Highest Win-Streaks on Each Killer

Pulsar
Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777
edited July 2023 in General Discussions

Thought I'd do something different today. I was in a thread a couple days ago and someone told me that Killers couldn't put together high winstreaks. I showed them a couple, but they called me a liar, essentially.

So I went looking for the longest streaks and then today, when I saw this handy-dandy spreadsheet on Reddit by u/KitchenThroat5939, I decided to post it here and see what you all think of it. Any surprises?


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  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    I also think that'd be interesting.

    I think Hens' team still has the longest streak, which I think was over 200 games, but I might be wrong.

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 8,998

    Pro vengeance carrying clown lol

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777
  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    I think it's more surprising what Killers are near the top. Clown, Onryo, Pig? Very surprising.

  • EvilSerje
    EvilSerje Member Posts: 1,070

    I think "weak" killers are just very nische and some very very dedicated people find way how to utilize their power to the maximum. Vivid example: OnePumpWillie.

    For clown one guy (Arinad) even wrote huge guide. Best perk: Zaichin Tactics, who would have thought.

    It's just Blight/Nurse like, learn how to drive and you are top-tier speedracer. Others requre meticulous research.

  • Green_Sliche
    Green_Sliche Member Posts: 642

    So bunch of pros and people who play this game like for living have dominated some random pubs. Cool. What this sheet is supposed to demonstrate here? Because right now, I doubt anyone expected a different outcome when such players are matched with opponents via official MM.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    Perhaps.


    Obviously, Onryo has the really boring Condemned strat but I didn't think Clown had the tools to manage that.

  • GensByDaylight
    GensByDaylight Member Posts: 528

    TWINS??? WITH 879 WINS IN A ROW?????

    I can't believe that anyone plays them, but yet, I am pleased to see that someone is dedicated to them.

  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,347
    edited July 2023

    ProVengeance has a 400 game win streak going on Clown.

    As I've said before, there is essentially no matchmaking happening for top killers. I haven't lost a game on Freddy in over a month.

    Edit: missed Clown on my first read of the chart. The streak was already listed.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    Twins at least has the tools to do that, especially after the CoH and self-healing nerfs.


    879 is incredibly impressive though.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    Yeah, that's sort of what's killing my desire to play atm.


    How can I justify playing when I'm just gonna be ruining other people's experiences through no fault of their own?

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777
  • ReikoMori
    ReikoMori Member Posts: 3,333

    I think people put too much value on "winstreaks" for killers.

    Win streaks have so little to do with the killer your playing versus the way you as a player understand and approach the game. There is a Blight with over 1k "wins", which is impressive purely from a numbers standpoint, but i would hazard a guess that person plays a ton more than most players they encounter. Their understanding of Blight specifically and the game in general is probably enough that it out strips what the majority of survivors at all levels can deal with. DBD's also a game where winning is a lot more susceptible to RNG than your own input on top of being subjective as heck.

    It's interesting to see people doing extremely well as it shows that with enough dedicated time investment and skill building you can do great things, but that's about it.

  • NoOneKnowsNova
    NoOneKnowsNova Member Posts: 2,785

    Part of me wants to stream just to see how far I can go with Hillbilly/Wesker...would be fun to try.

    As for suprises on this list, BBQ only twins with 879 wins is probably the most surprising and impressive one here...I really don't know how someone does that. 409 as Onryo is also quite impressive. The rest however I can understand.

  • Trollinmon
    Trollinmon Member Posts: 691

    More of 4 slowdown and pinky finger doing the carrying. Sadly can't even show the game where he lost since he dropped about 50 slurs in the match.

  • Murgleïs
    Murgleïs Member Posts: 1,086

    It’s party game. The community doesn’t care about these stats of players having no real job outside streaming 10 hours a day playing DBD killer or survivor.

    It’s so sad you still don’t get it Pulsar. I had a friend who was like that playing survivor, watching "comp" (Eternal) and going for escape streaks until he got hooked on a REAL competitive game (League of Legends) and finally understood :

    DBD is :

    • RNG
    • Stupid strats : gen rushing, tunneling
    • Unbalanced mess
    • Tons of bugs, spaghetti code

    This game should aim for fun and that’s it. Like playing The Sims. So yes, these stats are meaningless, especially when players are NOT having fun doesn’t matter which role. Yes, that includes survivors.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 6,995

    I saw that match. The players didn't even do anything wrong. He was just very angry he lost.

  • Trollinmon
    Trollinmon Member Posts: 691

    Pretty sure they didn't even hit gens hard either and were just going for flashlight saves.

  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,347

    Well yeah, he's not actually good if we go by competitive standards. Absolute pub stomper and gets roasted every time he faces a genuinely good squad. His streaks, like most, are indicative of a complete joke of a matchmaking system

  • RaSavage42
    RaSavage42 Member Posts: 5,549

    So we have a win streak chart... so how about a loss streak chart or a total losses chart

  • MrPenguin
    MrPenguin Member Posts: 2,426
    edited July 2023

    I mean if they're delusional yeah no duh that's a given lol. Same with delusional survivor players who think the game doesn't favor them in general the heavy majority of the time (if they're good).

