Why do you think people don't play Dredge so much?
For a long time people have wanted a killer who teleports through lockers. Dredge delivered that and more. They feel like an actual monster, has really cool and creative skins, but it seems nobody really cares about them. I say this because I rarely see any streamers or content creators play them and rarely see them around as survivor.
Are they just really underwhelming? Is it an aesthetics thing?
I don't have them unlocked atm, but I really like them from what I've seen.
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It's because, for the most part, the Dredge is a pretty underwhelming Killer. He has a really cool aesthetic and whatnot but none of that matters if your power is mediocre or bad. His anti-loop is horribly lacking as the remnant he leaves behind can be so easily countered that in most scenarios it isn't worth using. His teleport is pretty decent except for the fact that it's incredibly RNG dependent. Sometimes you'll get lockers right next to gens and other times you'll get whole sections of maps where there isn't a single Locker. And his nightfall, while a really nice ability on paper is hurt by the fact that it takes a really long time to activate and when in motion is gone quickly meaning he is heavily reliant on addons like malthinkers skull that make his power activate faster or the puppet which extends his nightfall by 20 seconds. Also forgot to mention but the Dredge is supposed to kinda be a stealth Killer but can't be one because of how extremely loud he is. Nightfalls undetectable doesn't matter because you can hear the noises he makes from miles and miles away.
He's a jack of all masters of none Killer which makes it so he's pretty good at stomping weaker teams but against survivors who know how to counter him he'll probably lose hard or minimum comes out with a 2k with some luck.
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He looks cool but he's not really that good.
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Basekit Dredge is kind of bad and their addons aren't really good.
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He's highly dependent on locker spawns. Tough to want to play a Killer when you don't know if the map is going to help or screw you over.
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I have more fun as Sad-ako...
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I see people here saying the Dredge is weak. That's not true at all. It's a very balanced killer, around Demogorgon's level. The thing is, its power is all about mindgames, so it's a bit tricky to play and map reliable, and a mistake might accidentally teleport you across the map, which can be a little frustrating. But get the timing right, know when to teleport and when to fake it, and the Dredge is a really fun and satisfying killer. Depending on the map, might feel like the second best m1 killer in the game (and only the second because the Cenobite can be really strong with his best add-ons and in the hands of a skilled player).
The only thing I think it's unnecessary and should be changed is the loud directional noise the Dredge emits at close range. It should only make that noise during Nightfall, not the whole time.
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I personally find playing as him ok, but i don't get why should I play dredge instead of playing other killers, he's kind strong, but people locking lockers, and his husk cooldown is pretty annoying, wich makes a big part of playing him unfun
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i am very disappointed cuz of that as well i thought definitely this killer would be played a lot especially after the disaster that sadako was but unfortunately no just like many others before him.
i think it's because dredge is an m1 killer with too many things going against him
the locks , the weak antiloop , again "being an m1 killer" , the map dependency
he really could use some tweaks to make him more appealing as do the two killers previous to him.
bhvr can't just keep designing killers and forgetting about them instantly.
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Incredibly boring killer with an incredibly boring set of powers. Dredge is just a slightly better sadako. 0/10.
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Nvm i think giving the survivors the ability to lock lockers makes him the only -2/10 for me. Incredibly badly designed killer. Yuck
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Dredge might be my favorite killer to play as at the moment. I like Stealth and I like teleporting and it’s got both. 🙂 I hardly even use his Remnant and still do pretty well with him just from the stealth and teleportation alone. I haven’t had a ritual for him in a while though so I haven’t played him recently (I normally play a match or two on whatever killer I have a ritual for that night.)
Statistically on Nightlight Dredge is running a little above average kill rate and just a little below average pick rate. I think typically killers with Undetectability in their kit do well against average survivors but are weaker at higher MMR where the survivors have excellent observational skills so are harder to ambush. So my guess is he’s probably above average against most players but below average among higher MMR players.
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Dredge can break locks and equip add-ons that reduce the time wasted on locked lockers. In other words, Dredge can possibly counter its counter. That is an example of good design. It is more balanced than most killers.
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i saved my shards for it, kind of indifferent to dredge tbh. feels veeeeery map dependent and any "stealth" is completely wrecked by how goddamn noisy it is and the visual effects on lockers. nightfall kind of helps but doesn't last long enough and takes too long to gain to have any meaningful value most of the time. the antiloop doesn't do a whole lot for me either, even if i managed to get good value from it most of the time it's just not very fun to use imo. the visual design and concept is cool but i feel like they just fumbled the execution. same with sadako and most killers after blight's release.
