna win (something this community will NEVER understand)
MMR was probably the worst idea to ever grace dbd, mmr works for pvp games with balance things, this game is far from balanced AND ITS 4 V 1 yes i wanna play against a bit of competent survivors but to get punished for playing GOOD is something beyond my understanding
wanna know the worst part, TTVS are actually streaming with their cheater friends...yes i've seen it im not gonna name any because i already reported them (no answer so far) but seriously we reached the point of people streaming cheaters and not getting banned, that's something i've never seen
and honestly soloQ players are just the victims of this, swf is seriously seriously a giant problem in this game and when people say just limit it only duo
yOu gOnNa pUnIsH PlAyErS FoR HaViNg fRiEnDs?
so u enjoy going against a nurse and getting camped and tunneled every game? (clearly not since everyone is complaining about it)
i've always played nicely since i started playing this game, always saying that survivors need to play the game too, but honestly, what's the point, yes they are playing the game but what's the point of letting them play if they are just gonna end the game in 5 mins and go wait for 10 seconds in queue while i wait another 4 mins
PS : keep the "skill issue" or "git gud" to yourself, ty
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And thus, the cycle continues.
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I'm sorry but nice gameplay just doesn't work anymore
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Like I said before , killers need an option for opt out of swf groups with 3 or 4 people. Group of 2 is not a problem.
Or simply put , if there are 3/4 friends playing together then there is a chance they might be using voice chat which gives them a big advantage so killer should get a small buff when facing organized teams.
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To be clear, I'm not judging you. I do the same sometimes - although I try to minimize it by not caring whether I "win" or "lose" and more fooling around.
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Me enjoy mid MMR by 8 hooks and let people go, depends on how good survivors.
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tbh i don't even get the chance of fooling around, i chase one person and 3 gens pop, like how do i even play with any build but gen regression
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i really like your name xd
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SWF, especially when they want to be a pain, is... a pain.
However, I'm entirely on the side of "don't punish people for having friends".
Honestly, I would just make it so that SWFs are given "Virtual MMR". Every person in the group increases their collective MMR by a set amount. This would make it so they get paired with harder and harder killers based on how many people are in the group. If the SWF is low-mid range, they wouldn't be dealing with the top killers online at the moment, but they would have a bit more of a challenge to deal with. Higher MMR groups would be paired up against the sweatiest killers available at the time.
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You are most likely not high MMR. The amount of Threads indicate that you struggle a lot with the game, which is probably a you-problem. But yeah, not high MMR, 100% sure of that.
People camp and tunnel because it is the most effective playstyle. And it is very easy to do currently.
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That is one thing I’ve learned, playing like a jerk is a much smoother path to victory. Once I stop trying to spread out the hook counts, stop immediately hooking folks I down, stop letting hook trades happen, stop trying to make everyone have fun, etc. my killer games are much more consistently victories.
I don’t do it often since I do feel a bit jerkish but sometimes I have some bad matches with particularly smug survivors. I demand vengeance and don’t care who it comes from. (So long as it’s not bunny Feng. I could never be that mad at a bunny Feng)
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A full SWF is the minority of all possible configurations.
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MMR was the worst thing to happen to DBD. The game has not felt the same since. I am punished for being a good killer by being given endless sweaty and toxic swfs. Super fun.
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my dude i get SWF 100% of the time and only people 1k and 2k hours, and i know im high mmr because i don't struggle against survivors but since yesterday something really screwed my games, and i know my mmr on sadako is ultra high is become i used to her to climb to iri last reset always getting 4ks and 3ks even against the hardest survivors, but what's confusing is the fact after reaching iri 1 i started messing around and get baby survivors which makes NO SENSE
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dbd is literally the only game that punishes its players for playing right, like i've never seen any game do this before
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But we can't play killer with friends, not even with the twins or legion, we have to play one of them at time
Would be fun, if atleast the twins can be played with a friend, and one using charlotte while the other victor.
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It’s only as easy as the survivor lets it be. It’s not so easy to tunnel, and then camp, a survivor who knows what they’re doing.
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And do you know why people are started play SWF more? Let me think:
- Bullying solo survivors, stomping them.
- Hard tunnelling & camping them.
- Using strongest anti-gen perks.
So it is okey when killers sweat and tryhard but whenever survivors do same thing, evil survivors.
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It wouldn't be all that bad if when in the pre lobby it would show that the survivors are in group play because let me tell you, being a trapper main and going against SWF is nigh impossible to win or even 2k.
It just gives people who wanna play killers that are inherently bad Vs this kind of play a chance to dip out of the game and let a nurse main hop in and ruin their day hehe.
That or let the killer actually be able to switch killers during pre lobby to fit the possibility of a SWF team.
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For me, it goes like this.