    In the general balance though? Not really. Win streaks are not indicative of balance, especially when you're trying to generalize something like "killer" where you have Trapper, and then you have Nurse with everything in-between.

    This original post and thread are also ignoring and leaving out the multiple survivor win streaks that have also been in the hundreds as well. Which to me reeks of survivor bias but that's just my opinion.

    People can tank their MMR, get lucky, ect. Win streaks are interesting little trivia but not much more.

    The claim of "killers can't get win streaks" was disproven, but that was a silly statement to begin with. The worst character in most game have win streaks, that doesn't make the character not weak or suffering from other issues.

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  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    I apologize for finding the game fun in a different way than you do? I find fun in being challenged and being competitive. If you don't, that's fine.


    I just thought these stats were interesting.

  • TheSubstitute
    TheSubstitute Member Posts: 2,480
    edited July 2023

    It's not a surprise to me at all with how MMR works and the softcap. If, in chess, a 2400 MMR player squares off against a 1600 MMR player the 2400 MMR player has about a 99.6% chance to win. If I'm extrapolating data from WoW MMR to get a vague idea about how many players at each MMR in DbD (since they're both video games with MMR and a large population) roughly 30% of DbD could be at 1600 MMR but less than 1% is at 2400.

    Since there are so many more players at the beginning of the soft cap than the top any Killer, if high enough in MMR, could get a good kill streak going even if their mechanics give them a handicap. It's similar to the reason I've been saying that camping and tunneling is not necessary to get a good percentage of wins; in pub games the MMR system is just too loose to force the most effective tactics to be a necessity. A player can handicap their chances and still win a lot once they're experienced just because of how matching works. It's easier for Killers to take advantage of MMR mismatches as well since they only rely on themselves.

    I don't think it's useful for balancing though as what would be more important for keeping newer and intermediate players is how do the Killers stack up at comparative skill levels. Like with the recently deceased VHS game Monsters could do well with a lot of experience but who's going to sit through a few dozen losses in a row just so they might be able to do well in the future?

    But, yeah, I'm not surprised. The very top ranges of MMR (eg 2700+) probably would have to go through about 1000 games or so before they even found one game that could be a challenge (and they'd still have a chance to win that as well).

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    Pretty sure the only recent streak that comes to mind with Survivors is Hens' streak, which I think was over 200 games like I said in my first reply.


    People just aren't going for Survivor streaks because they aren't generally feasible outside of a 4-man.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    Generally speaking, the lower you go in MMR, the better Killer is. That may not be true anymore, but that's how it's always been.


    I do agree that if you took the Clown at high MMR and put him up against people equal to his skill, he'd have a rough go of it, for sure.


    But I think that if weak Killers can do reasonably alright at the top of the ladder, that's a good sign that the game isn't Survivor-sided. Of course, that doesn't account for ######### matchmaking putting players up against people they have zero business playing against.

  • MrPenguin
    MrPenguin Member Posts: 2,426
    edited July 2023

    By OP I meant original post, I probably could have made that more clear my mistake.

    The information was not researched or included. To me that would be an obvious inclusion to mitigate the community tribalism us-vs-them as much as you can.

    4 man is still "survivor" the same way Nurse is still "killer". If you're going to include nurse for a general "killer" statement/data then you need to include 4 man SWF in a general "survivor" statement/data to represent the high end on both sides.

    200 is better than most of the killer cast streaks as well. Win streaks don't point to balance but if they did this would still put killers on the losing side.

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  • TheSubstitute
    TheSubstitute Member Posts: 2,480
    edited July 2023

    The game's definitely not Survivor sided. I 100% agree with that. The match making, in my opinion, kind of favours Killers since Killers don't have teammates bringing down their efficiency once they're past the soft cap. Just as a side note, I don't think it's sided mechanically to either group in general. A specific scenario can be sided to one or the other but with all the RNG, match compositions, etc there are too many variables for the game to favour one side or the other regularly in its current state.

  • Xernoton
    Xernoton Member Posts: 5,820
    edited July 2023

    I am a little surprised that that Billy is only at 107. I know that this killer is beyond punishing even for the smallest imperfections but compared to some of the other killers I'm surprised he is not higher. Still impressive, of course.

    Also, I can't believe someone actually plays Twins. Are you sure that isn't just wishful thinking?

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  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    I mean, if they're gonna play Twins they might as well be TWINS, you know?

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,777

    I did not personally comprise this list.


    I do not know of any other Survivor streaks besides Hens', which they lost at around 200.


    That still puts them below Killers like Onryo and Clown.