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He's just an M1 killer at the end of the day, and a hit and run one at that, neither of which are very good. He has built-in counters too like destroying the remnant or locking lockers, things that are completely unnecessary for the survivors to have. Plus, like Hag, his teleport is inconsistent in how unresponsive it can be. You tp to a locker instantly as someone is running past, but instead of instantly being able to hit them, you have to go through the whole "coming out of the locker" animation, and only then does it let you attack, which at places like shack literally lets the survivor get to safety for free.
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honestly Demogorgon is a weak killer... regarding the dredge he's fun but extremely weak since the counter is to just hold w+shift to another loop when he place the remenant... it can barely works only when you zone someone in a corner
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He is a "jack of all trades, master of none" killer. He has good map presence, but your teleport can be stalled super easily. You have anti-loop, but like most other anti-loop killers, just leave the tile and you waste the killers time. Nightfall is pretty neat, but it works both for and against you sometimes. He does a lot of decent things, just nothing well enough for people to pick them.
I love the Dredge's design, it's really cool, but playing him is not enjoyable enough for most people and killer visual design only does so much. To me though, he is kind of a "Ill play a few matches every now and then" kind of killer. Running a Blindness + Nightfall build is like a guilty pleasure, it's so cruel but so fun. But I only do every now and then, and for a good reason, because it's Dredge...
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Because this is 2022, nobody is very interested by characters that mostly (or fully) are vanilla M1 killers during chase. We have more than enough of those type of killers already. Same reason why Sadako is even less used.
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Demo level is balanced? Since when?
Both Demo and Dredge are around C-B tier or so. Balanced for a killer is around A+ tier or above, since that's about where good survivors sit.
Unless you mean balanced as in in-between all the killers power levels. In which case yes, but that average is pretty weak compared to survivors.
Both killers are pretty weak. People get tired of losing just because of who they picked, cool or not.
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He is just boring imo. And he isnt really that strong either. As someone said, he is map dependent because of the locker spawns. I like the remnant which can lead to some good plays. But it can be countered. I just feel like he isnt worth playing.
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The ability to teleport to lockers doesnt need a counter in the first place. Specially not when its so situational and slow
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Sadako isn’t as efficient as he is and yet she feels more fun.
I’ve never found this killer interesting whatsoever aesthetically or otherwise. Which is sad bc he is an anniversary killer.
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I think killer should be around C-B tier if the killer is bad at using their power but should be A-tier if the killer is good at using their power. Dredge falls in category of being cookiecutter dbd killer where survivor skill matters more then killer gameplay. In other words, underwhelming killer. @FrostySeal post details dredge perfectly.
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I absolutely love Dredge and they would be my main.
Unfortunately I'm stuck on their bloodweb at level 1 where I'm forced to claim Tier 3 Make Your Choice if I want to progress, and Make Your Choice is an outlier perk that is better at lower tiers.
I absolutely decimate survivors with my 40s MYC build.
Since when are killers rated based on using their power badly? If a killer played well is A tier, then the killer is A tier.
Is Nurse F tier because I suck at her?
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When he was new and no one knew how to counter him, Dredge was very popular. But now more people know how he actually works and how he can be countered and delayed which makes him less satisfying to play.
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nurse is not S-tier for everyone. if your bad at nurse, she's F-tier in your tier-list. it does not mean she is a bad character, but for you specifically, you. it is bad character. that is why whenever tier list are shown, its hard to say if the tier they have for the killer is based off their gameplay or popular opinion.
a general tier list is collection of many people's opinions on a character. often the general opinion tends to follow something called appeal to authority. it means that there is a certain player that does super well with the character, so even if the player voting does not do well with that character, people vote for that character's strength being strong because another player express the full strength of that character. nobody has showcase anything impressive with Dredge so he just falls under another mediocre stealth killer that downs you eventually but loses to strong teams(2-3-4 escape are common). limit skill-cap with limit reward.
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Factor in everything already said in this thread with the fact that Dredge is an accessibility nightmare. The VFX on Nightfall, the lack of colour except directly in front of you, the SFX, the clunky animations and weird camera height that doesn't mesh with the awful FOV whatsoever- it's just not a fun experience for anyone who doesn't have the perfect combination of setup and eyesight and so people just don't play it.
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He's boring. I really wanted to play as him but he's just so lackluster.
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Because it's kind of weak.
Teleport is slow and survivors have so many locks at their disposal - locks ruin any element of suprise you may get.
Remnant is mind-game-able
Nightfall is not on-demand. It charges inconsistently. That's what makes it hard to use.