Me having skill of 5 playing casual with meme perks, either matched with people who has skill of 3 but try hard, or matched with equal skill.
Players who have skill of 5 but use high Tier addon, tunneling....probably will stomp me extremely hard. But then matched with players with skill of 7-8. And then we have something like this post.
I usually only kill once I have 7-8 hooks. If I still able to 3-4K, survivors surely have much lower skill than me, which certainly I gain MMR due to 3-4K. If not, means they're good enough, Im either stay or gain MMR.
That way I can keep my game fun, still tense enough, not to be too bored vs low MMR
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If you’re a regular player, it seems unlikely you’re facing 4-man SWF every game. That’s like 2% of all games, according to BHVR. But I also know it’s very unlikely you’re facing solo queue players every game, as it’s enormously difficult for solo queue players to reach mid to high MMR. So maybe you are facing a lot of SWFs.
In any case, killers absolutely camp and tunnel at low and mid MMR—quite often. So it’s not really a high MMR thing. Killers do it because it’s super easy, cheap, and allows the game to snowball really fast. Survivors play SWF because they’re very easily crushed as solo queue players. If killers eased up on solo queue players, and stopped sweating/tryharding, then survivors may feel more comfortable solo queueing and you’d see less SWFs at higher MMRs. But because all that matters to killers is the 4K, you get what you’ve got.
In a way, you created this beast. Now you must Nurse it.
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Yeah, that's the point.
Tryharders should play with each other. But op asking for baby survivors while they are tryharding to win. Ofcourse this is not fair, if you are tryhard killer you should play against tryharder survivors.
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Dont forget to do the survey, you gonna love it.
Overall, nice post. It has high mmr, playing against 4man swf every single game, well done
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It is okey to being sweaty. Anyone can do this but then you can't complain about other side when they do same thing against you.
People who is complaining about Nurse & Blight and people who is complaining about SWFs can keep whine. But they should keep this in their mind, that's your reward for being tryharder.
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Swf is the main sole reason all those players are in 'High MMR'
Lot of them would drop to middle card at best without the mic'd advantage.
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You should just do what the pro streamers do.
Derank offstream.
Just start a killer match, do something else, and restart the match if finished. At one point you reach a level of comfort again where you get potatoes, and you can crush them all.
Since i have seen some of the matches those streamers play, and see the quality of their opponents, i belive thats exactly what they do.
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Bet you already tunneled and camped before.
You cant proof that every game is SWF's. Also you will fall down and settle if you would continue to play nice. If you tunnel, you get higher MMR, maybe fall down a little?
Untill you ask or can proof otherwise, there is 0 indicator that survivors are SWF's. The game was designed for SWF's, it just baffles me that Solo Q doesnt have the changes to make it more to SWF's, like aura readings and information. This way you can balance some things better out.
And killers dont have it the worst right now, they got some buffs. Its time that solo q get some buffs.
And since its a forum, skill issue, git gud blahblah. You cant prevent opinions just because you dont like them.
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Oh and dont forget, how do you know you are high MMR?
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I have no doubt that every game in high MMR is SWF. I mean, soloQ players dont have the tools to reach the top in MMR, and bhvr really demolished the soloQ playerbase with patch 6.1.0 so you are guaranteed to find 4-man SWF or 3-man with an incredibly skilled soloQ random.
The thing is that i like to point is that it is not that killers camps or tunnel out of necessity, i must be mid-low mmr and still killer camps and tunnel with 5 gens.
I had bubbas facecamp me for the entire timer, ending the match with 7-8k bp. So they are not because of swf, it is because it is easy to tunnel someone out of the game early and guarantee a 4k with slowdown perks.
Why would you encounter soloQ players if they are being stomped by over opressive nurses and blights? And the devs stating that this is the correct state of the game with survs having 39% chance of escape?
Of course you would only face sweaty swf in hig mmr.
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Ok but, after 2 months since 6.1.0, now, people are using a lot os toolboxes, BNP, prove thyself adn whatever, now, different than 6.1 release gens be flying. I like play Trickster and Deathslinger, 4.4 killers, you think these meta gens kick perk works fine with these killers? This game seems like championship every game. If you try other perks out of meta, you literally will be destroy and its not fun. I this week come back to use corrupt, because every single game i have 2 prove thyselfs. gens arent slow than before. at the mean time, if you try play as survivor, you will be destroied by the killer, because your teammates doesnt do gens or whatever, just healing in the corner
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"i am high mmr cant win because everyone is swf"
high mmr doesnt exist,it's soft capped really low. you're not losing because of SWF. you're losing 90% of your matches due to your mistakes. please.
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SWF doesn't give any advantages!! Killers only lose to them because they played bad!!
