Heal boon Is miserable.
self-care 45 seconds,
Boon totem: 20 seconds look for the totem, 15 seconds turn on the totem, 35 seconds wait for the companion who notices you (maybe) and comes to you, 10 seconds of healing. 80 seconds ... bond: look for a survivor to heal you for 20 seconds, heal 15 seconds = 35 seconds... in reality, every time I turned on the totem no one came to heal me and I never used it again... It need a buff, which you can heal yourself at least 40% (self-healing is 35%) or you can see the aura of the nearest Survivor for to meet at the end of the aura of the totem and for understand if anyone Is coming for me or not.
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I think that the last CoH nerf was too much.
But I understand why it happened.
The only change I would add into it is making it more silent. It's too loud.
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They killed this perk as they remove the self heal from it. It will be useless as long as that is missing.
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Injuring survivors is supposed to be impactful, and not something they can undo fast with basically no resources, like the old CoH. The new CoH is definitely more situational, but it can still be useful.
You could try bringing a medkit or Inner Strength if you want more consistent or faster heals. Or if you want something similar to old CoH, maybe the new perk Strength in Shadows. It's relatively fast heals without using up an item, you just need to be on a specific part of the map.
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Well it's a perk that benefits the entire team IF they use it like they should, bhvr can't do anything against your mates ignorering the totem. The selfcare-part shouldn't ever come back because it was just way to broken to have survivors that heal themself constantly. It just took away any preassure you'd get by injuring people without downing them.
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Circle is in a good spot. It allows for super fast resets. Just don't put it in areas where the killer frequents.
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Well firstly, those numbers for getting use out of CoH you gave are extremely exaggerated. It would be significantly less than that.
Secondly, comparing those numbers to self care isn’t really accurate. This is because CoH is “one” perk for the entire team and self care would require every single person to run it, aka “four” perk slots. So any boon will “always” have less single person value since it’s for “everyone”.
A final note. The perk is still extremely good. Many swf groups will run it, it’s not uncommon. Now if you want to argue it should be changed to be better for solos and not as good for swf I could see that being a fair argument, but just buffs? No, it would be too strong on swf. Rework? Sure.
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i rather my team runs like 2 botany knowledge then run's COH. It is funny how they weaken COH then release Strength from the Shadows that has infinity healing every 15 seconds…… that swf can hyper abuse.
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I agree botany is far more better than waste of time circle of garbage.
@ilmiglioree run sables perk just be wary that killers will most likely to come to the basement suspecting you have it, which is a major draw back vs self care yet an advantage, cause if they waste time to come look for you while people are doing gens your making a good distraction. But yeah circle of garbage is not worth it.
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I disagree... Boon:CoH was a busted overpowered perk, especially when Self-healing meta was at it peak. Before the nerf, every Survivor, especially soloQ survivors that have unlock this perk can bring this entire the match and boon any or a couple of totems (if multiple Survivors bring it) and gives themselves and their team the ability to Self-Care without any negative penalties and it increases by 50% plus extra if you stacking Botany Knowledge and other increases healing perks and medkits. It was very common to bring a medkit and forget healing your teammates as it was very productive for survivors to heal themselves and screw the altruism, while making sure the other Survivors invest their time in doing objectives or tank more hits from the killer.
And of course, as killer; it was very frustrating to play agaisnt any Survivor running CoH, as they can Boon as many times as they wanted and stumping the totem was a waste of their precious time and pointless. If the killer happens to identify the boon survivors, they would mostly definitely tunnel them out of the game, to effectively counter this one survivor with CoH. In fact, hit and run strategies would no longer be viable strategy for killers, as everyone can literally run to the Boon and heal up in like less than 10 seconds. It more often then not encourage killers to tunnel and camp more.
In short, the removal of the self healing attribute, and buffing the healing speed to 100% for altruistic healing, as well as the nerf to self healing with medkits, like it is currently. This is the best change and my ideally balanced Rework of CoH.