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Teleport-around-map Killers never had a big audience, Hag, Demogorgon, current Freddy and Sadako dont have many players either, Dredge is just a variation of a formula people dont really play much.
Forever Freddy did had a lot of players but mainly because how busted and easy to play he was, once it was toned down people jumped ship.
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Seeing as we have a large and diverse killer roster already, I'd say it's mainly due to the investment of time and currency into him.
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They are put into tiers assuming you're good at using their power. If you're good at Dredge he's C-B. If not he's probably D or F.
But yeah I agree with what both of you said. His power is underwhelming and survivors skill matters more.
I was just saying he's too weak and that's why you don't see him more. People just get tired of being limited to only being able to beat subpar teams because their character handicaps them. If you want a killer to be popular long term they need to at least be A tier.
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Up there with Legion for consistent 30K+ BP games but that's about all.
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Demogorgon is one of the best Killers in the game if you use the Leprose Lichen add-on. That allows you to see every Survivor on the map whenever you travel through portals. With only a 5 second cooldown you basically see all Survivors the entire game and you are able to warp around the map in seconds. Combine that with Red Moss (Undetectable when emerging) and a bunch of gen regression perks, and you have a very high pressure and deadly Killer. However, without the LL add-on, he drops to mediocre at best.
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I see a good amount of dredges. as for why people dont play him, ill give you a few reasons:
- hes a mid tier-y killer. and as you know, people wont play anything that doesnt give them a 4k every game
- high map dependency. as biased as i am towards dredge, i have to admit on some maps you can practically never use your power. id argue sadako is better if the map is a macmillain map
- nightfall can easily be useless. for an ability you only get 3-4 times per game, id expect it to be more valuable. the main drawback is that its largely useless in chase and is pretty much wasted while youre carrying someone. not saying the ability is bad, but you need some REALLY impeccable timing to get any realistic value out of it
- not-so-good perks. as you know perks are a big factor whether people want to buy a killer or not. darkness revealed and dissolution are really fun gimmicky perks but arent that good.
- somewhat addon reliant. i feel like im going at snail speed when coming out of a locked locker without the calendar addon
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wdym his addons are nuts
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His power feels super clunky for me. The anti-loop is clunky at best and half the time survivors can just chain to another tile. Locker movement outside of Nightfall is painfully slow and the locks on lockers add another layer of clunk.
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I adore playing him on certain maps, absolutely despise him on others. Its not a gamble I feel like taking when I could play a killer I consistently find fun and dont feet the need to constantly burn map offerings on.
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with that last part you're very right, its like when The Wraith had loud footsteps *thump thump thump* and you immediately knew to run away.
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He's so much fun honestly
but hes also just a Jack of all Trades.
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I play him/it quite often. Imo He is fun to play and to play against. On larger maps his teleporation when Not in nightfall feels a Bit slow though
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2 red addons for making him barely viable... not to mention that you must waste time by positioning portals in order to get said pressure... time that you don't have (and survivors can still destroy your portals)
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cute appearance
Being locked in a locker is stressful.
By the time he exerts his strength, the ritual is over.
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I don't like how he looks like.
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I don't like his look, sry. I know a lot liking this thing, but.. nope.
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I don't think that's true at all. His iri's are nice and good for information, but one of them makes you come out of portals slower meaning it takes longer to teleport. Demo is really not a bad killer at all, but he is very punishable. He's probably one of the most well balanced killers we've seen in this game.
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Dredge can be really dominant but it's map dependent and requires so much work and I imagine a lot of people would rather play an easier killer. Not to mention playing without haddie's calendar which speeds up getting out of locked lockers can make it a frustrating experience even if you're doing well.
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I agree with you. The perception here seems to be that killers with clear counters are ‘bad’ but killers that are very tough to counter (I.e. Nurse, Blight, Spirit) are good presumably because they’re more likely assure victory for the killer player. Demo is not a mediocre killer; it is an above average killer (B-A tier). Dredge is maybe slightly below Demo but is also decent (B-A tier).
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Personally, he doesn't have a satisfying feel except when you pull people into lockers which is rare. Compare this to Wesker who grabs survivors and zooms them into walls, feels amazing.
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It comes down to players want to win... not learn
The easier it is to win the more players will use it
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He is boring and no license killer. Wesker is popular and fun to play. Sadako should get more picks too, just because she is from Ringu.
Same goes for Pig. Only Freddy is the special think, because he is too weak and has only 1 playstyle, which isnt that fun AND he is the wrong one.
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