    I merely pointed out that people don't have much interest in doing Survivor streaks because Solo, Duo and Trio streaks aren't really possible. You need to have four competent and skilled players in order to have a chance.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 4,354

    Solo survive streak might be possible with excessively selfish play, using things like Sole Survivor. I'd still like to see those solo, duo and trio streaks, and if none of them get past, say, four or five matches, that'll be pretty interesting to know by itself.

  • MrPenguin
    MrPenguin Member Posts: 2,426
    edited July 2023

    "That still puts them below Killers like Onryo and Clown."

    Exactly, and meanwhile killers like Executioner and Huntress are under all 3 of those. I might think PH is overrated, but being worse than Onryo and Clown? Absolutely not and Huntress is also a pretty solid killer.

    I agree that you need a group to at least be reasonable to try, but that's more because other survivors aren't the best or will leave the match purposefully after not getting their way. Not because of power level. 4 good solos who are actually trying are still better than most of the roster in my experience. I'd say anything mid-low A tier and below depending on how good we're talking.

    I'm not an amazing survivor imo, but most of the roster is pretty simple to get around most of the time for me. Whether I'm solo or not.


    I just don't think people should be using win streaks to try and say anything about power level/balance. I could tank my MMR and win a ton of matches with Ghostface. That doesn't make him good.

    Like I said, its interesting trivia but that's all.

  • Juicyman
    Juicyman Member Posts: 140

    The problem with using the Hens streak as a measurement is that it had just way too many restrictions to say "only 200" when the Killer lists typically bring their A-game. No game altering offerings (maps), can only use what items they find in chests (usually garbage, and lost on death anyway), and no more than two of the same perk between the sixteen. It's much easier to tip the scales in your favour as a killer since it's only one loadout which is why there are some crazy numbers, but if all four of them brought BNP? Borgo/Garden offerings? Green Medkits? Whatever perks were mental at the time? It's not uncommon for that nightmare scenario to happen.

  • ohheyitsbobcat
    ohheyitsbobcat Member Posts: 1,744

    Winstreaks are fun to see when they get to those stupidly big numbers since you can see the dedication someone has put into it and it makes you want to root for them one way or another.

    Personally, I'd love to see someone do a "pro" team only winstreak. Seeing someone with even like a 50 winstreak against the high-end tournament comp teams would be more impressive to me then the 1000 wins on Blight, which for the record is very impressive.

  • KingFieldShipper
    KingFieldShipper Member Posts: 612

    I've read this post a few times, but I still don't understand what the issue is with using it as an example, and I am trying so hard to not misread what you typed as you trying to imply large winstreaks are the norm for survivors so therefore the 200 means nothing, or reading it as they weren't bringing their a game during the streak - both of which I think is.. weird things to say?

    Anyways.. if we discount their streak because there were restrictions, do we discount the twins winstreak listed on the graph above because they only used bbq and no addons? Or any of otz's winstreaks because he restricts his addons/perks? Or knightlights (current? dunno if it's over) streak on nurse because he isn't using perks or addons?

  • bobateo
    bobateo Member Posts: 368

    I watched Aryun try to do a solo win streak a few times. I don't he broke 50 and most often it ended in the 20s iirc. I can't remember what builds he used tho. I know I've watched a few others attempt it, but don't remember much about them. I don't think the majority to or beyond 20.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,215

    You cannot really compare Survivor Escape Streaks with Killer Streaks.

    The really big Survivor Escape Streaks are one single Survivor escaping all the time while playing in a 4 man SWF where the other 3 people will die for that one person getting out. On Top of that, the biggest streaks like this were done before the Key and Hatch-changes.

  • BlightedDolphin
    BlightedDolphin Member Posts: 1,859

    This is interesting.

    Maybe I’ll start playing Deathslinger again and try to beat 35 wins…

  • Green_Sliche
    Green_Sliche Member Posts: 642

    Killer being strong or weak is purely subjective opinion. For some even perkless trapper can be considered as strong where others may find top addon nurse / blight weak for whatever reasons.

    The term skill issue implies that there's such thing as skill standard. Last time I checked such thing does not exist.

  • Green_Sliche
    Green_Sliche Member Posts: 642

    There's an RNG factor when it comes to SWF. It's 50 50 your opponent SWF is vaping duds laughing their butts off while playing the game in the background or 4 wannabe SWAT boys with map charts and screenshares turned on for ''full co-op'' experience. Next time you hear people complain they keep getting SWFs, at least consider the possibility of those words being true just a bit.

  • JustAnotherNewbie
    JustAnotherNewbie Member Posts: 1,941

    How is it 50-50? The game doesn't exclusively match you vs a 4-man SWF, unless you can tick a box somewhere that only matches yoy with those. There's a bigger chance you get two 2-man SWFs on as a killer and even when you get 4-man wannabe SWATS doesn't mean they are good players.


    The number of 4-man SWFs who are also good players is not as high as all other combinations of survivors.