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Yes you invest a lot of time for 8s heals with a teammate an infinite amount of times. That's how a boon should work not a selfish perk you use for yourself. If you really spend that much time just run shadows + botany for faster than medkit heals in basement which is more consistent than a boon.
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Yeah even without botany shadows is strong and killers who love annoying franklins well go ahead and waste your time and hit my brown med kit out my hand cause I still have shadows incase lol. I still do not get why to this day and time people(least solo que) is still brining circle of garbage.
Franklins and lightborn needs a token treatment because its really stupid (and why behavior do not just hide survivor names and items) is silly to me.
If perks are to be a gamble and risk and award thing, why can killers see what survivors have and bring 2 perks to counter whatever.
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Boons in general are pretty worthless. We'll make it or botany knowledge are both strictly superior to CoH.
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I feel if there was a way to put the boon up faster than it is currently they'd be more worth it:
Maybe make maps double up as ways to bless faster? Thoughts?0 -
It shouldn't be taking you twenty seconds to find a totem. They tend to be near gens and a few maps have static totem spawns. Don't make setting up a boon your first objective, boon while travelling between gens. CoH is a great perk. I combine it with shadow step for relatively safe heals and it works very well.
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Injuring survivors would still be impactful even if you could heal yourself within CoH, as long as the healing speed isn't too high. They should have just nerfed the self healing speed to something like 50 or 60% and the perk would have been fine if you ask me.
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It was 50% and I agree. It was fine with 50% self heal
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Pretty sure CoH was 75% before it got nerfed. So I really believe even 60% would have been fine. 50% would be a 32 second heal, plus the boon activation time would mean 46 seconds just to heal. Arguably even a bit much.
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It was 50% self heal after some nerfs and then the final nerf is what we have now
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I still have nice memories of when it was 100%!!! it was like self care 2.0 which I read all the changes to self care and wow yeah like circle it was really gutted. Self care also use to be 100% whew.
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Yeah but to be fair it really was too strong when it was at 100%. And even after the nerfs it was arguably still too good. They should have just reduced the healing speed a bit further than remove the self healing completely in my opinion.
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Yeah I pray shadows is not touched… cause am tired of brining a worthless med kit and it just takes 1 franklins cringe perk to make that med kit(even with the 2 dressing add ons that is now rare) to get any use out of it. The med kit changes are so stupid. You get more use and faster speed for using it on people yet you get less use and less speed for using it on yourself and botany with it on yourself ggs you get 0 heals.
Not sure why botany still has that item efficiency reduction on it for. They as well keep the purple one in the game and change it to common and delete the others lol. I never bring anything but a brown one so finally all my purple ones are showing big numbers almost in 3 digits.
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Yes you are right. But it was 75% healing speed of the normal altruistic healing speed, that's why I got confused. Because it was 50% increased healing speed of the normal selfcare healing speed.
That I believe was still a bit too much, but I wish they would have just nerfed the healing speed a bit more instead of removing the self heal action completely.
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Personally found the medkit nerfs good though, they were clearly too strong before the nerfs in my opinion. Botany could lose the medkit inefficiancy though, I agree with that.
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As someone who plays both sides, I can totally see that the changes were needed, but not to this extreme extent. Here is how I would have changed healing overall.
Base-kit and general changes:
- Self-Care is now basekit. You can stitch yourself up, but at greatly reduced speed. Base self-healing speed is 33% (or 48 seconds)
- Altruistic healing is unaffected by these changes.
Perk changes:
Self-Care:
- Increases efficiency of self-healing with med-kits by 15/20/25%
- Blocks aura-reading while healing yourself or other Survivors with a Med-kit. - Situational counter-perk to Nurse's Calling
Botany Knowledge:
- Removed the efficiency de-buff on med-kits.