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Let's say we accept that mistakes are the cause of losing at a hundred paces.
So what if the minimum for a killer to fight a survivor decently is to not make a single mistake in ability or judgment?
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Mikalea MY DEAR MIKAELA i specifically said i wanna play against competent survivors in my post i do not want baby survivors neither do i want sweaty tryhards, i don't tryhard unless i know that survivors are, if they are chilling i am chilling okie?
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you know there is something called steam and when u check a certain profile u might or might not see the fact that they are friends on Steam, and yes i did tunnel before im not perfect, camping on the other hand im not sure how people find standing around doing nothing fun so no i don't
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not a bad idea tbh
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ah yes and you know that its soft capped how?
and im losing because they are running 4 prove thyself yes that's my mistake for letting them run 4 prove thyself right and im losing because they are on voice chat that's my fault right ?
tbh yes its my fault didn't dodge to begin with
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honestly im not even sure anymore, these guys made me pretty sus since they kept disappearing, i thought they had some sneaky build on but then i saw that and i was like what ? (they are all friends on steam so)
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Well, let's admit that you are fair and chill killer. But are most of people like you? I doubt.
Tunnelling and camping became more stronger and worse after 6.1.0. So now survivors adapted to that. More people started play as SWF. More people started to use genrush builds. Can you blame them? No. At least i can't.
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not i can't blame them, we are both don't know what we are expecting, you either could get a really nice killer or get a sweaty tryhard and same for survivors, but the fact that the 3% of nice survivors and killers are getting punished is really dumb
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4 prove thyselfs are not efficient.
soft cap was announced and it's significant lowering was literally announced by behavior.
you're playing badly,please.
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Bro you just made up a person to get mad about. I'm saying that you're not going up against SWFs every game and even when you do,90% of the time you lose because you played badly.
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Haha. Every single time I go against a comp team, which to be fair is rare. No matter how well I do all I get is salt even though they running the sweatiest builds possible and I'm running bbq, shadowborne and ring/crow. Just makes me sad because I like going against good teams.
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I don’t understand why people think that just because you got stomped it means they are SWF.
Lately I’ve been playing more solo queue and while yes a lot have been trrrible, there is also those people who KNOW what is up. By that I mean they aren’t scared to take a hit or even a down. Needless to say first things killers say is “nice SWF”…
Like I just wanna know at this point what equation are people using to assume “omg another SWF” because doing things that they should be (solo or SWF) isn’t it. I’m starting to think killers like solo bc of how unreliable they are.
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If you're at high MMR, you're playing almost nothing but SWF because solos can't push high MMR because they're held back by bad teammates. I'm routinely matched with 30 to 75 prestige players, 3+ dead hards a lobby, and 1 discordance proc a game. These games are unwinnable. And this is on weak killers like Onryo
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If you dont struggle why are you complaining?
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If I see a lobby with no aura perks and like 1 CoH, 2 PTs it's obviously a SWF. They always deny though "We ArE SoLo" cause it's baby mode. That's not even getting into obvious giveaways like matching cosmetics or names
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That's still speculation though. Which is exactly what I am referring to.
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its how it goes friend. survivors have always had the stronger end of the stick since game launch go watch some 2017 gameplay and see, its been getting better but slowly but survivors bite and claw at every killer buff. I play both sides equally and i know survivor is easy to win stats get dragged down by low mmr and solo players but any competent player will have no problem escaping. Go watch popular streamers they all play both sides and its funny cause they rarely root for survivor buffs cause they know the games survivor sided. the reason all you see is complaining about broken killer stuff is 2 reasons:
- survivor players outnumber killers in terms of voices online its the nature of the game and community being a 4v1 and all there are going to be more survivors to complain that they didn't loop the killer for 5 minutes straight
- most survivors play by themselves and are casual players so they will always think the killers are busted.
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you know when is SWF because u are killer u can "read" the match and you realize how survivor do thing in the same time, who theirs will do that thing now, u think hmm " now, that nea will go to save, because she doesnt hook yet" its difficult to explain here, but, you knows when are solos, because everything is discordinate. In a SWF hex totens, gens, healings, everything happen in a perfect synchrony, solos do not repair gens if TR coming, but SWF will do, because their friend tell him "oohh killer is on me" .And selfish playstyle, none SWF you can see selfishes, 90% solos are selfishes
i play solo and i can see cleary difference on my solo matches compere to my killer matches, i never have matches as killer agaisnt the same experience survivors i have when i play survivor.
its obviously not 100% of time, but certainly is the major percentage. And of course you can solos super coordinates on match, but, this is to much rare.
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Well I can't search profiles if they're cross platform cause console, so that's what I go off of. Solo lobbies you see kindred, bond, alert, empathy, 3+ PTs 3 CoH etc
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