Highest Win-Streaks on Each Killer

Loss farm off stream?

Unless they leave their stream running with the game up throughout the entire streak, we have no way to know if they aren't farming losses off stream so when they "resume" their supposed streak their MMR has been massively lowered.

Even then you can play the menu footage on loop to game that system.

You don't even have to actively play the game, just boot up a match and go afk. You can even set it up to do it automatically while you sleep or go about your day.

At best we have their "word" but that's not saying much. I'd like to believe they're all legit but there's been many cases across the gaming scene where supposed records where manipulated in some way to be easier/longer than would be otherwise. I don't see why DBD would be an exception.

Like I said, you don't need to even be on the game so how much they already played the game doesn't really matter.

You're also assuming complete reset, they could always just drop their MMR some, not all the way, which would still make an impact.

Just saying its possible and not unheard of for people to fake records for clout.

Devotion could possibly be a clue, but afaik no one checked that and that also means they were not playing off stream at all.

Someone could bring up devotion and they could just say "oh yeah I played a few matches off stream on a different killer, so the streak still stands".

Again, we just have no way to know for sure. Now I'm sure there's legit ones in there, but there could also be fakes.

Well, that's all that was being said really, that its a consideration and we don't know.

I think believing all of them are 100% legit is a little naïve. But no one would truly know except the streak holder, who won't out themselves for obvious reasons.

Well no I didn't say that.

We just also can't assume every streak is legit. Reasonable doubt exist. If something looks odd, like Clown for example, then its reasonable to suspect somethings off unless somehow proven otherwise.

Maybe they were manipulating MMR, maybe they were running pinky finger every single match match, maybe both. Either one kinda voids the results to a degree, if not completely, when talking about the general player base and killer.

Just another reason why I don't think we should be taking win streaks for anything other than, as you put it, a passing mention. Cool trivia with no bearing on power of the overall role or balance.

Killers aren't stronger than perceived just because of win streaks as some have asserted in the thread. Maybe they are, but win streaks are not good proof at all.

The problem with Pinky Finger is that it completely changes Clown’s playstyle.

It’s still a valid streak, but I don’t really find it impressive or a Clown streak but rather a Pinky Finger streak.

And we can’t really draw any conclusions about MMR from this streak because even if it were working, most high MMR teams would still lose to Pinky Finger + Gin Bottle.

I tagged you both because I think this reply covers both comments because I think he said kind of similar things.

For the record, I don't think that streaks are a true indication of balance, general representation of public matches as a whole, or killer strength. I do think streaks can signal inbalance - which factor in add-ons. But also I didn't watch the clown streak, so I don't even know if the dude used pinky finger or not every match, so I don't even know if that's really even the case. I don't think it's that balanced of an addon as compared to the rest of his kit/addons, and much like tombstone/tombstone piece I think the existence of it actively hinders the possibility for either killer to get buffs that they need.

I do have an objection specifically with 'streak is a streak even if you manipulate MMR" though - because I wouldn't consider it a streak is, say, the guy deranked for hours on that killer offline. That's essentially what the guy who did the demo streak did, and when question about it he said "on steam streak". Which I think by definition is not a true streak at all.

But going back to MMR - I think MMR should have two jobs specifically: actually have a balance match, meaning you're put up of against opponents who are going to be either at your skill level or equipped to handle you (which would give a more normalized playing field and preventing someone from going on streaks like this), and to separate brand new players from everyone else (which, in general, it does, to a certain point). I actually think that MMR system itself is somewhat decent, and I understand their reasoning for kills/escapes being skill by proxy..... but it's pretty well known at this point that the cap is way too low and also that the system just throws the entire thing out to prioritize queue times. Which I also understand why they did, because no one should be waiting for hours for match, but at the cost of MMR not working properly, or as good as it can be.

I really do think that in the cases of these streaks right here from the op are entirely caused due to matchmaking issues. I do feel like you are sort of downplaying that, busted add-ons in the equation or not. There's no doubt in my mind. mmr malfunctioning is something I see anecdotally. I have close to 3,000 hours now in this game, 2000 of them are on killer, and I'm constantly matched with survivors who have less than 500 hours in the game that get absolutely decimated, and it's getting to the point where I don't even find the game fun to play that much anymore. But that's a rant for another day.

Also, edit, because I hit submit like a dummy immediately.

On MMR I agree completely, the cap is way too low. I believe I saw a statistic that said like 55% of the player base is at or above the soft cap and are all being matched together. That's way too much.

I'm sure the MMR issues like the soft cap definitely played a part.

You could still tank your MMR then start the streak and it would still count as manipulation imo. Since you'd be inflating what you would get otherwise. You could also use something to change you MMR that's not losing a match, like a certain MMR reset exploit.

My main point was that we have no way to know if they did it off stream or not unless they admit to it, like that one demo guy did. Whose to say others didn't do it too and just didn't speak up. It's not exactly about what we consider a fair streak or not, it's about not even knowing if those parameters got broken to begin with. So to us it would still be a streak even though it's really not.

In case its not 100% clear, I agree that that's not a "real" streak, just that we wouldn't know if that's happening. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

On the whole add-on thing, I was commenting on the arguments being made by others that a normal average killer is way stronger than they say because of win streaks before you jumped in/replied, and that's where using the" busted add-ons every match" came into the picture as that's not the norm. So if you believe it's not indicative of the general player base then that should be put to rest as we both agree on that point, and like I said before it can be evidence of a particular add-on being too strong so on that we also agree as far as I can see.

You are also not experiencing comp killer in pubs.

I had a stroke reading this