- Self-healing has a base speed of 50% (32 seconds)
- Altruistic healing unchanged
Boon: Circle Of Healing:
- Increases self-healing speed by 100% (with the base-kit change, you can practically heal yourself at the same speed as with the current med-kits, or just as fast as altruistic healing with Botany). - Does not stack with Med-kits or Strength in Shadows
- All healing with Med-kits is now 10/15/20% more efficient.
Strength in Shadows:
- Increases base self-healing speed to 70% when within the basement. (This has 105% speed with Botany) - No change from the current state. - Does not stack with Med-kits.
Med-Kit changes:
Camping Aid Kit (brown):
- Decreased charges back to 16
- Added a 50% self-healing speed bonus. Increases the self-healing speed to 50% (or 75% with Botany) - 32 seconds for a full heal (or 24 seconds with Botany)
- Removed the self-heal efficiency penalty.
First-Aid Kit (Yellow):
- Charges is reduced to 20
- Added a 66% self-healing speed bonus. This increases the base self-healing speed to around 55% (or 83% with Botany)
- Removed the self-heal efficiency penalty.
Emergency Med-Kit (Green):
- Charges stay at 24
- Added an 80% self-healing speed bonus. Increases the self-healing speed to around 60% (or 90% with Botany)
- Removed the self-healing efficiency penalty.
Ranger Med-Kit (Purple):
- Charges increased to 28
- Added a 100% self-healing speed bonus. Increases the self-healing speed to 66% (or 100% with Botany) - 26 seconds for a full heal, or 16 seconds with Botany
- Self-healing penalty decreased to 15%
New *Trauma-Kit (Iridescent):
- 32 charges - Capped
- 75% faster altruistic healing
- 125% self-healing speed bonus. Increases the self-healing speed to around 75% (or 112.5% with Botany) - 24 seconds for a full heal, or 14 seconds with Botany
- 20% less efficient on self-healing
- Has a built-in Styptic function, where you can press the skill-check button to consume the trauma-kit in exchange for 10 seconds of Endurance. Stacks with Syringe, and this will automatically mend your Deep Wounds if you are in this state after 16 seconds
Having an "ultimate" med-kit seems like a good idea. To make it not overpowered, this med-kit can not take charge add-ons, and it retains the self-healing debuff, in exchange for a built-in Styptic. Note: This can be negated by Streetwise and the changed Self-Care.
Also, these ideas of changes aims to re-balance healing by making perks and med-kits synergize better togther. Not in terms of healing speed, but in terms of efficiency and versatility.
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Basekit self care would definitely be interesting. And surely not too strong with the speed that you suggest.
So if I get it right, survivors would then heal themselves at 66% of the normal healing speed within CoH? I guess that could maybe have worked as well. Allthough I think 60% would be the sweet spot.
I am not sure if even a brown medkit should take 32 seconds to self heal though. That seems to slow for such an item.
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There should be no objections to having CoH allow the survivor to self care in any lit circle of healing boon as long as they brought the perk themselves.
Having 'easy access to healing' without bringing the perk yourself was the main complaint. This solves that issue without having the perk be literal dog #########.
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CoH is still a good perk, but it is SWF only perk.
You will find little to no use for this as soloQ, but that doesn't mean perk is bad.
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Basekit Self-Care would indeed be interesting, and having self-healing speed be based off of that would make it much easier to balance properly.
Yes, it could be tweaked of course. I went with 100% bonus speed since that was easy to figure out. Also, 66% is the same rate as the current med-kits have, so it would not be too imbalanced, considering that you also have to set up the boon beforehand.
Well, I kinda felt that the grades of medkits should actually matter. Granted, 50% is slow, I'll give you that. I could have messed around more with numbers until I found a better solution, but with the change to Botany, it would be a core perk to run if you were focused on running a healing build. So 75% self-healing speed would be the target.
This could also affect killers as well, and shake up the meta again. Maybe Coulrophobia would be a viable option to counter the healer. Anyways, I am just rambling, and thinking about changes to make the game less stale.
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